what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

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Because you're made the allegation repeatedly, we should inquire...

Is it known that Jm belongs to WofF, yes or no?

Depends on who is doing the definitions.

WoF is a general term that applies to a subsection or movement of christianity that preaches similarly, though not identically on many matters.

I am not aware if any particular ministry has ownership rights on the term.

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the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.

Yes, and our Heavenly Father was pacing the floor, deeply deeply concerned.

Sorry brinny, no offense but...

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by brinny the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.

Yes, and our Heavenly Father was pacing the floor, deeply deeply concerned.

Sorry brinny, no offense but...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Did you see God pacing the floor?




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[Albion]

Depends on who is doing the definitions.

WoF is a general term that applies to a subsection or movement of christianity that preaches similarly, though not identically on many matters.

I am not aware if any particular ministry has ownership rights on the term.

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As I thought.

Thanks.

 

[WailingWall]

She motivates women to look into the Word which is always a good thing. But shes always looking for the crowd to give her applause which is a little annoying.

 

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As I thought.

Thanks.

I paid for my opinions, but thanks for your concerns.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Albion As I thought.

Thanks.

I paid for my opinions, but thanks for your concerns.

Was that with cash or by check or credit card





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Did you see God pacing the floor?

I can't believe anyone would take such claims seriously but WHATEVER.

In the world of religion people can make just about any claims they please.

If people want to send such people $ that's their business too.

I paid for my 'edumacation' in this particular arena and have no issues in my opinion of the bulk of their so called teachings to be quite heretical inclusive of those of Ms. Meyer.

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[brinny]

Originally Posted by brinny
the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.

Yes, and our Heavenly Father was pacing the floor, deeply deeply concerned.

Sorry brinny, no offense but...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

God, in essence sacrificed Himself through His only begotten Son, for us. It is because He loved us to that extent and that dire extent was necessary because sin is heinous and separated us from a holy God.

The God Who purposely sent His only begotten Son to be born, and then to absorb our sins, dying a disgraceful, criminal's death -Was He, this God, within His rights to do so? Didn't His holy-ness require it? Was it a hateful thing He has done? Is this the God who some would deny, saying God would never do such a thing because God is a God of love? God HAD to do such a thing. It is because of this:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." ~John 3:16

Are we to think that God took lightly the sacrifice of His only begotten Son? God did what He MUST. Why? Because He LOVES us. Love involves SACRIFICE. Sin is such an abomination, that God was COMPELLED to absorb it onto Himself, through His Son. Who ELSE could have SAVED us. It required a PERFECT Sacrifice. He did what NONE else could do.

Yes, the enemy was cheering on what happened to Jesus Christ, and in essence beat Him beyond recognition and was "celebrating" what they thought was the demise of God's only begotten Son.

 

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Was that with cash or by check or credit card
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Doesn't matter to them how it comes in as long as it comes in.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Glad to be of service LLOJ lol

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

Awww. I was too slow. LOL

 

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God, in essence sacrificed Himself through His only begotten Son, for us. It is because He loved us to that extent and that dire extent was necessary because sin is heinous and separated us from a holy God.

The game being employed by Joyce is that Jesus ceased to be the Son of God at some point along the trail brinny, which is your everyday basic heresy notwithstanding the other personally imposed wild embellishments.

But hey, in some hands the Gospel can be very imaginative.

The God Who purposely sent His only begotten Son to be born, and then to absorb our sins, dying a disgraceful, criminal's death -Was He, this God, within His rights to do so? Didn't His holy-ness require it? Was it a hateful thing He has done? Is this the God who some would deny, saying God would never do such a thing because God is a God of love? God HAD to do such a thing. It is because of this:

Generally speaking and a good rule of thumb is that anyone who tries to divide any member of the Trinity from the other is probably flirting with heresy. That's the quick measure.

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[brinny]

The game being employed by Joyce is that Jesus ceased to be the Son of God at some point along the trail brinny, which is your everyday basic heresy notwithstanding the other personally imposed wild embellishments.

But hey, in some hands the Gospel can be very imaginative.



