What exactly is the law?

[squint]

the law was temporary, UNTIL the date set by the father, gal 4:2, UNTIL christ, gal, 3:19..no longer under a tutor, 3;25

until...that is a chronolgical word.

That is where your theological wheels came off the track frogster.

The Law, The Word of God became FLESH.

The Word Is PERMANENT.

got shrimp? the word says no shrimp...

You don't know your Word. That's all there is to it.

s

 

[Frogster]

That is where your theological wheels came off the track frogster.

The Law, The Word of God became FLESH.

The Word Is PERMANENT.



You don't know your Word. That's all there is to it.

s

u did not refute the text, UNTIL...UNTIL....and u say we have to keep the word, but you said you do not listen to food laws, and u don;t keep feasts either, totally confused

 

[squint]

u did not refute the text, UNTIL...UNTIL....and u say we have to keep the word, but you said you do not listen to food laws, and u don;t keep feasts either, totally confused

Was the Word eliminated OR

Did The Word become FLESH?

Your sole intent is elimination. That will never compute.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


There was AMPLIFICATION, not ELIMINATION.

s

 

[Frogster]

Was the Word eliminated OR

Did The Word become FLESH?

Your sole intent is elimination. That will never compute.

Romans 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:


There was AMPLIFICATION, not ELIMINATION.

s

abolished, 2;15 of eph, in that very flesh u posted..search it, see where it says it was abolished.

the word says no shrimp, yes or no, can i eat shrimp?

 

[squint]

abolished, 2;15 of eph, in that very flesh u posted..

the word says no shrimp, yes or no, can i eat shrimp?

Your petty notions about 'what the Law is and sez' are merely that. The food laws are vastly more interesting than just food. But when you force filter you won't see anything else by Divine Design. A man who sees the law carnally will understand the law carnally. There is nothing they can really do about it either. They are locked and loaded into a carnal mindset by Divine Decree.

This is how the chiseled Word on stone CHANGED:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Abolished you say?

Yes, exactly to LIVING WORD.

When the Old Testament said this:

Isaiah 42:21
The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Can you see that was DONE in CHRIST?

Apparently NOT.

Denial of The Word is not an option to [legitimate] Christians.

s

 

[Frogster]

Your petty notions about 'what the Law is and sez' are merely that. The food laws are vastly more interesting than just food. But when you force filter you won't see anything else by Divine Design. A man who sees the law carnally will understand the law carnally. There is nothing they can really do about it either. They are locked and loaded into a carnal mindset by Divine Decree.

This is how the chiseled Word on stone CHANGED:

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Abolished you say?

Yes, exactly to LIVING WORD.

When the Old Testament said this:

Isaiah 42:21
The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

Can you see that was DONE in CHRIST?

Apparently NOT.

Denial of The Word is not an option to [legitimate] Christians.

s

u did not cover that the law was abolished in his flesh part.

can i eat a shrimp the word says not to?

 

[Habakk]

can i eat a shrimp the word says not to?

It’s not the eating of shrimp that defiles a man, it’s what he has to say about shrimp that defiles him.

We are redeemed to eat shrimp??? The real issue is that gnat’s are now kosher but camels are definitely still off the menue.

 

[Noxot]

God is a book?

it's called the book of the law in several passages.

tell me, who wrote the law? and if the law was spoken, where did it come out of?

book of the law? was it called books or book? the book of life is one book.

I wonder if the book of life is both one book and many books. the Lord himself being the book of life, he therefore a life giving spirit, makes many books of lives. we being again born from above, now become as he is, a life giving spirit. therefore the book is multiplied and one and the same. how can there be a division between the book of the law and the book of life if they both are from God, since there is no division in God?

Rev 20:12 (YLT)
and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls--according to their works;

I see the dead are many scrolls/books but the book of life is one scroll. if one is not written in the book of life, he must be written in one of the other books. i see many books for those who are not written in the book of life, but they are all different books, not like the book of life, which is like our bible, having many books in it but it makes one book. I can not say the same for those books that are not the book of life, for unity comes from God.

maybe we are each a book and when it is compared to the book of life we shall see if the book was found to be in the book of life or if it was just a book not included inside the cannon of the book of life.

so yes, God is a book!

and maybe the small people are the ones not written in the book of life but the great ones are the people written in the book of life?

