What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[ace of hearts]

John 15:10

(CJB) If you keep my commands, you will stay in my love -- just as I have kept my Father's commands and stay in his love.

(ESV) If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love.

(Geneva) If ye shall keepe my commandements, ye shall abide in my loue, as I haue kept my Fathers commandements, and abide in his loue.

(Greek NT TR) εαν τας εντολας μου τηρησητε μενειτε εν τη αγαπη μου καθως εγω τας εντολας του πατρος μου τετηρηκα και μενω αυτου εν τη αγαπη

(GW) If you obey my commandments, you will live in my love. I have obeyed my Father's commandments, and in that way I live in his love.

(LITV-TSP) If you keep My commandments you will continue in My love, as I have kept My Father's commandments and continue in His love.

(KJV) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

(KJV+) IfG1437 ye keepG5083 myG3450 commandments,G1785 ye shall abideG3306 inG1722 myG3450 love;G26 even asG2531 IG1473 have keptG5083 myG3450 Father'sG3962 commandments,G1785 andG2532 abideG3306 inG1722 hisG846 love.G26

(NKJV) If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

(YLT) if my commandments ye may keep, ye shall remain in my love, according as I the commands of my Father have kept, and do remain in His love;

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2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?

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1Jn 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

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I might start including 1 JN 3:24 when I quote verse 23

 

[ace of hearts]

You speak as if the new covenant isn’t with Israel - Jeremiah 31:31-33

The new covenant is not with Gentiles

You can’t take part of something that is for a specific group of people if you are not somehow part of that group.

For example, you can’t be a citizen of Germany and inherit/claim and take part of things that are for citizens of India.

The new covenant includes gentiles. Read this command of Jesus -

Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[ace of hearts]

Sin separates us, and we still sin. Yes Yeshua covers our sin, but we must repent and go and sin no more...or at least try, otherwise you are preaching in essence that grace is a license to sin...

No more than your refusal to accept the consequences of sin.

 

[ace of hearts]

You can and you do sin...you need to add a big caveat to that statement...otherwise it seems like you are saying you are sinless...(I know what you are going to say and yes I understand, but others may not)

You don't understand. 1 JN 5:18

 

[BABerean2]

It was a yes or no answer...

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

If the two sets of commandments above are different the answer is... No.

If the two sets of commandments above are exactly the same the answer is... Yes.

I will let the unbiased witnesses here find the truth plainly written in God's Word.

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

If one knows it is impossible, why attempt what you know is not attainable. Isn't that self abuse? For what purpose? To attain a righteousness of filthy rags?

So if you can't get an A on a test, why bother trying? So don't even try not to sin, you will get a free ride?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You don't understand. 1 JN 5:18

Yes I do. That is why I said what I did, because some may not...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

If the two sets of commandments above are different the answer is... No.

If the two sets of commandments above are exactly the same the answer is... Yes.

I will let the unbiased witnesses here find the truth plainly written in God's Word.

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I asked you

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No. You can refuse to accept the new covenant, but you can't break it. The new covenant is unilateral. The previous covenant is by-lateral allowing you to break it.

Why don't you read what I wrote?? You are saying the same thing I did...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You're trying to get me to say something that isn't true for the purpose of beratement. The law didn't invent sin.

I am asking you to answer the questions...I am growing tired of communicating with you...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No more than your refusal to accept the consequences of sin.

Same as they are for everyone...

 

[mkgal1]

Christianity isn't based on the law or even the OT.

Christianity isn't based on the OT. Christianity is based on a better covenant - Heb 8:6.

I'm glad to see you've changed your mind about your previous quotes (above).

Jeremiah and Jesus disagree with you.

NOW you seem to be catching on. That "all the Law" [which was the Torah - the first 5 books of the Old Testament] and the Prophets pointed to Jesus. He fulfilled the Law and all the words of the Prophets (like the prophet, Jeremiah). Well done, Ace. ​

 

[mkgal1]

Do you mean obeying the ten commandments will reflect a holy life?

That's not the point that I glean from Dr. Michael Brown's article - no.

In case you're interested in reading it again, I will repost it:

Quoting from Christian Post article by Dr. Michael Brown:
In a January, 2015 interview in GQ magazine, basketball superstar Kevin Durant talked about his personal spiritual transformation after learning about God's love from Pastor Carl Lentz.

He explained that he once lived with the fear that, "If I do something wrong, I'm going to hell. I felt like I had to follow the Ten Commandments."

"But," he continues, "we don't live by that no more. We live by the blood of Jesus. That's how I feel."

