What great City is being symbolized in Revelation?

[BABerean2]

Sounds like the makings of a good thread.
Fulfilled in 70AD Jerusalem/Judea....................

"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

Acts 1:8
But ye will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you,
and ye will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


Matthew 24:28
for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures be gathered together<4863>.

Revelation 11:
8 And their corpse/s<4430> shall lie in the street<4113> of the great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their corpse/s G4430 three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their corpses G4430 to be put in a tomb<3418>

Luke 17:37
And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together<1996>.'

Revelation 18:13
“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,
and bodies<4983> and souls of men.


Revelation 19
17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered!<4863> into the Supper<1173> of the Great God.
18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

You seem to be mixing the two witnesses together with the wicked, in this post.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Sounds like the makings of a good thread.
Fulfilled in 70AD Jerusalem/Judea....................

"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

Acts 1:8
But ye will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you,
and ye will be My witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”


Matthew 24:28
for wherever the corpse<4430> may be, there shall the eagles/vultures be gathered together<4863>.

Revelation 11:
8 And their corpse/s<4430> shall lie in the street<4113> of the great City, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their corpse/s G4430 three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their corpses G4430 to be put in a tomb<3418>

Luke 17:37
And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together<1996>.'

Revelation 18:13
“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots,
and bodies<4983> and souls of men.


Revelation 19
17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered!<4863> into the Supper<1173> of the Great God.
18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

You seem to be mixing the two witnesses together with the wicked, in this post.
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Just showing members here where those particular Greek words are used in certain chapters of Revelation in relation to the 70AD Olivet Discourse.........
70AD Jerusalem/Temple is showing in Revelation 18............

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

...........................Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves. Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND...............

LLoJ..
Revelation 19:17 And I saw one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered! into the Supper of the Great God. 18 That Ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zephaniah 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people, who gloried in its impregnable strength, entirely depopulated, and levelled with the ground. And thus, also was our LORD'S prediction, that her enemies should "lay her even with the ground," and "should not leave in her one stone upon another, " (Luke xix. 44.) most strikingly and fully accomplished ! --

This fact is confirmed by Eusebius, who asserts that he himself saw the city lying in ruins ; and Josephus introduces Eleazer as exclaiming "Where is our great city, which, it was believed, GOD inhabited ? It is altogether rooted and torn up from its foundations ; and the only monument of it that remains, is the camp of its destroyers pitched amidst its reliques !"..............

Now, also, was literally fulfilled that prophecy of Micah- "Therefore shall Zion, for your sakes (i. e. for your wickedness,) be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the LORD's house as the high places of the forest." (Micah iii. 12)..............

Thus awfully complete an ever, beyond example, were the calamities which befel the Jewish nation, and especially the city of Jerusalem. With what truth, then, did our LORD declare, that there should "be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world, no, nor ever shall be !" (Matt. xxiv. 21.)

Such was the prediction : the language in which Josephus declares its fulfillment is an exact counterpart to it : "If the misfortunes," says he, " of all nations, from the beginning of the world, were compared with those which befel the Jews, they would appear far less in comparison ;" and again, "No other city ever suffered such thing's, as no other generation , from the beginning of the world, was ever more fruitful in wickedness." These were, indeed, "the days of vengeance," that all things which are written (especially by Moses, Joel, and Daniel,) might be fulfilled." Luke xxi. 22.

Nor were the calamities of this ill-fated nation even now ended ; for there were still other places to subdue ; and our LORD had thus predicted, "wheresoever the carcass is, there will the eagles be gathered together." (Matt. xxiv. 28.) After the destruction of Jerusalem seventeen hundred Jews who surrendered at Macherus were slain, and of fugitives not less than three thousand in the wood of Jardes.
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Is Jerusalem 70 ad the great City in Revelation?

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2. No
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[BABerean2]

Just showing members here where those particular Greek words are used in certain chapters of Revelation in relation to the 70AD Olivet Discourse.........

Just because the same word is being used, does not mean it applies equally to the same group of people.

Will the two witnesses be eaten by vultures?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Just because the same word is being used, does not mean it applies equally to the same group of people.

Will the two witnesses be eaten by vultures?

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I will be more than happy to discuss that on this other thread........

70AD Luke and Revelation go together like frosting on a cake........

"WHERE THE BODY is, there the EAGLES be gathered" Matt 24 Luke 17-- and Revelation

Luke uses G4983

4983 soma from 4982;
the body (as a sound whole), used in a very wide application, literally or figuratively:--bodily, body, slave
G4983 σῶμα (sōma), occurs 146 times in 122 verses

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Luke 17
34 ‘I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left.’
37 And they answering say to him, 'Where, sir?'
and He saith to them, 'Where the body<4983> is, there will the eagles/vultures<105> be gathered together<1996>.'

Revelation 18:13
“and cinnamon and incense, fragrant oil and frankincense, wine and oil, fine flour and wheat, cattle and sheep, horses and chariots, and bodies<4983> and souls of men.