Generally speaking and a good rule of thumb is that anyone who tries to divide any member of the Trinity from the other is probably flirting with heresy. That's the quick measure.

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God's grace covers the details that are inexplicable.....i don't see any division of the trinity. He DID die. He became sin for us. He WAS separated from a God Who was compelled to turn His back on Him. THat is why Jesus the Christ's earthly body actually expired, died, so we would not be claimed by and defeated in death and an eternal cursing.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Albion

I disagree and consider your rebuttal to be ridiculous.

The tax issue is valid and belief in hell is not a "heresy."
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I find it interesting that the religion of Judaism has no concept of the type of "hell" that is depicted in mainstream Christianity and in the religion of Islam.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7491713/
Judaism and Hell

This parable in Luke 16 is rather interesting, as it is the only place, outside of the book of Revelation, that shows a person in torments by "fire".
This parable was spoken to the Jews [and religious rulers who heard it]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell.
Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching......................

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I would like to ask how Joyce Meyer views "hell"...........



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God's grace covers the details that are inexplicable.....i don't see any division of the trinity. He DID die. He became sin for us. He WAS separated from a God Who was compelled to turn His back on Him. THat is why Jesus the Christ's earthly body actually expired, died, so we would not be claimed by and defeated in death and an eternal cursing.

Orthodoxy probably doesn't hold that view.

God was IN CHRIST so it is problematic to separate any member of the Trinity from the other.

God in Christ was fully God and also fully man.

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[brinny]

Orthodoxy probably doesn't hold that view.

God was IN CHRIST so it is problematic to separate any member of the Trinity from the other.

God in Christ was fully God and also fully man.

s

THe Christ hanging on the cross took sin upon Himself. God turned His back on the One Who was sent for this purpose. The question is, was God turning hIs back on "Himself"?

 

[Habakk]

the enemy and his minions DID think they won as Jesus was suffering and dying for us. God had turned His back on His only begotten Son when He became sin for us. That's why Jesus cried out to God, asking why He had forsaken Him.

If you read Genesis 15, you will see Abraham enacting a blood covenant between himself and God. There is mention of the horror of great darkness that foreshadows the cross of Christ. This all took place after the bread and wine given by Melchizedek.

We had a debt of sin (death and separation from God). Jesus paid the price of that sin (death and separation) under the blood covenant of the New Testament with his own blood. It is we that can’t look upon a holy God not the other way round. God does look upon sin and he judges it rightly. Jesus being God could never have God turn his back on him, it’s because he paid our debt (he became sin for us not a sinner) and he died willingly as the sinless Son of God delivering us by substitutionary atonement and also quoted Psalm 22.

 

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THe Christ hanging on the cross took sin upon Himself. God turned His back on the One Who was sent for this purpose. The question is, was God turning hIs back on "Himself"?

Ah, no.

That is why some of the early church fathers looked rather intensively at some of these subjects because heresy has in fact been rippling through christianity from the beginning, particularly on the 'nature of God/Christ/Holy Spirit' subjects and Joycey is pretty much in the heresy hotseat on this particular subject in many believers 'opinions' including mine.

But heresy abundant runs through the WoF MOVEment. It's quite a sick place, again, IMHO.

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[brinny]

If you read Genesis 15, you will see Abraham enacting a blood covenant between himself and God. There is mention of the horror of great darkness that foreshadows the cross of Christ.

We had a debt of sin and separation from God. Jesus paid the price of that sin and separation under the blood covenant of the New Testament with his own blood. It is we that can’t look upon a holy God not the other way round. God does look upon sin and he judges it rightly. Jesus being God could never have God turn his back on him, it’s because he paid our debt (he became sin for us not a sinner) and he died willingly as the sinless Son of God delivering us by substitutionary atonement and quoted Psalm 22.

My brother, God was compelled to. THat is the horror that Jesus faced for us. He was compelled to absorb the wrath of a holy God (in our stead).

Jesus cried out that God had forsaken Him. He was compelled to. His only begotten Son became sin for us (no He was not a "sinner") He was the spotless Lamb of God. He could not be a "sinner" and be the spotless Lamb of God.