What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

One more time then.

Here's what you said:
"LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

To which I replied:
"I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi... "

Here is the thread I was responding to, so people can decide for themselves without having you quote me out of context...we were discussing JEWS, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, THE JEWISH APOSTLES...

This is the post that started all of this:

AOH: The Sermon on the Mount makes it clear Jesus isn't teaching the law. The fact is He either changed the law and taught something different

YHD (me): Why are you constantly trying to separate Him from His Judaism?

AOH: There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

(So He is indeed the Messiah OF THE JEWS…but there is no Jesus in Judaism…hmmm, makes perfect sense LOL)

YHD (me): Do you hear what you are saying?!?!?!?!?!?!

AOH: Adherents of Judaism haven't accepted the Messiah.

YHD (me): LOL, tell that to all the Apostles!

SS: Do you have concrete evidence to the contrary? The Apostles weren't "Adherents of Judaism". Christianity happened outside of Judaism. (not within it) Two separate religions.

(So were the Apostle gentiles SS? LOL)

YHD (me): Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

YDH (me): "LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

SS: I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi...

 

[BABerean2]

Rabbi Singer is also a Jewish scholar, author and has lectured extensively. But I don't really care. I only posted a quote from Hillel...he died in 10 AD...you are making something simple into a huge mountain...

What is your source of information for what Rabbi Hillel said?

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What is your source of information for what Rabbi Hillel said?

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You can find it on Wikipedia

 

[ace of hearts]

You can find it on Wikipedia

Now we are getting our truth from Wikipedia. Scripture doesn't matter.

 

[ace of hearts]

Here is the thread I was responding to, so people can decide for themselves without having you quote me out of context...we were discussing JEWS, THE JEWISH MESSIAH, THE JEWISH APOSTLES...

This is the post that started all of this:

AOH: The Sermon on the Mount makes it clear Jesus isn't teaching the law. The fact is He either changed the law and taught something different

YHD (me): Why are you constantly trying to separate Him from His Judaism?

AOH: There's no Jesus in Judaism. Jesus is indeed the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world, Who is rejected for various reasons.

(So He is indeed the Messiah OF THE JEWS…but there is no Jesus in Judaism…hmmm, makes perfect sense LOL)

YHD (me): Do you hear what you are saying?!?!?!?!?!?!

AOH: Adherents of Judaism haven't accepted the Messiah.

YHD (me): LOL, tell that to all the Apostles!

SS: Do you have concrete evidence to the contrary? The Apostles weren't "Adherents of Judaism". Christianity happened outside of Judaism. (not within it) Two separate religions.

(So were the Apostle gentiles SS? LOL)

YHD (me): Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

YDH (me): "LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant"

SS: I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi...

I've no idea why you think I'm trying to say Jesus wasn't a Jew. Jesus clearly didn't teach Judaism. Jesus submitted to Judaism (the law) or He couldn't be our Savior. Yes the Apostles were also Jews. They departed Judaism as evidenced by the NT for something else called Christianity. Peter and Paul were both living like gentiles in Antioch. Paul is very strong against the law. Even Peter didn't enforce Judaism on gentiles. Acts 15. Many Jews suffered even death for Christianity (Jesus). Christianity isn't based on the law or even the OT.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Now we are getting our truth from Wikipedia. Scripture doesn't matter.

It was a joke grumpy. The quote was pre-NT

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I've no idea why you think I'm trying to say Jesus wasn't a Jew. Jesus clearly didn't teach Judaism. Jesus submitted to Judaism (the law) or He couldn't be our Savior. Yes the Apostles were also Jews. They departed Judaism as evidenced by the NT for something else called Christianity. Peter and Paul were both living like gentiles in Antioch. Paul is very strong against the law. Even Peter didn't enforce Judaism on gentiles. Acts 15. Many Jews suffered even death for Christianity (Jesus). Christianity isn't based on the law or even the OT.

Do you ever actually read what you write? BTW, Paul calls himself a Jew in Acts 22:3 . Christianity would not exist without Judaism. It did not come from a vacuum. He was the promised (in the OT) JEWISH messiah. He even said that Moses (OT) spoke of Him. Are Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 in the OT?? Acts 15 was about circumcision. What do you think the following scripture means and where did it originally come from? Do you think they just made it up on the spot?

"Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

 

[ace of hearts]

Do you ever actually read what you write? BTW, Paul calls himself a Jew in Acts 22:3 . Christianity would not exist without Judaism. It did not come from a vacuum. He was the promised (in the OT) JEWISH messiah. He even said that Moses (OT) spoke of Him. Are Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 in the OT?? Acts 15 was about circumcision. What do you think the following scripture means and where did it originally come from? Do you think they just made it up on the spot?

"Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

This doesn't hold much water if any. God could have chosen any one or group of people to redeem mankind. If it wasn't Abraham extended to Israel and Jesus, it would have been someone else. IOW different names. Your argument is base on names. The reality is that God could have used any one or group of people. Bottom line it still would have been God's Son Who redeems mankind. Redemption was the plan from before creation.

I don't know because you most likely won't state, but do you worship in the synagogue with Jews and do they preach Jesus Christ and salvation by grace? You're only rage is against Christians because they don't serve your God.

The verse you quoted isn't a call to attend the synagogue and practice Judaism. If you want to claim Christianity is a sect or form of Judaism be my guest. Jews don't like Christianity even though they benefit from it. From my personal interaction with Jews they think Christians are trying to convert them. So the evidence is Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism. Do you not read what was happening to Jews who accepted Jesus and followed Him in the Scripture? They don't like their members marrying non Jews for this reason. They even don't like a male gentile going through the rites of becoming a Jew to men who want to marry their women.

Yes Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 are in the OT. What is your point concerning them? Do you think I don't believe them? Are you trying to say Jesus Isn't God? The Deut 6:5 is part of the reason Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah. Another part is they were looking for a government ruler delivering them from oppression caused by themselves.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

This doesn't hold much water if any. God could have chosen any one or group of people to redeem mankind. If it wasn't Abraham extended to Israel and Jesus, it would have been someone else. IOW different names. Your argument is base on names. The reality is that God could have used any one or group of people. Bottom line it still would have been God's Son Who redeems mankind. Redemption was the plan from before creation.

I don't know because you most likely won't state, but do you worship in the synagogue with Jews and do they preach Jesus Christ and salvation by grace? You're only rage is against Christians because they don't serve your God.

The verse you quoted isn't a call to attend the synagogue and practice Judaism. If you want to claim Christianity is a sect or form of Judaism be my guest. Jews don't like Christianity even though they benefit from it. From my personal interaction with Jews they think Christians are trying to convert them. So the evidence is Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism. Do you not read what was happening to Jews who accepted Jesus and followed Him in the Scripture? They don't like their members marrying non Jews for this reason. They even don't like a male gentile going through the rites of becoming a Jew to men who want to marry their women.

Yes Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 are in the OT. What is your point concerning them? Do you think I don't believe them? Are you trying to say Jesus Isn't God? The Deut 6:5 is part of the reason Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah. Another part is they were looking for a government ruler delivering them from oppression caused by themselves.

Why do your posts many times have nothing to do with what I wrote? I didn't think we were discussing 2019, but the 1st century. When have I raged against Christians "who don't serve my God"? What does that even mean???? Oppression caused by themselves? What are you talking about? Jews oppressed by the Romans, they brought on themselves?

 

[mkgal1]

I just came across this thread today, and I've not read all the way through it (yet) - but this comment stopped me in my tracks and I wanted to comment before I read further:

I'm subjected to the NC as a Christian. The law has no jurisdiction. The law including the famous 10 aren't the words or works of Jesus.

What?

ISTM that you're divorcing Jesus from God and the whole Old Testament. When the phrase "the law" is used....that pertains to the Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible) not just the ten commandments. Remember when Jesus said,

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." ~ Matthew 5:17

....and remember what John wrote?

John 1:1 ~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God​

 

[mkgal1]

What commandments is Jesus talking about in -

Jn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

John 13:34 ~ So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.

John 15:9 ~ 9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love."​

 

[mkgal1]

God could have chosen any one or group of people to redeem mankind. If it wasn't Abraham extended to Israel and Jesus, it would have been someone else. IOW different names. Your argument is base on names. The reality is that God could have used any one or group of people. Bottom line it still would have been God's Son Who redeems mankind. Redemption was the plan from before creation.

It's more than just names. There is a lot of profound glory in how God fulfilled His promises. I don't know if you've ever heard of Bible Study Fellowship? If you haven't.....here's a link: Comprehensive Bible Studies Around the World | Bible Study Fellowship

They happen to be doing a study now (classes are conducted all across the globe) called People of the Promises Land. This blogger has summarized a lot of it (along with sharing her answers to the study questions): AtoZMom's Blog

 

[ace of hearts]

Why do your posts many times have nothing to do with what I wrote? I didn't think we were discussing 2019, but the 1st century. When have I raged against Christians "who don't serve my God"? What does that even mean???? Oppression caused by themselves? What are you talking about? Jews oppressed by the Romans, they brought on themselves?