Revelation 19
17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven, "hither! be ye being gathered!<4863> into the Supper of the Great God.
18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]

 

[Contenders Edge]

The source is found below.

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

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It is also that spiritual Sodom and Egypt into whom the fear of God enters after a series of events takes place. No such thing happens in Babylon.

 

[Revealing Times]

This "great city" is not literal. It is referring to symbolically, "Babylon the Great"-the "harlot." (Rev. 17:5, 15) This city is also so compared symbolically to the "woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast"-Rev. 17:3.

What symbolic entity could have a "kingdom over the kings of the earth"? (Rev. 17:18) It certainly is not human. Such "city," "woman," "harlot," or "Babylon the Great" is nothing other than the World Empire of False Religion.

Which is what I have told them umpteen times. The Harlot = All False Religion of ALL TIME. And the Beast of course represents All False Governance of ALL TIME {Statue with head of Gold etc.}

The Harlot RIDES the Beast. Scarlet and Gold represents Religious Orders or Piousness in General according Wiki. And it also designates Royalty. So who is the Harlot ? False Religious Orders and who is the Beast ? False Governance or Royalty.

Rev. 18 tells them its the whole world, no one thinks God judges ONE CITY !! Babylon is a code word for ALL MANKIND who follow Satan, because they have been deceived {men are confused}. No one not confused would gather to battle against God !! Who dumb would you have to be ?

 

[BABerean2]

It is also that spiritual Sodom and Egypt into whom the fear of God enters after a series of events takes place. No such thing happens in Babylon.

Go ahead and show us that series of events from the Book of Revelation.

Revelation 11:8 occurs shortly before the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The Book of Revelation is not in chronological order.

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[HopeInJesusOnly]

there shall be two men on one couch[/QUOTE]

35 two women shall be grinding

What are you quoting here??? Two men on a couch and two women grinding?

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

34 ‘I say to you, In that night, there shall be two men on one couch, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
35 two women shall be grinding at the same place together, the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left;
36 two men shall be in the field, the one shall be taken, and the other left.’

What are you quoting here??? Two woman grinding? Further up (34) two men on a couch???

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Luke 17:34 there shall be two men on one couch
35 two women shall be grinding

What are you quoting here??? Two men on a couch and two women grinding?

Luke 17..............

Luke 17:34 Commentaries: biblehub

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)
Meyer's NT Commentary

Luke 17:34-https://biblehub.com/commentaries/luke/17-34.htm35. But the decision at the Parousia, what a separation it will be!—a separation of those who are in the temporal life united in a perfectly common position. This is symbolically represented in two examples. Comp., moreover, on Matthew 24:40 f.

ταύτῃ τῇ νυκτί] which Bengel, in opposition to the context, explains: in this present night, is neither to be interpreted in tempore illo calamitoso (Kuinoel, who says that the night is imago miseriae; Micah 3:6; comp. Grotius and Bleek), nor to be pressed to the conclusion that the Parousia is definitely ordained to take place by night (de Wette, who finds the ground for this view in the comparison of the Messiah with a thief in the night), in respect of which the following grinding at the mill as an occupation of the day-time is held as left standing inappropriately from Matthew, but the horror of the night belongs to the imagery of the concrete representation.[221] At Luke 17:35, however, there is again a departure from this feature, because a graphic touch of a different kind is added to the idea. Day and hour, even the Son knoweth not, Matthew 24:36; comp. Acts 1:7.

ἐπὶ κλίνης μιᾶς] not in general: they shall be bed-fellows (Lange), but, according to the words and the concrete representation: they shall find themselves on one bed. A warning against precipitate separation of mingled domestic relations (Lange) is altogether foreign to this passage.

[221] It is not on account of the example of the two in bed together that the night is named (Hofmann, Schriftbew. II. 2, p. 626), but conversely the idea of the night-time suggested that illustration.

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Expositor's Greek Testament

Luke 17:34-37. The final separation (Matthew 24:40-41).
Cambridge Bible for Schools and Colleges
34. two men in one bed] Not necessarily men; but human beings, e.g. man and wife. The numerals are of course masculine, because the man might be either the one ‘taken’ or the one ‘left.’

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Bengel's Gnomen

Luke 17:34. Ταύτῃ τῇ νυκτὶ, in this night [not as Engl. Vers. “in that night”]) He does not say, ἐν ἐκείνῃ τῇ ἡμέρᾳ “in that day,” comp. Luke 17:31 : Matthew 26:31 [ἐν τῇ νυκτὶ ταύτῃ, “All ye shall be offended because of Me this night”]. There are in our own day, saith He, persons who shall reach those times so widely different. Comp. the here in ch. Luke 9:27 [“There be some standing here,” etc., speaking of an event about to happen presently]. The event followed in the same generation: Matthew 24:34 [“This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”].—εἷς) [the one]. So very many MSS.: and the expression, εἷς—ὁ ἓτερος, is used just as ἑνὸς—τοῦ ἑτέρου [the one—the other], ch. Luke 16:13; and πέντε—καὶ αἱ πέντε in Matthew 25:2.[192] Presently after, in Luke 17:35, Mill has omitted to notice, that in Luke 17:35 ἡ has also been omitted before μία, and that too in the text of Stephens’ Edition.[193]

[192] “The one set of five—and the other set of five.” So Scholz reads, αἱ πέντε; but Lachm. and Tisch. omit αἱ.—E. and T.

