What great City is being symbolized in Revelation?

[LittleLambofJesus]

I think it was Rome and later the Papacy. Also "the city where our Lord was crucified" was technically Rome where the authority to do so came from even though they carried it out in Jerusalem.

Thank you for your post and vote.

That is what I have heard and I believe is what Luther taught about the Papacy.

Look at this prophecy in Ezekiel

Ezekiel 4:
1 ‘And thou, son of man, take to thee a brick, and thou hast put it before thee, and hast graven on it a city — Jerusalem,
2 and hast placed against it a siege, and builded against it a fortification, and poured out against it a mount, and placed against it camps, yea, set thou against it battering-rams round about.
3 And thou, take to thee an iron pan, and thou hast made it a wall of iron between thee and the city; and thou hast prepared thy face against it, and it hath been in a siege, yea, thou hast laid siege against it. A sign it [is] to the house of Israel.

Jerusalem was sacked in 70ad, about 40yrs after Jesus began preaching the Gospel at age 30.....
Rome was sacked in about 410ad, approx 390 yrs after Jesus began to preach
In another words, just a God allowed the Roman army to destroy Jerusalem in 70 ad, He allowed Rome to be sacked in about 410ad......
Thus freeing the Christians from both the yoke and bondage of the corrupt murderous Judean rulers and also of the Romans. Thoughts?

4 ‘And thou, lie on thy left side, and thou hast placed the iniquity of the house of Israel on it; the number of the days that thou liest on it, thou bearest their iniquity. 5 And I — I have laid on thee the years of their iniquity, the number of days, three hundred and ninety days; and thou hast borne the iniquity of the house of Israel.

6 And thou hast completed these, and hast lain on thy right side, a second time, and hast borne the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days — a day for a year —
a day for a year I have appointed to thee.
7 ‘And unto the siege of Jerusalem thou dost prepare thy face, and thine arm [is] uncovered, and thou hast prophesied concerning it.
8 And lo, I have put on thee thick bands, and thou dost not turn from side to side till thy completing the days of thy siege.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(410)

The Sack of Rome occurred on 24 August 410. The city was attacked by the Visigoths led by King Alaric. At that time, Rome was no longer the capital of the Western Roman Empire, having been replaced in that position first by Mediolanum in 286 and then by Ravenna in 402.
Nevertheless, the city of Rome retained a paramount position as "the eternal city" and a spiritual center of the Empire.
The sack was a major shock to contemporaries, friends and foes of the Empire alike.

This was the first time in almost 800 years that Rome had fallen to a foreign enemy.

The previous sack of Rome had been accomplished by the Gauls under their leader Brennus in 390 or 387/6 BC. The sacking of 410 is seen as a major landmark in the fall of the Western Roman Empire. St. Jerome, living in Bethlehem at the time, wrote that "The City which had taken the whole world was itself taken."[2]

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

According to the word of God.
What are the people called who destroy Babylon?
Which people,by name?

Do you mean the literal ancient city of Babylon, or Mystery Babylon/Jerusalem in Revelation?

 

[cfyahoo08]

Really ?

Does it matter ?

Matthew 16: 4 King James Bible

A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah

He is the eponymous central figure of the Book of Jonah, in which he is called upon by God to travel to Nineveh and warn its residents to repent of their sins or face divine wrath.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Really ?
Does it matter ?
Matthew 16: 4 King James Bible
A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonah
He is the eponymous central figure of the Book of Jonah, in which he is called upon by God to travel to Nineveh and warn its residents to repent of their sins or face divine wrath.

I have a whole study on Jonah.....

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-about-jonah.8067726/#post-72761697
What about Jonah
Jun 6, 2018

QUOTE="LittleLambofJesus, post: 72761697, member: 376868"]
I have always liked Jonah and especially since Jesus mentions him the NT.
It only has 4 chapters and it seems like he goes thru trials, much like Job and Paul did. [I can almost view it as a condensed version of Job.]
Jonah has only 48 verses in 4 chapters, [2nd only to Obadiah which has 21 verses in 1 chapter]
Old Testament Statistics: Number of Chapters and Verses in the Old Testament

There are a few similarities between Jonah, Jesus and Paul and that will be the main basis of this thread.

First let me quote some of the passages:

Jonah 1:
1 Now the word of Yahweh came to Jonah son of Amittai, saying,
2 “Arise! Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before Me

Jonah 2:10
10 And the LORD commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land

Jonah 3:
1 Then the word of Yahweh came to Jonah a second time:
2 “Arise! Go to the great city of Nineveh and proclaim the message that I will give you.”

5 And the Ninevites believed God. They proclaimed a fast and dressed in sackcloth, from the greatest of them to the least.
6 When word reached the king of Nineveh, he got up from his throne, took off his royal robe, covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

The Ninevites are mentioned 2 times in the NT, Matt and Luke, concerning the repenting of the City of Nineveh

Matt 12:41
`Men Ninevites shall be resurrecting/anasthsontai <450> (5698) in the judging with this generation, and they shall be condemning it
that they repent into the proclamation of Jonah and behold! more of Jonah here. [Luke 11:32]

Notice the similarity with Paul when the Lord chose him to go to the gentiles:

Jonah 1:
1 Now the word of Yahweh came to Jonah son of Amittai, saying,
2 “Arise! Go to the great city of Nineveh and preach against it, because its wickedness has come up before Me

Acts 9
15 “Go!” said the Lord. “This man is My chosen instrument to carry My name before the Gentiles and their kings, and before the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for My name.”

 

[shilohsfoal]

Do you mean the literal ancient city of Babylon, or Mystery Babylon/Jerusalem in Revelation?