Acts 19:19-20 (YLT)
and many of those who had practised the curious arts, having brought the books together, were burning them before all; and they reckoned together the prices of them, and found it five myriads of silverlings; so powerfully was the word of God increasing and prevailing.

here we see evil books with an 's' and they are burned. and then we see the word ( not words ) of God is increasing and prevailing.

Rev 20:14-15 (YLT)
and the death and the hades were cast to the lake of the fire--this is the second death; and if any one was not found written in the scroll of the life, he was cast to the lake of the fire.

see a connection with fire?

 

[squint]

u did not cover that the law was abolished in his flesh part.

can i eat a shrimp the word says not to?

Jesus did NOT teach that about 'those Laws.'

Matthew 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man-

The only place you and I depart is on the ground of poor allegorical and parable skills from your end.

There really are other ways to see SPIRITUAL LAW if one takes of their MEAT glasses. But meat glasses are fastened to the side of the head with anti-spiritual screws that are quite problematic to remove.

s

 

[Frogster]

It’s not the eating of shrimp that defiles a man, it’s what he has to say about shrimp that defiles him.

We are redeemed to eat shrimp??? The real issue is that gnat’s are now kosher but camels are definitely still off the menue.

in other words, our bro squint keeps saying we gotta keep the word, but the word says no shrimp, so i ma trying to get a clear word from him, to see if i can violate the word, and eat shrimp.

i tried to show him, revleation was expanding, heb 1;1, god spoke in fragmentary ways, the gospel was hidden etc, but he does not seem to think it was, he says we gotta keep the words in a whole literalistic verbatim way

 

[Frogster]

Jesus did NOT teach that about 'those Laws.'

Matthew 15:11
Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man-

The only place you and I depart is on the ground of poor allegorical and parable skills from your end.

There really are other ways to see SPIRITUAL LAW if one takes of their MEAT glasses. But meat glasses are fastened to the side of the head with anti-spiritual screws that are quite problematic to remove.

s

i don't see a rebuttal to abolished in his flesh, u raised his body/flesh in your post, binding law.

please, just tell me, can i eat a shrimp, even though the word says not to?

 

[Frogster]

tell me, who wrote the law? and if the law was spoken, where did it come out of?

book of the law? was it called books or book? the book of life is one book.

all i said was, god is not a book.

 

[toLiJC]

OK seems the written Scripture has been thrown out as valid. What now?

bugkiller

depending on the context the biblical word "law" indicates two things:

- the Holy Law of (the) faith
and
- the human religion as a whole

Blessings

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It’s not the eating of shrimp that defiles a man, it’s what he has to say about shrimp that defiles him.

We are redeemed to eat shrimp??? The real issue is that gnat’s are now kosher but camels are definitely still off the menue.

So then, let's party!!

The Shrimp on the Barbie: Party Time! - YouTube

 

[squint]

i don't see a rebuttal to abolished in his flesh, u raised his body/flesh in your post, binding law.

Again if you 'bothered' to read it was the 'carnal' ordinance that was done away.

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Does that mean that's all that was contained in the carnal ordinances?

No.

Any christian nitwit can read in the N.T. that the Law also contains shadows and 'good things to come.' That's also why we don't toss it and neither did the other Apostles.

You just bought a low grade version of the matters from somebody along the trail and you think it's a great camping spot. I don't.

Eat all the shrimp you want. It was never the issue to begin with.

There is a world of allegory and there is a world of carnality.

The two will never meet.

s

 

[squint]

depending on the context the biblical word "law" indicates two things:

- the Holy Law of (the) faith
and
- the human religion as a whole

Blessings

Look, we know you are a legalist are you not?

The law about Saturday Sabbath became FLESH. The Word is no longer what it used to be.

Both the priesthood and THE LAW changed and became JESUS CHRIST.

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

What happened to the LAW?

The Old Testament became A NEW AND BETTER TESTAMENT called JESUS CHRIST, the Living Word of God.

 

[Frogster]

Again if you 'bothered' to read it was the 'carnal' ordinance that was done away.

Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

Does that mean that's all that was contained in the carnal ordinances?

No.

Any christian nitwit can read in the N.T. that the Law also contains shadows and 'good things to come.' That's also why we don't toss it and neither did the other Apostles.

You just bought a low grade version of the matters from somebody along the trail and you think it's a great camping spot. I don't.

Eat all the shrimp you want. It was never the issue to begin with.

There is a world of allegory and there is a world of carnality.

