What commandments is Jesus talking about?

[Tone]

Evidence? Yes, the NT! Yes the Apostles were adherents of Judaism...THEY WERE JEWS! You can NOT separate Christianity and Judaism as if Christianity came from a vacuum! That is just silly!

What I have come to understand is, everything is in a vacuum with these guys...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

What I have come to understand is, everything is in a vacuum with these guys...

It would seem so

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

To establish you point you need to back it up with something or it's only personal opinion. All you have so far is a claim based on hot air making lots of noise.

I said Romans 11...YOU said it is misrepresented...so make your case!

 

[Tone]

It would seem so

I have decided to not let them suck me in.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Obedience to the law has nothing to do with salvation. One can't obtain or maintain salvation by the law. The wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life. A gift can't be earned.

See there you go again, implying my position where I have made no such position...

 

[BABerean2]

Actually the Yeshuas (there are more than one in the Talmud) could not be the Yeshua of Christianity, the timeline for one was 100 BC while the other is 100 AD.
BTW, I quoted Hillel. Paul's teacher was Gamaliel.

Do you ever use the Babylonian Talmud as your source of truth?

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[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Do you ever use the Babylonian Talmud as your source of truth?

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I will use it as a source if I need to. Truth? As in scripture...no.

 

[BABerean2]

I will use it as a source if I need to.

The man in the video below also quotes from the Babylonian Talmud.

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[BNR32FAN]

TORAH is not based on morality. That is man's faulty way of thinking or seeing things , and wrongly so.

God did not set the standard for morality. Morality is man's way of thinking, and God's Way is high above man's way. You might recognize that "morality" as used by society/ courts/ countries / religions (including 'Christianity') is kind of 'new age', and not actually Biblical.

It depends on what a person considers to be moral. From my perspective God’s commandments define what morality is. Man’s concept of the idea is skewed and falls short of God’s standards. I rely on God to tell me what’s right and wrong not man.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It depends on what a person considers to be moral.

Remember God's Word tells us NOT to lean on our own understanding.

I rely on God to tell me what’s right and wrong not man.

This is good or almost good - this is true - what God says is right is right, period.

This has nothing to do with man's understanding nor morality of men, which is earthly/ fleshly/ carnal. Men continue in sin if they define by their own understanding morality, and the enemy knows this, so he gets men to do it all the time.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The man in the video below also quotes from the Babylonian Talmud.

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Yeah so. I posted a quote from Hillel. Rabbinic Jews also quote from the OT, does that mean I can't?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I will use it as a source if I need to. Truth? As in scripture...no.

Without seeing the previous contexts/posts,
without needing to for the point here:

if the source is not Yahweh , from heaven, then it is not a good source and not to be leaned upon nor trusted.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Without seeing the previous contexts/posts,
without needing to for the point here:

if the source is not Yahweh , from heaven, then it is not a good source and not to be leaned upon nor trusted.

I just posted a quote from Hillel basically the "Golden Rule". There are many historical sources not from heaven...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The man in the video below also quotes from the Babylonian Talmud.

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He quotes from it but he is wrong regarding the interpretation of those quotes, just like some preachers out there....

 

[Saint Steven]

To the pharisees He said: You say you follow Moses...If you follow Moses you would follow me because Moses spoke of me. The gentiles had no such thing unless they were converts to Judaism...

That's an incredibly myopic point of view.

 

[Saint Steven]

And yet the law actually requires Jews to worship on the sabbath. Where did God command us to worship on the sabbath? This is just one example. According to the Pharisees it was also against the law to heal on the sabbath. Again this was an addition to God’s commandment that God did not give otherwise Jesus would’ve been guilty of sin for healing on the sabbath. The Mosaic law and the actual commandments of God are not the same thing. The Jews added stipulations to God’s commandments when they wrote the law.

What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath? (work)
And what did Jesus say in this regard? (in reference to healing)

John 5:16-18
So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I just posted a quote from Hillel basically the "Golden Rule". There are many historical sources not from heaven...

Yes there are. Yahweh says avoid them, and never study the ways of pagans.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

What is the most basic violation of the Sabbath? (work)

No.
Look again. (IN SCRIPTURE) Isaiah somewhere.....

 

[Saint Steven]

LOL, literally the entire NT transpires within Israel and the Jewish people...to say otherwise just makes you look ignorant

I guess you have some serious issues with geography too.
Check a map for these locations:
Rome, Corinth, Ephesus, Galatia, Philippi, Colossi...

 

[Saint Steven]

And they went out, and preached that men should repent.

repent

G3340


G3340


Lemma:

μετανοέω


Transliteration:

metanoéō


Pronounce:

met-an-o-eh'-o


Part of Speech:

Verb


Language:

greek


Description:

1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent

2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness." (F. F. Bruce. The Acts of the Apostles [Greek Text Commentary], London: Tyndale, 1952, p. 97.)


Grammar:

from μετά and νοιέω; to think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider (morally, feel compunction):--repent.

The question remains.
How is remorse measured?

Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)
Could you have been more remorseful? (of course)
Were you remorseful enough? (who knows?)