You said -

Do you ever actually read what you write? BTW, Paul calls himself a Jew in Acts 22:3 . Christianity would not exist without Judaism. It did not come from a vacuum. He was the promised (in the OT) JEWISH messiah. He even said that Moses (OT) spoke of Him. Are Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 in the OT?? Acts 15 was about circumcision. What do you think the following scripture means and where did it originally come from? Do you think they just made it up on the spot?

"Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.”

I said -

This doesn't hold much water if any. God could have chosen any one or group of people to redeem mankind. If it wasn't Abraham extended to Israel and Jesus, it would have been someone else. IOW different names. Your argument is base on names. The reality is that God could have used any one or group of people. Bottom line it still would have been God's Son Who redeems mankind. Redemption was the plan from before creation.

I don't know because you most likely won't state, but do you worship in the synagogue with Jews and do they preach Jesus Christ and salvation by grace? You're only rage is against Christians because they don't serve your God.

The verse you quoted isn't a call to attend the synagogue and practice Judaism. If you want to claim Christianity is a sect or form of Judaism be my guest. Jews don't like Christianity even though they benefit from it. From my personal interaction with Jews they think Christians are trying to convert them. So the evidence is Christianity isn't a sect of Judaism. Do you not read what was happening to Jews who accepted Jesus and followed Him in the Scripture? They don't like their members marrying non Jews for this reason. They even don't like a male gentile going through the rites of becoming a Jew to men who want to marry their women.

Yes Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18 are in the OT. What is your point concerning them? Do you think I don't believe them? Are you trying to say Jesus Isn't God? The Deut 6:5 is part of the reason Jews don't accept Jesus as their Messiah. Another part is they were looking for a government ruler delivering them from oppression caused by themselves.

This leaves me wondering if you read my post. This is a response to your very first sentence. Please examine each post and respond properly. Thanks.

 

[ace of hearts]

I just came across this thread today, and I've not read all the way through it (yet) - but this comment stopped me in my tracks and I wanted to comment before I read further:


What?

ISTM that you're divorcing Jesus from God and the whole Old Testament. When the phrase "the law" is used....that pertains to the Pentateuch (the first 5 books of the Bible) not the ten commandments. Remember when Jesus said,

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose." ~ Matthew 5:17

....and remember what John wrote?

John 1:1 ~ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God​

What does the word "fulfill" mean to you? Did Jesus accomplish this task? I think He is represented as saying He did here-

LK 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Yes I remember what John wrote in JN 1:1. I also read the whole Bible and find -

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Since you quoted John -

JN 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Quite possibly you might have problems with who did what when it come so creation. It's commonly taught Jesus created the earth. Is that true? No See Rev 4 and 5. Note Who sits on the throne and what He does.

Since this is an issue, I need you to identify the different set of commandments in JN 15:10. For your convenience -

If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Also please note John says the law was given through Moses and contrasts that to what Jesus did.

Then deal with -

LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

 

[ace of hearts]

John 13:34 ~ So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.

John 15:9 ~ 9 “I have loved you even as the Father has loved me. Remain in my love."​

Neither of these are found in the OT. So Jesus is teaching something besides the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

It's more than just names. There is a lot of profound glory in how God fulfilled His promises. I don't know if you've ever heard of Bible Study Fellowship? If you haven't.....here's a link: Comprehensive Bible Studies Around the World | Bible Study Fellowship

They happen to be doing a study now (classes are conducted all across the globe) called People of the Promises Land. This blogger has summarized a lot of it (along with sharing her answers to the questions): AtoZMom's Blog

I think you miss both what I said and God's purpose in creating mankind. Thank you for the invitation. If you want to discuss what is going on in the Bible study or the blogger, post it here and we can talk about it.

 

[visionary]

 

[visionary]

Neither of these are found in the OT. So Jesus is teaching something besides the law.

John 15:9-17 [Full Chapter]
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. ...

 

[ace of hearts]

Our pastors under the New Covenant aren't obligated to the previous covenant of law, therefore they only break your traditions concerning them. There is no violation of the law (sin) on their part.

 

[ace of hearts]

John 15:9-17 [Full Chapter]
As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. ...

I ask you what commandments are you trying to keep. Are they the commandments of Jesus or what is called the law of Moses by general Christianity? Your charge is failure to obey a covenant or part of a covenant that has no jurisdiction over Christians. Therefore there is no sin. The law brings no joy.