what do people here think of Joyce Meyer?

[simonthezealot]

Glad all is well...
Then that means you've been busy,
and imo, busy is a good thing lol.

So 'for you" Joyce is out and mac is in, even though they're both
supposedly "exposed" as false teachers.
And you have your criteria and the next guy has his..

My comments aren't about what she or Mac teach but more
about the concept of how, why etc. on 'heretics"

It's not what we're looking AT that determines what we
see, it's what we're looking THROUGH.

It's basing it on the; historical, orthodoxical, biblical profession of faith that has been present and fought against from the earliest of times. Very early on the 1st Christians battled against peoples teaching of an inaccurrate/unbiblical view of the hypostatic union of Christs divinity and humanity. No orthodox teacher can rightly say that a guy like Macarthur has been exposed as a false teacher based on the 5 fundamental tenets of faith I listed above...Not the same for Meyer, so like I said take THEIR teaching and hold it up to scripture, truth will prevail if we diligently seek the scriptures as noble followers.

 

[sunlover1]

It's basing it on the; historical, orthodoxical, biblical profession of faith that has been present and fought against from the earliest of times. Very early on the 1st Christians battled against peoples teaching of an inaccurrate/unbiblical view of the hypostatic union of Christs divinity and humanity. No orthodox teacher can rightly say that a guy like Macarthur has been exposed as a false teacher based on the 5 fundamental tenets of faith I listed above...Not the same for Meyer, so like I said take THEIR teaching and hold it up to scripture, truth will prevail if we diligently seek the scriptures as noble followers.

So your argument is that anyone who would accuse your mac is not
orthodox.

As I said above, it's not what you look AT it's what you look THROUGH.
And while you can claim that your own beliefs are the orthodox ones,
we see that here at GT on a daily/hourly basis.
Everyone says that.

I'm not claiming yours are not, or that you're an heretic.
I'm just saying that
We all have to use our own discernment and just because you say
Joyce is an heretic, doesn't mean she is.
Jesus because some 'watcher' sites claim Mac is an heretic, doesn't
mean that he is.

thats all .
I have no comments to make on any ministries out there.

 

[simonthezealot]

2nd Peter is a prime area to learn about false teachers "denying the one who bought them" Meyer does that in that she fails to hold to Christs ETERNAL divinity.
Scripture warns us plenty of how to identify false teachers...This is just one of many areas (2 Peter) that you can glean these character traits.

 

[katherine2001]

I doubt that it does.
But there are carnal people every where
Seemed part of God's "best" for solomon's
blessing was indeed material things.

For me it's being in the presence of God.
You can take away my colored tv,
take away my furniture and my fancy
clothes and jewelry etc.
But don't take God from me.
He IS the air I breath and w/o
Him nothing matters at all.


I agree, But I mean do you believe he wants you to be in poverty?

Even if you believe that this verse is talking about wealth [/quote]
It is speaking of material wealth.
The entire talk was about their giving of their money.
Seriously, That's the BEST part of it!
That GRACE that abounds to the giver!
IN all things even.
I NEED grace every minute of every day.
[/QUOTE]

Jesus didn't grow up in a "prosperous" home. In fact, He wasn't even close to wealthy, especially once He started His ministry. Other people took Him into their homes and He depended on others to feed Him. He didn't have "wealth" as the world sees it at all, and He warned against wealth. In fact, He had much more admiration for the poor widow who put all the money she had into the box (which was an extremely small amount), than He did the big donation that a wealthy person gave because it cost the wealthy person nothing to give what he gave while the woman really had to make a sacrifice since she gave all that she had. Maybe God's idea of "prosperity" is very different than man's (the world's) definition of prosperity. Greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.
You can be a wealthy person in spirit and character without having a lot of money, while a rich person can be poor in those things because he is so bound up in the things of this world. We are told to build treasures in heaven and not on earth. After all, that is why the rich, young ruler walked away in the end. His money and possessions were so important to him that he couldn't give up those things to follow Christ when Christ told him to go and sell all that he had and give it to the poor. He knew what that young man's first love really was.

Also, how much of her wealth is Joyce Meyer giving away? She certainly has enough to have several mansions, private jets, and very expensive cars. Obviously, she isn't giving much away. The Televangelists are in it at least partly for the money, or they would just be pastor of a church. Also, they wouldn't be trying to take people's money, especially from those who have much less than they do and could use the money themselves for just the basic things. Of course, at least some of them promise that if people give them money that God will bless them with "prosperity" if they give to their ministry. Is that why God wants us to give? Is that giving out of love or greed for more?

 

[simonthezealot]

So your argument is that anyone who would accuse your mac is not
orthodox.

As I said above, it's not what you look AT it's what you look THROUGH.
And while you can claim that your own beliefs are the orthodox ones,
we see that here at GT on a daily/hourly basis.
Everyone says that.

I'm not claiming yours are not, or that you're an heretic.
I'm just saying that
We all have to use our own discernment and just because you say
Joyce is an heretic, doesn't mean she is.
Jesus because some 'watcher' sites claim Mac is an heretic, doesn't
mean that he is.

thats all .
I have no comments to make on any ministries out there.