[193] In Luke 17:34 AD read εἷς. B (judging from the silence of the collations) and Rec. Text, ὁ εἷς. In Luke 17:35 ALXΔ read μία: and so Tisch. BD and Rec. Text (Elzev.), ἡ μία: and so Lachm.—E. and T.

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Pulpit Commentary

Verses 34, 35. - I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, the other left. How taken? Not, as some scholars have supposed, taken only to perish, but taken away by the Lord in the way described by St. Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, where he paints how the faithful servant who is living when the Lord returns in glory, will be caught up in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air. The other will be left. Thus, as it has been strikingly observed, "the beings who have been most closely connected here below shall, in the twinkling of an eye, be parted for ever."

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EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

(34, 35) Two men in one bed.—See Notes on Matthew 24:40-41. The one to be “taken” is probably here, as there, the man who is rescued from destruction. Here there is a variation enough to prove independence, the “two in one bed” being prefixed to the examples given in St. Matthew as an instance of even closer companionship.

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

17:20-37 The kingdom of God was among the Jews, or rather within some of them. It was a spiritual kingdom, set up in the heart by the power of Divine grace. Observe how it had been with sinners formerly, and in what state the judgments of God, which they had been warned of, found them. Here is shown what a dreadful surprise this destruction will be to the secure and sensual. Thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. When Christ came to destroy the Jewish nation by the Roman armies, that nation was found in such a state of false security as is here spoken of. In like manner, when Jesus Christ shall come to judge the world, sinners will be found altogether regardless; for in like manner the sinners of every age go on securely in their evil ways, and remember not their latter end. But wherever the wicked are, who are marked for eternal ruin, they shall be found by the judgments of God.

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

See the notes at Matthew 24:40-41. Jamieson-Fausset-Brown Bible Commentary34. two in one bed—the prepared and unprepared mingled in closest intercourse together in the ordinary walks and fellowships of life, when the moment of severance arrives. Awful truth! realized before the destruction of Jerusalem, when the Christians found themselves forced by their Lord's directions (Lu 21:21) at once and for ever away from their old associates; but most of all when the second coming of Christ shall burst upon a heedless world.

Matthew Poole's Commentary

Ver. 34-36. See Poole on "Matthew 24:40", See Poole on "Matthew 24:41". These verses seem to respect the day of judgment, and that dreadful separation which shall be in that day between the sheep and the goats. It is true also of Christ’s day in the preaching of the gospel; but that seemeth not to be the sense of this text. They can hardly be applied to the destruction of Jerusalem; it was so universal as hardly any were there left.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

I tell you, in that night,.... Of affliction and calamity, that shall be upon the Jewish nation, and which is before called that day, Luke 17:31 and therefore is not to be understood literally of the night:
there shall be two men in one bed; this is said agreeably to the time, the night before mentioned, that being the time to be in bed, at rest and asleep; for they that sleep, sleep in the night; and still suggests the security the people of the Jews would be in, at the time of their destruction. The word "men" is not in the text, it is only, "there shall be two in one bed"; and may as well be understood of a man and his wife, since it is not so usual for two men to lie in one bed; and this the rather more strongly expresses the distinguishing providence of God in saving one, and suffering the other to be taken and lost: the words may be rendered, "there shall be two upon one couch": that is, sitting together at supper, which was also in the night season: it was the custom of the ancients to sit upon beds, or couches, at meals; and they had a bed, or couch, which held two persons only, and was called Biclinium (h): and so this likewise intimates, that the destruction of the Jews would be at a time when they were thoughtless of it, and were eating and drinking, as in the days of Noah and of Lot, Luke 17:27.

The one shall be taken; by the Roman soldiers:

and the other shall be left; being, by one providence or another preserved; which is mentioned, to show the distinction God will make in his providence, and to encourage believers to trust in it.

(h) Vid. Alstorph. de Lectis Veter. c. 15. p. 90, 91.

Geneva Study Bible

I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Luke 17..............

Luke 17:34 Commentaries: biblehub

EXEGETICAL (ORIGINAL LANGUAGES)
Meyer's NT Commentary

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Expositor's Greek Testament

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Bengel's Gnomen

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Pulpit Commentary

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EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

Barnes' Notes on the Bible

Matthew Poole's Commentary

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

Geneva Study Bible

You are a cruel person to talk to. Are you not a Christian?

You tag my posts with winner and heart and rainbow emojis as a way to mock me.

God is still on the throne.

The scripture you quoted is incorrect. Can't you see that?

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

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EXPOSITORY (ENGLISH BIBLE)
Ellicott's Commentary for English Readers
Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

You now have two men in a bed. Please review what you are posting!!!!!

 

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