The only city of Babylon the prophets wrote that would be destroyed.
Ancient Babylon was never destroyed.It was slowly abandoned.No one destroyed ancient Babylon.

Who does the word ofGod say would destroy those of Babylon?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The only city of Babylon the prophets wrote that would be destroyed.
Ancient Babylon was never destroyed.It was slowly abandoned.No one destroyed ancient Babylon.

Who does the word of God say would destroy those of Babylon?

Does it have to do with the Mystery Babylon/Jerusalem in Revelation?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Does it have to do with the Mystery Babylon/Jerusalem in Revelation?

Yes.
Who does God say will destroy Babylon?
Who does he single out by name as the people who are to destroy babylon?


As I said. Ancient Babylon was never destroyed by anyone.You can check your history books.So if God says a certain people will destroy babylon,there is only one babylon he could be talking about.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes.
Who does God say will destroy Babylon?
Who does he single out by name as the people who are to destroy babylon?
So God says a certain people will destroy babylon, there is only one babylon he could be talking about.

Ok, I give up.....tell me and the other members here which certain people.........

 

[fat wee robin]

Jesus said great tribulation .such that has never been,,nor ever will be.

6 million Jews who died during the holocaust would argue the tribulation they suffetd was greater than that of 70 ad.

Facts ,true ones are important for Christians ,so maybe you should look up "Divine Information .com " . Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi says, "Not even one million Jews died in the Holocaust" , in a video from Divine Information .com .

 

[shilohsfoal]

Ok, I give up.....tell me and the other members here which certain people.........

Have you checked your history books to make sure the ancient city of babylon was never destroyed by anyone?

This is who will destroy the people of Babylon.
http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/51-11.htm

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Have you checked your history books to make sure the ancient city of babylon was never destroyed by anyone?

This is who will destroy the people of Babylon
http://biblehub.com/jeremiah/51-11.htm

I don't do history books.........

 

[shilohsfoal]

Facts ,true ones are important for Christians ,so maybe you should look up "Divine Information .com " . Yosef Mizrachi says, "Not even one million Jews died in the Holocaust" , in a video from Divine Information .com .

This man claims down syndrome and
autism are punishments for sins commited in a privioous life.
Do you state that's a fact also since Joseph Mizrachi says so?

 

[shilohsfoal]

I don't do history books.........

History books can be very helpful when attempting to undderstand unfulfilled prophecy .Especially when others claim those things have been fulfilled.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This man claims down syndrome and
autism are punishments for sins commited in a privioous life.
Do you state that's a fact also since Joseph Mizrachi says so?

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[shilohsfoal]

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

Ask the person who introduced Yoseph to the discussion.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

shilohsfoal said: ↑
Jesus said great tribulation .such that has never been,,nor ever will be.

6 million Jews who died during the holocaust would argue the tribulation they suffetd was greater than that of 70 ad.

Facts ,true ones are important for Christians ,so maybe you should look up "Divine Information .com " . Rabbi Yosef Mizrachi says, "Not even one million Jews died in the Holocaust" , in a video from Divine Information .com .

Off topic....Please take that to another thread.......

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-holocaust-was-it-the-wrath-and-judgment-of-god.7943519/
The Holocaust: Was it the wrath and judgment of God?

This thread is to discuss a relatively controversial subject: whether or not the Holocaust was the wrath and judgment of God upon the Jews. The question is a controversial one. Going into Scripture, we find examples of what God will do to the Jews if they disobey his commands:........

 

[shilohsfoal]

Off topic....Please take that to another thread.......

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/the-holocaust-was-it-the-wrath-and-judgment-of-god.7943519/
The Holocaust: Was it the wrath and judgment of God?

This thread is to discuss a relatively controversial subject: whether or not the Holocaust was the wrath and judgment of God upon the Jews. The question is a controversial one. Going into Scripture, we find examples of what God will do to the Jews if they disobey his commands:........

Its your claim that 70 ad was the greatest tribulation that ever shall be.

I pointed out there are 6 million dead Jews who would argue thier tribulation was worse than that of 70 ad.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Its your claim that 70 ad was the greatest tribulation that ever shall be.

I pointed out there are 6 million dead Jews who would argue thier tribulation was worse than that of 70 ad.

Off topic.............
If you continue to post off topic on my thread, I will report you.......fair warning

What great City is being symbolized in Revelation?

 

[shilohsfoal]

Off topic.............
If you continue to post off topic on my thread, I will report you.......fair warning

It was on topic of your claims.
But I will stop posting in your threads then.
Goodbye

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It was on topic of your claims.
But I will stop posting in your threads then.
Goodbye

Perhaps you are referring to this:

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...-judgment-of-god.7943519/page-6#post-72966873

Is it any different than the holocaust that befell the Jews in 70 ad?

Mat 24:19
But woe to those that are with child, and those that give suck in those days.
Mar 13:17
But woe to those that are with child and to those that give suck in those days!
Luke 21:23
But woe to them that are with child and to them who give suck in those days, for there shall be great distress upon the land and wrath upon this people.
Daniel 12:
1 At that time Michael, the great prince who stands watch over your people, will rise up. There will be a time of distress such as never has occurred from the beginning of nations until then.
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered.
2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt.

Anyone read Josephus' acct of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

Meanwhile the horrors of famine grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen.

In the depth or this horrible extremity, a Jewess of noble family urged by the intolerable cravings of hunger, slew her infant child, and prepared it for a meal ; and had actually eaten one half thereof, when the soldiers, allured by tile smell of food, threatened her with instant death if she refused to discover it. 'Intimidated by this menace, she immediately produced the remains of her son, which petrified them with horror.
At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes..................

Revelation 9:6
In those days men will seek the death and will not find it;
they will desire to die, and the death will flee from them.