I'm saying that based on her words held up to Peter's teaching or many teachings of scripture she IS a false teacher, i could care less what anyone else says about her..I can read scripture and hear her speak and hold them up and know that she does not teach truth... She denies each of these...
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.
14 having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.
24 and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed.

Compared to Joyce's words from her own book....
"He became our sacrifice and died on the cross. He did not stay dead. He was in the grave three days. During that time he entered hell, where you and I deserve to go (legally) because of our sin. He paid the price there.”

 

[sunlover1]

2nd Peter is a prime area to learn about false teachers "denying the one who bought them" Meyer does that in that she fails to hold to Christs ETERNAL divinity.
Scripture warns us plenty of how to identify false teachers...This is just one of many areas (2 Peter) that you can glean these character traits.

Learn about false teachers who "deny the one who bought them"
Good truths.

Earlier we were talking about our "place" and I just wanted
to repost this because someone might benefit from this
somehow and it could cause some paradigm shifting too.
(Like I said though, please correct anything you see as
"off", I appreciate that)

To expand on what solomon said about the ministry.
OUR field is "the world"
We are to BE the church to the world.
BE AS GOD to the world
as He is so are we, "IN THIS WORLD".

How IS He "in this world"?

Well he's the way and the truth and the Life
When folks meet us, they should be connected
to the kingdom of Heaven, they should experience
God "IN US".

Was it Peter who foiks would get healed from when
he walked down the street?
Do we have that same spirit IN us, that Peter had?

I know I sound crazy, just trying to sort this out
from biblical world view.

So when someone sits next to me, they should
be sitting next to "God in me" too.
And God wants to "manifest" THROUGH me.
(am I right? please feel free to correct me friend)
HOW does He want to manifest through me?

 

[simonthezealot]

None will likely listen to this, but this is one of the best teachings on the massive dangers involved in the Word of Faith industry.
Are You a Victim or a Victor? - A Call for Discernment - Justin Peters Ministries - YouTube

 

[simonthezealot]

Learn about false teachers who "deny the one who bought them"
Good truths.

Earlier we were talking about our "place" and I just wanted
to repost this because someone might benefit from this
somehow and it could cause some paradigm shifting too.
(Like I said though, please correct anything you see as
"off", I appreciate that)

To expand on what solomon said about the ministry.
OUR field is "the world"
We are to BE the church to the world.
BE AS GOD to the world
as He is so are we, "IN THIS WORLD".

How IS He "in this world"?

Well he's the way and the truth and the Life
When folks meet us, they should be connected
to the kingdom of Heaven, they should experience
God "IN US".

Was it Peter who foiks would get healed from when
he walked down the street?
Do we have that same spirit IN us, that Peter had?

I know I sound crazy, just trying to sort this out
from biblical world view.

So when someone sits next to me, they should
be sitting next to "God in me" too.
And God wants to "manifest" THROUGH me.
(am I right? please feel free to correct me friend)
HOW does He want to manifest through me?

Yes we are the hands and feet.
He is not just in the world He holds it together. Col 1
Not sure what you mean by be as God to the world?
How does God manifest in us? Frankly I don't know how the spiritual life works in me..Like Paul says in Galatians 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
See Paul didn't know either.

 

[sunlover1]

Yes we are the hands and feet.
He is not just in the world He holds it together. Col 1
Not sure what you mean by be as God to the world?
How does God manifest in us? Frankly I don't know how the spiritual life works in me..Like Paul says in Galatians 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
See Paul didn't know either.

Thanks Simon.
Do we have that same spirit in us that Peter did?
Wonder why people could be healed by walking
into his shadow.

Hmmm lol

 

[simonthezealot]

Thanks Simon.
Do we have that same spirit in us that Peter did?
Wonder why people could be healed by walking
into his shadow.

Hmmm lol

Spent last night thinking about what this might have to do with the thread and i was not quite following what this has to do with Joyce...But this morning i figured let's take a look at the verses anyway...
15 so that they brought the sick out into the streets and laid them on beds and couches, that at least the shadow of Peter passing by might fall on some of them. 16 Also a multitude gathered from the surrounding cities to Jerusalem, bringing sick people and those who were tormented by unclean spirits, and they were all healed.

First off i'd say that accepting that people were healed by walking into his shadow is reading to much into this...It does not say that, in fact it says ALL were healed, that would mean even those outside the shadow...
They gathered likely because they heard of the great signs, miracles and wonders they'd heard about, this to testify the message they were commissioned to give...
In Acts 3 Peter responds to those looking on to them about the miracles, in that you'll find the answer.
11 Now as the lame man who was healed held on to Peter and John, all the people ran together to them in the porch which is called Solomon’s, greatly amazed. 12 So when Peter saw it, he responded to the people: “Men of Israel, why do you marvel at this? Or why look so intently at us, as though by our own power or godliness we had made this man walk? 13 The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let Him go. 14 But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. 16 And His name, through faith in His name, has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

 

[squint]

When I was a charismatic 'zealot' these high flyers had various statements to lull people into accepting various heresies.

One of them was 'eat the meat, spit out the bones.'

Another was 'don't throw out the baby with the bath water'

etc etc, all designed with the specific intentions to 'allow' these various heresies to be implanted.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.

According to the preachers of prosperity you are not wealthy becauze you are FAULTY.

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[simonthezealot]

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[Tangible]

A lil tribute to the WF group
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