What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[ace of hearts]

Um no, you still sin...the difference is now you have a covering for your sin, a permanent one...do you understand that?

Rom 7:14-8:7 I identify with Paul.

 

[ace of hearts]

Was that before or after the flood?

You don't know? What differences does it make when that covenant was made? What do you have provin it'sa invalid?

 

[ace of hearts]

So you admit you would break the law if you commit murder, yet as a Christian, you are not subject to the law....meaning what, that you did not break it or for you I is legal to murder?

Correct except I don't agree it is legal (permissible) to murder by JN 13:34. I do guess it might be legal if that's what you want someone to do to you - LK 6:31.

 

[ace of hearts]

The mind ruled by the power of sin is at war with God. It does not obey God’s law. It can’t. Those who are under the power of sin can’t please God.

Our duty is not to live under the power of sin. If you live under the power of sin, you will die. But by the Spirit’s power you can put to death the sins you commit. Then you will live.

You speak of the carnal mind which isn't subject to the law of God. However it's not the carnal mind that gets redeemed.

 

[ace of hearts]

Well of course! I wouldn't expect anything different from you! LOL

You don't even wonder why. So sad.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yes. BUT as I always say, grace is not a license to sin. Also my question to others here, WHAT is the Father's Will?? Is it different than Yeshua's? He said "I do the Will of my Father"...

The only people that bring this up are the pro law group. I wonder why the pro law people run from the law to grace when they violate it? Seems to me that would void the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

Yes! Excellent question. I'll be anticipating the answer to that. I'd like to park on that one question for now. Maybe that will bring some direction and focus here (see? I have hope.... ).

What do you think the will of our Father is?

 

[ace of hearts]

Both covenants are with Israel, not gentiles - since you claim to be a part of the new covenant, thus associating with and claiming to be Israel , do you keep the 4th commandment?

IOW one must become a Jew to possess salvation. Where do you get that idea seeing Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

[ace of hearts]

The will of the father is stated below.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

You said, 'grace is not a license to sin'.

Everyone sins regardless of what they may declare, in fact if you claim to have no sin you are a liar.

Whether or not grace is a license to sin you will sin anyway, and you will never obey any commandment to the letter.

Great verse. Here's one I like -

1 JN 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The will of the father is stated below.

John 6:40
For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.

You said, 'grace is not a license to sin'.

Everyone sins regardless of what they may declare, in fact if you claim to have no sin you are a liar.

Whether or not grace is a license to sin you will sin anyway, and you will never obey any commandment to the letter.

So no one should even try, right? Is that what you are saying? It is about trying to and when you fail, you have forgiveness...grace.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

So is a nasty thought towards someone, both the thought and the act of murder deliver the same outcome: death.

Live according to the law and die through that same law. No one can obey the law and a personal righteousness was not the purpose or the goal of the law. The law delivers the knowledge of sin and death, anyone who dwells on the law should realize that they are evil and deserve rightly to die for their sin.

The law simply announces the need for the messiah, nothing more and nothing less.

The Christ is what the scripture is all about.

John 5:39
You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me.

We are justified and sanctified already through and in Jesus Christ, already we are seated with Christ in the heavenly realms.

The question is not how do I live a holy life rather we were given the very righteousness of Christ, when we first believed in Jesus.

The Christian life is a life of thankfulness, a life of rejoicing in what Christ did for us.

The alpha and the omega of all doctrine, the Christ first and last. It is not about, 'thou shall not covet', which results in death. We are led by the Holy Spirit in our walk, not the letter of the law.

And yet you still sin, which is against the law. Following the law is not now about justification or salvation, it is about loving God and your neighbor...of course you will fail, but now you have grace...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Are you asking if I practice sin or commit an occasional sin? Are you talking about my soul or my body which isn't subject to the law of God. Rom 8:7

I am asking if you sin.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Is what He commanded different than what the Father commanded? re their wills different?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The only people that bring this up are the pro law group. I wonder why the pro law people run from the law to grace when they violate it? Seems to me that would void the law.

Because you don't understand it...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You don't even wonder why. So sad.

So sad is why you do...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You speak of the carnal mind which isn't subject to the law of God. However it's not the carnal mind that gets redeemed.

That was Paul

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You don't know? What differences does it make when that covenant was made? What do you have provin it'sa invalid?

I know...I was asking you.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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Nice dodge as you would say. Is your memory shot? You can't even remember what you said? You said: "I would still have a covenant of redemption. Doesn't matter much what name is has." So I asked you How, Why, With Whom would you have this covenant. Remember, you said the NT and NC has nothing to do with the OT and OC...the NT and NC is not based on the OT and OC...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Grace never stops sin. It wasn't intended to. Grace doesn't mean it's OK to sin either.

Good! And sin is? And grace is?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I would ask what part of the law does Jeremiah say would be replaced in 31:31-33? Since there is no specification I would take it as complete replacement. This is exactly what the word "new" means. It's backed up with the self defining verse 32 which happens to be the middle part of the sentence. There can be no change of subject.

Some people here are trying to say that means we can now murder. That is foolishness to try and get a confession we indeed do follow the law. So I counter with JN 13:34 and ask how one can do this and murder? Just gets ignored. Same goes for LK 6:31. Then I get told this is a quote from the law in Lev 19:18 trying to force the issue I'm not following Jesus but the law. But take this in light of JN 13:34 which is definitely not from the law. That too is followed with an oh yeah statement and similar statement from Lev by reference. I never see the requested comparative statement of both passages for some reason.

Jeremiah says a new covenant, not like Sinai WHICH WE BROKE, even though He was a husband to us...we cheated on Him. It will be one which we will not break because it will be in our hearts now and Yeshua will be the mediator. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts". Paul says "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved."