What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[mkgal1]

So no one should even try, right? Is that what you are saying? It is about trying to and when you fail, you have forgiveness...grace.

If one knows it is impossible, why attempt what you know is not attainable. Isn't that self abuse? For what purpose? To attain a righteousness of filthy rags?

And this ^ unfortunately, seems to be what a lot of modern-day Christians understand. And why I am posting in this thread. It's a widespread misunderstanding (and our image is tarnished because of it). Dalai Lama's words are becoming more and more true these days ("I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."). I wish there'd come a day when they've been proven to be untrue - and future generations won't even understand what he was talking about.

To answer your question? Why make attempts towards sinning less? For what purpose? Maybe for the purpose of those that live with you and around you (for starters). Maybe - like King David - because, out of love and gratefulness to God, you wish to be like Him.....that His love provokes you to love others.​

 

[mkgal1]

Hoping I'd go on your rabbit trail and say something ignorant?

[reciting a little prayer]"Thank you, God, for confirmation that I'm walking with your Spirit. Thank you for providing me with the strength that goes against my nature...Amen".

 

[BABerean2]

I asked you

The words "My commandments", are not the same as the words "My Father's commandments", in John 15:10.

Notice the word "Father's" in the second part of the passage.

What do you think?

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[mkgal1]

The words "My commandments", are not the same as the words "My Father's commandments", in John 15:10.

Notice the word "Father's" in the second part of the passage.

What do you think?

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"I and my Father are One" ~ John 10:30

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."

John 5:30 ~ I can do nothing on my own. I judge as God tells me. Therefore, my judgment is just, because I carry out the will of the one who sent me, not my own will.

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John is providing a written record of Jesus' theme - just as my Father....so am I. Jesus was addressing unity - not creating a division.

John 15:9 ~ As the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you. Remain in My love.

John 15:5 ~ "I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.​

 

[mkgal1]

I'm curious.....those of you that are so adamant about the Law having nothing to do with us, modern-day Christians.....has this occurred?

Matthew 5:18 ~ For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.​

 

[ace of hearts]

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

If the two sets of commandments above are different the answer is... No.

If the two sets of commandments above are exactly the same the answer is... Yes.

I will let the unbiased witnesses here find the truth plainly written in God's Word.

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Please explain. From your posts I think you hurried a little to much and made a mistake.

 

[ace of hearts]

So if you can't get an A on a test, why bother trying? So don't even try not to sin, you will get a free ride?

There's only one question on the test, which means it's a pass or no pass test. There's no score called "B."

 

[ace of hearts]

Yes I do. That is why I said what I did, because some may not...

Then why are you asking if I sin?

The verse I quoted will do fine, but I meant to quote this one which is much more clear -

1 JN 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[ace of hearts]

Why don't you read what I wrote?? You are saying the same thing I did...

We disagree. Sorry. You're not promoting the covenant that governs me. You claim the new covenant is at best an amended covenant moved from stone tablets to hearts of flesh. That's not what Jeremiah said. Jeremiah said unprecedented, not amended and moved.

 

[ace of hearts]

I am asking you to answer the questions...I am growing tired of communicating with you...

No problem for me.

 

[ace of hearts]

Same as they are for everyone...

No, not even by the OT or the Book of the Law.

 

[ace of hearts]

I'm glad to see you've changed your mind about your previous quotes (above).

NOW you seem to be catching on. That "all the Law" [which was the Torah - the first 5 books of the Old Testament] and the Prophets pointed to Jesus. He fulfilled the Law and all the words of the Prophets (like the prophet, Jeremiah). Well done, Ace. ​

Thanks.
I'm happy I wrote something you can understand.

 

[ace of hearts]

The original Greek word used was πληρόω (pléroó) which means: to make full, to complete.

Now let's talk about what a covenant is. Here's what I find -
NOUN

1. an agreement.
   synonyms:
   contract · compact · treaty · pact · accord · deal · bargain · settlement ·
   [more]

VERB

1. agree by lease, deed, or other legal contract.

I see covenant in this way. No matter where you see covenant these days it's a legal contract one must fulfil or bear the consequences thereof. I believe Jesus completed the covenant (contract). It seems to me you believe you must also fulfil the contract. I believe in substitionary atonement as taught by animal sacrifice. I also believe Jesus did for me what I could never do for myself, both keeping the law and atoning for my sin. If you need an OT reference, I give you Ps 14:3, 53:3. I also give you two NT references Rom 3:23, 6:23. If this isn't good enough I refer you to Rom 4.

I'm going to repost the video that Yeshua HaDerekh shared earlier, because I believe it's an excellent (and true) explanation of that. The video is less than 20 minutes - but, even if you don't want to listen to the entire thing, he gets right to your point in the first 6 minutes):

No thanks, I don't do videos because it eats my allotment alive.