Now, I sincerely hope that what he meant was this: "I used to live in constant fear of an angry, vengeful God who was watching my every move, out to get me if I broke a single commandment a single time, with the penalty of hell hanging over me all the time. Now, I realize that Jesus died for my sins and gave me a new heart, so I serve God out of love, not terror."

Yes, I truly hope that's what he meant and that he wasn't saying, "Because Jesus died for me, there's nothing left for me to do, since God forgives me no matter what."

Unfortunately, for many professing Christians today, that's exactly what they mean, and they have forgotten the words of Jesus who said, "If you love me, you will keep my commandments," and, "Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me," and, "If you keep my commandments, you will abide in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commandments and abide in his love" (Jn. 14:15, 21a; 15:10).

His commandments include living holy lives (see, for example the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew 5-7) as well as loving one another as he loved us — lofty goals, for sure, but things we are called to, nonetheless. His grace not only forgives us; it empowers us.


This is the consistent testimony of the New Testament: "And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says 'I know him' but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him. . . . By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments. And his commandments are not burdensome" (1 John 5:2-3).

To quote Jesus again, "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven" (Matt. 7:21). ~ Loving Jesus Means Keeping His Commandments
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[mkgal1]

I want to revisit this post and ask again about what fulfil means. After this is discussed we can then discuss Mat 5:17-18.

The original Greek word used was πληρόω (pléroó) which means: to make full, to complete.

I'm going to repost the video that Yeshua HaDerekh shared earlier, because I believe it's an excellent (and true) explanation of that. The video is less than 20 minutes - but, even if you don't want to listen to the entire thing, he gets right to your point in the first 6 minutes):

One thing Dr Brown mentions is that "end" (telos) = goal. Jesus was the "goal" of all of the Law (the first five books of our Bible) and the words of the prophets. The whole message that was given - what it was pointing to ALL ALONG - was Jesus.

In the Temple system - the wash basins - the ritual of cleansing.....that was pointing to Jesus. The lamb - the sacrifice - the forgiveness of sins----->Jesus.

The feasts and the holy days---->Jesus.

The New Covenant means the truths of Torah (the Law - the first five books of our Bible) are taken and written on our hearts (so it's more of a transfer from stone to our hearts. An outward external law to a law written in our hearts).

BABerean2 is correct when he states that what's obsolete (like all the furnishings in the Temple and the Temple itself) have been replaced by something better. They've served their purpose. They were a "means to an end" (and the "end"....the goal....the purpose....was the revelation of Jesus, who is the exact representation of God, as Hebrews 1:3 states). He's also correct that Jesus took the ethical Law and brought it to a higher standard (but the original ethical law is still the foundation that Jesus built upon).

 

[Dkh587]

I'm glad to see you've changed your mind about your previous quotes (above).

NOW you seem to be catching on. That "all the Law [which was the Torah - the first 5 books of the Old Testament] and the Prophets pointed to Jesus. He fulfilled the Law and all the words of the Prophets (like the prophet, Jeremiah). Well done, Ace. ​

Did you know that we can fulfill the law, too?

 

[mkgal1]

Did you know that we can fulfill the law, too?

Do you mean when we're in union with Christ? As His body?

 

[mkgal1]

No one can fail as a Christian because nothing can separate us from the love of God!

What about our other relationships?

Do you not believe that God is concerned with how we treat others? I seem to recall Jesus speaking about this - the importance of how we treat people? Is it not "failing" as a Christian - somewhat - when a Christian wife cheats on her husband (commits adultery)? Sure.....there's the redemption of God (and His forgiveness) - but certain words and behavior have an effect on others (and sometimes the hurt is far too deep that others just can't trust us again - a line was crossed that they never expected - and the damage/the consequence of that sin is a death of the relationship). Shouldn't we have that reverence in our behaviour with other people?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Why? Hoping I'd go on your rabbit trail and say something ignorant?

I am finished arguing with you...half the time you make no sense and the other half you have no idea what the thread is or even what you said previously...all I get are stupid responses or "?". You are either dishonest or have some sort of major problem with comprehension. Anyway, I don't have time for this nor do I want to deal with your behavior any longer.
Shalom

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

And you'd get the same response.

Which again from you is no response...just more games. Don't worry, I understand you can't answer the question because you are boxed in...like I said, you really should read what you write before you post it...You can have the last word, because that is all you want to do, so make it good LOL! Bye

 

[mkgal1]

Keeping the law is never called fruit.

.....and that's good evidence that I'm not speaking of "keeping the law". I'm referring to "walking in the Spirit" (and have been all through this thread).

Galatians 5:5 ~ 5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us. 6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Galatians 5:22-24 ~ But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.​