What exactly is the law?

[squint]

humor is not a refute, by a deflective diversion from the frog!

You apparently think Gentiles are dogs.

So, bow wow and wag yer tail like a good little doggie

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are gentiles dogs?

bow wow

You apparently think Gentiles are dogs.

So, bow wow and wag yer tail like a good little doggie

Inquiring minds want to know!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/
We Gentiles are dogs ??

Matthew 15:22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and cried, "Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely possessed by a demon." But he (Christ) did not answer her a word. And his disciples came and begged him, saying, "Send her away, for she is crying after us." He answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." But she came and knelt before him, saying, "Lord, help me." And he answered, "It is not fair to take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs." She said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

Back in those days, you could have heard it said..

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog."
Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

It was a strong prejudice going on back in those days.. and the dividing lines were so bad that it took a vision to get Peter to see that God does not consider people from other nations as unclean or common and go to Cornelius house to tell him the good news of the gospel. It was the reason for the Jerusalem Council to be held. Paul explained that there should be no more dividing Jew and Gentile.. we are all equal in the eyes of God and we are all called to believe in Him who is our Messiah, our savior, and our hope.

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[squint]

Inquiring minds want to know!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/
We Gentiles are dogs ??

you can lead a dog to water but it won't change his name to god

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

you can lead a dog to water but it won't change his name to god

Reminds me of this post on another thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/#post62359324
We Gentiles are dogs ??

Dog is just God backwards.

GoD And DoG by Wendy J Francisco - YouTube

 

[squint]

Reminds me of this post on another thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/#post62359324
We Gentiles are dogs ??

Our dog is an allegorical god in our household. One of the kind'est people I've ever met.

s

 

[bugkiller]

the true Word is that which comes direct from the true God and Jesus, while the biblical scripture is their written word which is recorded in special terms/names completely plain only to certain elected

Blessings

OK seems the written Scripture has been thrown out as valid. What now?

bugkiller

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Reminds me of this post on another thread

http://www.christianforums.com/t7613523/#post62359324
We Gentiles are dogs ??
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Our dog is an allegorical god in our household. One of the kind'est people I've ever met.

s

I suppose that is why they are considered man's best friend

 

[bugkiller]

Would you answer that question for me? And does the law at all reflect the will of God for man?

I have answered this point many times only to be dismissed. I do not think you would hear a restatement. So what should I do?

bugkiller

 

[fhansen]

I have answered this point many times only to be dismissed. I do not think you would hear a restatement. So what should I do?

bugkiller

Point out the post or posts that describe your position most clearly.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Judge Dredd - I AM THE LAW - YouTube

 

[bugkiller]

You apparently think Gentiles are dogs.

So, bow wow and wag yer tail like a good little doggie

Frogs do not bark nor do they have tails. And BTW God called Gentiles dogs.

bugkiller

 

[squint]

Frogs do not bark nor do they have tails. And BTW God called Gentiles dogs.

bugkiller

I love to belittle Cleveland Browns fans when they loose a football game.

Say bow wow for me...jes say it. Come on. B O W W O W

 

[bugkiller]

Point out the post or posts that describe your position most clearly.

Naw it is easier to just make another statement. Have no fear it is the same one I have been making all along. This is easily and most comprehensive in 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11

bugkiller

 

[fhansen]

Naw it is easier to just make another statement. Have no fear it is the same one I have been making all along. This is easily and most comprehensive in 32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Rom 11

bugkiller

So how does the law enter in? Does it cause unbelief-or disobedience, as some translations put it in verse 32?

 

[squint]

So how does the law enter in? Does it cause unbelief-or disobedience, as some translations put it in verse 32?

Ah, I see Mr. Hansen has been paying attention to the law in relation to sin perhaps?

Maybe in Romans 7?

It is one of thee most rock solid principles in the WORLD as a present working DIVINE matter.