One thing Dr Brown mentions is that "end" (telos) = goal. Jesus was the "goal" of all of the Law (the first five books of our Bible) and the words of the prophets. The whole message that was given - what it was pointing to ALL ALONG - was Jesus.

Great! It seems you prefer the word "goal" over "end." Tell me what happens when a team scores a goal - the purpose of having the playing piece. They give the other team the playing piece and try to prevent them from making a goal. I see goal and end as interchangeable in meaning and intention in Rom 10:4.

In the Temple system - the wash basins - the ritual of cleansing.....that was pointing to Jesus. The lamb - the sacrifice - the forgiveness of sins----->Jesus.

The feasts and the holy days---->Jesus.

The New Covenant means the truths of Torah (the Law - the first five books of our Bible) are taken and written on our hearts (so it's more of a transfer from stone to our hearts. An outward external law to a law written in our hearts).

Wonderful picture words for the Jew. For me they really have no meaning or purpose. They are nice pieces of useless information for me. They had nothing to do with my conversion.

BABerean2 is correct when he states that what's obsolete (like all the furnishings in the Temple and the Temple itself) have been replaced by something better. They've served their purpose. They were a "means to an end" (and the "end"....the goal....the purpose....was the revelation of Jesus, who is the exact representation of God, as Hebrews 1:3 states). He's also correct that Jesus took the ethical Law and brought it to a higher standard (but the original ethical law is still the foundation that Jesus built upon).

The rest of the law is in the same boat for me.

 

[ace of hearts]

Did you know that we can fulfill the law, too?

We don't need to. You really think we have to. The Scripture says very plainly we don't and can't.

 

[ace of hearts]

What about our other relationships?

Do you not believe that God is concerned with how we treat others? I seem to recall Jesus speaking about this - the importance of how we treat people? Is it not "failing" as a Christian - somewhat - when a Christian wife cheats on her husband (commits adultery)? Sure.....there's the redemption of God (and His forgiveness) - but certain words and behavior have an effect on others (and sometimes the hurt is far too deep that others just can't trust us again - a line was crossed that they never expected - and the damage/the consequence of that sin is a death of the relationship). Shouldn't we have that reverence in our behaviour with other people?

From testimony, I'm sure my dad committed adultery and never confess and my mother forgave him without this confession to her. My mother said I do and meant every single word of it to the end. That is true Christianity.

 

[ace of hearts]

I am finished arguing with you...half the time you make no sense and the other half you have no idea what the thread is or even what you said previously...all I get is stupid responses or "?". You are either dishonest or have some sort of major problem with comprehension. Anyway, I don't have time for this nor do I want to deal with your behavior any longer.
Shalom

The deal is I'm not playing your game. I have to give you an "A" for effort to confuse and convert me to the law. The Gospel is foolishness to many.

 

[ace of hearts]

Which again from you is no response...just more games. Don't worry, I understand you can't answer the question because you are boxed in...like I said, you really should read what you write before you post it...You can have the last word, because that is all you want to do, so make it good LOL! Bye

No, I just refuse to play your game.

 

[ace of hearts]

.....and that's good evidence that I'm not speaking of "keeping the law". I'm referring to "walking in the Spirit" (and have been all through this thread).

Galatians 5:5 ~ 5 But we who live by the Spirit eagerly wait to receive by faith the righteousness God has promised to us. 6 For when we place our faith in Christ Jesus, there is no benefit in being circumcised or being uncircumcised. What is important is faith expressing itself in love.

Galatians 5:22-24 ~ But the Holy Spirit produces this kind of fruit in our lives: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against these things!

24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed the passions and desires of their sinful nature to his cross and crucified them there. 25 Since we are living by the Spirit, let us follow the Spirit’s leading in every part of our lives. 26 Let us not become conceited, or provoke one another, or be jealous of one another.​

This is a much different kind of post from your first few. What happened?

 

[ace of hearts]

And this ^ unfortunately, seems to be what a lot of modern-day Christians understand. And why I am posting in this thread. It's a widespread misunderstanding (and our image is tarnished because of it). Dalai Lama's words are becoming more and more true these days ("I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."). I wish there'd come a day when they've been proven to be untrue - and future generations won't even understand what he was talking about.

To answer your question? Why make attempts towards sinning less? For what purpose? Maybe for the purpose of those that live with you and around you (for starters). Maybe - like King David - because, out of love and gratefulness to God, you wish to be like Him.....that His love provokes you to love others.​

I believe the IC has much to do with this. Bottom line for me is I can't tell the average IC attendee from the world. IOW I really understand the constant evangelism from the bully pulpit of the lost. Indeed a member of a church I attended said plainly to me they weren't a Christian. The person was part of family that ran the church. I can't worship, if that's what you call it with unbelievers. Hebrews doesn't say assemble with unbelievers.

 

[ace of hearts]

[reciting a little prayer]"Thank you, God, for confirmation that I'm walking with your Spirit. Thank you for providing me with the strength that goes against my nature...Amen".

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