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renniks

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Not all of Christiandom would agree.
Romans 1:20, “Since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.”

Can a small child or baby understand this? Seems he or she has an excuse then.
1John 2:2
Christ provides atonement for the whole world, you must love this one, but do you not apply it to the innocent? Seems you are arguing against your self.
 
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Ones mind must be opened to Him by our Father. Ones heart must be opened to him, by Abba. It must be granted to him by God.
Then nothing matters that I do or say or believe. He either will open my heart or not. Just Calvinism applied to all instead of a few lucky chosen ones.
 
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So why are you questioning whether an atheist or an atheist rape victim is hell bound? Or children who have died so young for that matter? This isn't a "but" situation.
 
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So why are you questioning whether an atheist or an atheist rape victim is hell bound? Or children who have died so young for that matter? This isn't a "but" situation.

I have never questioneed how anyone can come to know and be in union with the One who made them: it begins in Him, and it ends in Him, the All and in all of ta panta.
 
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Then nothing matters that I do or say or believe. He either will open my heart or not. Just Calvinism applied to all instead of a few lucky chosen ones.

Our Father, the Author and Finisher, is not operating a giant Heavenly gambling casino of chance with a few lucky winners. He wins with zero chances of failure. It is all rigged {LOL} in favour of Him who loses NOTHING, not fish, not bread, and most assuredly not the broken creatures of Adams race!

From Him the all, through Him the all, in Him the all
 
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Honestly, I could not begin to read your post so I stayed with the post heading. All in scripture and in our English language means "the whole" person, place or thing.
Blessings
 
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Good grief! He is indeed the atonement for the whole world, not just for us few who have been grasped by His love & grace in this present world.

He is the hilasmos of the holos
 
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Well, then, nothing matters. Sin away! Obviously God doesn't care if he rigged it all.
 
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Well, in my experience, "All" can mean whatever you want it to mean, depending on the doctrine that you are defending at the time.
The Calvinist dictionary translates 'all' as 'the elect' and just about every place name as 'hell'. Oh and hell is of course eternal conscious torment.

No mess no fuss.
 
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The Calvinist dictionary translates 'all' as 'the elect' and just about every place name as 'hell'. Oh and hell is of course eternal conscious torment.

No mess no fuss.

I'm a bit strange, in that I think that "All" actually means "All"....but that's probably just me.
 
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I'm a bit strange, in that I think that "All" actually means "All"....but that's probably just me.

In this day and age, it's unforgivable. You probably also deny that 'holy' means 'prepared to slow-roast critters for not incanting the magic words.'
 
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Except the Lake of Fire is not hell. It might feel like hell to some, but I daresay less so to the war hero and the little rape victim.

Hell is always put forward as that place or state of eternal 'separation' from God. Well, if you look into scripture with a Berean forensic approach, and follow the lake of fire back through its tributary to its source, you will find quite the opposite. The fire comes directly from the throne.

So when Rev 20:14 death and hell are cast into the lake of fire, that's the cue that reveals the lake of fire is different in nature and purpose to hades/ hell. It's the divine essence, theion, which my friend Fine Linen has expounded at length in other threads on this forum.

So you say hell is populated by the victims and heroes, I say the Bible teaches it's the lake of fire into which the dead are cast, in order to bring them to life renewed in Christ. It's the doctrine of allthingsmadenewinChristism and allmeansallism (and radically so).

Those already cherishing righteous qualities in their character but not knowing the source will be so elated to discover that they were doing God's work, and so humbled by their foolishness in failing to recognise God. As it is written, the nations shall bring their glory and honour into the Holy City. (Rev 21:24,26)
 
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It's the divine essence, theion

I took 20 tonnes of Thiovit out to different vineyards yesterday in my semi. That's a lot of God's essence! Sulphur--the divine purifier!
 
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That sent me scurrying for Dr Google, who tells us it's a fungicide with an 800g/L sulphur mix. That sure has the hallmark of God's own mushroom killer. Thanks, something new every day.

You know, there's medical research showing cancer (at least some types) may be a fungus. Epsom salt tea, anyone?
 
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I have never questioneed how anyone can come to know and be in union with the One who made them: it begins in Him, and it ends in Him, the All and in all of ta panta.

Agreed. This is true for the atheist war hero, the atheist rape victim, and the children who have died at such a young age.
 
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This is actually not at all what I have said, feel free to quote where I have said this. I will save you the trouble and say that Hell is populated by those who reject Christ.

Could you share Scripture on how you come to the conclusion that the lake of fire serves the purpose as to bring the dead to a life renewed in Christ? If you can share Scripture from which you argue your stance we can have a legitimate discussion over this.
 
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