Paul has just a beautiful piece of inspiration there, direct from Jesus without any doubt. I would say Paul was a genius but I know where he derived his info and know he'd be the last guy to take credit for it. Being the chief of sinners and all.

s

 

[Frogster]

So how does the law enter in? Does it cause unbelief-or disobedience, as some translations put it in verse 32?

rom 11;32, the shut up all, is the same shut up of gal 3;22-23, all were shut up in sin and law, see the connection?

see my siggy...

imprisoned in sin and law, as per some translations, the law was added to increase the sin, rom 5;20, not take it away, only the cross did that.

 

[fhansen]

rom 11;32, the shut up all, is the same shut up of gal 3;22-23, all were shut up in sin and law, see the connection?

see my siggy...

imprisoned in sin and law, as per some translations, the law was added to increase the sin, rom 5;20, not take it away, only the cross did that.

So if a believer sins, do they need to even pay it any mind, to recognize it, to acknowledge any kind of requirement or obligation not to sin? Or what about those believers, referred to in scripture, that persist in serious sin, placing themselves in danger of being cut off? What's their responsibility in the matter? No need to have a consciousness of the law because the Spirit will either lead them to repentance-or not; the Spirit, rather than the Law, should chafe their consciences? OTOH, is this even a realistic scenario? Can anyone really escape consciousness of the Law anyway, and the indictment it brings against sin?

 

[Habakk]

So if a believer sins, do they need to even pay it any mind, to recognize it, to acknowledge any kind of requirement or obligation not to sin? Or what about those believers, referred to in scripture, that persist in serious sin, placing themselves in danger of being cut off? What's their responsibility in the matter? No need to have a consciousness of the law because the Spirit will either lead them to repentance-or not; the Spirit, rather than the Law, should chafe their consciences? OTOH, is this even a realistic scenario? Can anyone really escape consciousness of the Law anyway, and the indictment it brings against sin?

This is one of the big, big problems we have in the church today. Some churches are lawless and sin has its way in the lives of believers. Yes I am a firm believer in grace through faith; salvation cannot be earned through works of the flesh. BUT the spirit of lawlessness is the spirit of antichrist not true Christianity. We desperately need to get that balance back into the church because the overemphasis on grace is so problematic to true discipleship.

The Apostle Paul did warn about trusting in the law and indeed we don’t trust in law we trust in Jesus Christ. However grace presented in such a “proof text” way is not sound hermeneutics or doctrine. It is in fact an undermining of biblical grace. The sinless Son of God was incarnate in the flesh and paid a terrible price for our sin. We need to honour that sacrifice in humility of faith and not make grace cheep.

 

[squint]

This is one of the big, big problems we have in the church today. Some churches are lawless and sin has its way in the lives of believers. Yes I am a firm believer in grace through faith; salvation cannot be earned through works of the flesh. BUT the spirit of lawlessness is the spirit of antichrist not true Christianity. We desperately need to get that balance back into the church because the overemphasis on grace is so problematic to true discipleship.

The Apostle Paul did warn about trusting in the law and indeed we don’t trust in law we trust in Jesus Christ. However grace presented in such a “proof text” way is not sound hermeneutics or doctrine. It is in fact an undermining of biblical grace. The sinless Son of God was incarnate in the flesh and paid a terrible price for our sin. We need to honour that sacrifice in humility of faith and not make grace cheep.

Being aware/cognizant of the Law and the facts of it's workings is one matter.

Unfortunately it is most often mishandled as much as grace.

Most 'legalists' are aware they remain sinners while sitting in the pew on Saturday. Why they believe themselves less the sinner for doing so remains suspect. Why they pin 'sin sin' on other believers for not seeing law matters like they do also remains suspect.

There is nothing wrong with being legal. Fact is however that no one is legal from a scriptural technical standpoint.

There is nothing wrong with grace. But not everything about us is under grace.

There are exemptions.

Therein resides the Divine Tensions.

s

 

[bugkiller]

So how does the law enter in? Does it cause unbelief-or disobedience, as some translations put it in verse 32?

Got any specific Scripture you want to talk about? or have you already thrown out Romans?

bugkiller