The two will never meet.

s

we are talking eph 2;15, it says THE law, the law was one, and we were dead in those trespasses, contextually.

then 2;16, and 2;18, say reconciled TO GOD...to THE FATHER, after this abolishment, clearly not about ordinances. were we dead in ordinances about foods or feats?

no way, it was THE LAW...

please rebutt contextually 2;15 of eph.

hint:

check other passages where the reconciled word is used, it is in conjunction with THE MORAL LAW, 2:16 uses the RECONCILED WORD too.

 

[squint]

we are talking eph 2;15, it says THE law, the law was one, and we were dead in those trespasses, contextually.

Why is it you just can't seem to get a grip on this matter?

The Old Testament WORD of GOD was the WORD OF CHRIST.

What happened to THE WORD frogster?

Do you know what happened to the Word? Even though it has been put in front of your eyes in big red bold letters you still don't seem able to get the picture.

???

Maybe if I make it smaller you'll see it?

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh,

yes let us all proceed to DENY The Word at the admonishment of frogster?

lol

 

[Noxot]

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh,

yes let us all proceed to DENY The Word at the admonishment of frogster?

lol

and we all saw just how well all the religious leaders understood the Word made flesh!

so much for them thinking they knew the law, the vail over their heart did not permit them to see the truth. but the prophets knew Christ and Moses knew Christ. however it was hidden from most people, and when Jesus came, it was manifest to many more people than it had been, because Jesus is awesome. the religious leaders kill the prophets and build their tombs. woe are they for they do not enter the kingdom of God and refuse to let others enter, their vain blindness make God into a lamb with a dragons voice.

wicked wolves in sheeps clothing! being blind and leading others to their pit. woe to them, for they exalted themselves as wise, though they had evil hearts and love money and they desire the respect from men rather than God. they murdered Christ because they don't know God.

if only they would have kept the passover feast, then they would have gotten rid of all their wicked leaven.

 

[squint]

and we all saw just how well all the religious leaders understood the Word made flesh!

I have to admit it is a very difficult matter to come to grips with.

so much for them thinking they knew the law, the vail over their heart did not permit them to see the truth.

They could not. God Himself blinded them and did not give them a heart to see or perceive. The very last thing on my mind is to blame any of them when it was Divinely Purposed.

If we looked at how harshly the Jews have been treated over their interactions with God they deserve every bit of MERCY we can find for them all.

And that IS Gods Sight of them as well.

but the prophets knew Christ and Moses knew Christ.

Moses died in the desert because of UNbelief.

Does that mean Moses is now or will be in the future burning alive forever or is or will be eternally dead?

Some blinded people actually see it that way. Pity on such sights.

however it was hidden from most people,

Don't you find it pretty incredible that how many ever thousands or even millions by some estimates came out of Egypt by the Direct Hand of God and yet ALL of them over the age of 20 died in the desert from UNbelief except TWO!!!

To me that is just an amazing statement of fact. Just amazing!

After seeing ALL of that they still died from UNbelief!!! Nearly every last one of them.

God in Israel was certainly no TEMPORAL favor to them when it came to DIRE JUDGMENTS.

There is much to be learned about God in Christ from ALL of those engagements. I would not be so quick to toss those lessons aside. People paid for them WITH THEIR LIVES and FOR US.

and when Jesus came, it was manifest to many more people than it had been, because Jesus is awesome. the religious leaders kill the prophets and build their tombs. woe are they for they do not enter the kingdom of God and refuse to let others enter, their vain blindness make God into a lamb with a dragons voice.

If Jesus wanted to He could strike every last one of us down just like He did with Paul and voila, EVERYONE would believe.

But He doesn't.

wicked wolves in sheeps clothing! being blind and leading others to their pit. woe to them, for they exalted themselves as wise, though they had evil hearts and love money and they desire the respect from men rather than God. they murdered Christ because they don't know God.

Jesus' Own Disciples were sent out as sheep in wolves cloth.

Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

The above statement was not about 'them and the other people' but about THEM.

if only they would have kept the passover feast, then they would have gotten rid of all their wicked leaven.

It's perhaps quite a bit more interesting.

What a lot of believers don't see about Law is that it is just as much judgment about and against these POWERS:

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

All of these 'bolded' matters exist in and with man in the flesh. It's not about 'us' and the 'other people.' Those matters we wrestle with, personally.

Nevertheless WE are CHILDREN OF GOD who are called to and rise up into BATTLE with these matters.

God has commanded LIGHT to shine from DARKNESS.

Few of us perceive where that darkness IS.

It is withIN US.

There, let the battle begin.

s