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Featured What can be done to avoid civil war?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by dad, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. Light of the East

    Light of the East Orthodox Inquirer Supporter

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    Yeah, well, I'm not a right-winger or a political junkie, but occasionally I listen to right-wing radio. It's just too easy for the right-wing DJ's to use the Demoncrats own words against them to show that they are (along with the faux media) lying through their teeth.

    PS Rethuglicans lie every bit as much as Demoncrats (remember George Bush's lies that started the 17 year debacle/war in the Middle East?). I just posted that to respond to what I considered a smarty-pants response by FireDragon 76 and the recent circus regarding the Supreme Court nomination.
     
  2. Light of the East

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    Well, yes. Unfortunately, that would mean that our non-Christian nation would actually have to do something it has never done before - actually living the Christian life.

    Nope.

    Short of a real revival of truth, it ain't gonna happen.
     
  3. pat34lee

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    And a day where last minute smears without merit
    are not brought forward would be even better.
     
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  4. Light of the East

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    When you get your head screwed on straight, look up all the evidence that Judge Kavanaugh was the victim of a well-defined, vicious assault based on nothing more than a fictitious story. It's out there for anyone who wants to see it. You just don't want to see it.

    And yes, the Rethuglicans are every bit as bad as the Demoncrats (you get the sense I spit on both political parties as world-class liars?) Think George Bush and his lies that dragged us into a non-stop war, very profitable for the corporations in America, very bad for the people in the Middle East.
     
  5. pat34lee

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    You mean drop off the left end of the political spectrum
    due to the loss of conservatives.
    That is nothing like normal. It is pretty much the opposite.
    Pray it doesn't happen. If it does and you get your wish,
    you will find out how bad things can get, just like Venezuela.
     
  6. Light of the East

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    Supposedly late term abortions??

    Good grief, what planet are you living on???

    Does the name Kermit Gosnell mean anything to you????
     
  7. childeye 2

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    Respectfully, if we're not gathering, we're scattering.
     
  8. GoldenKingGaze

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    This thread will need a post in the OP of a link to an article or it may end up in the junk drawer.
     
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  9. Silmarien

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    I'm not happy about what happened with the confirmation hearing. I'm against the politicization of sexual abuse and feel like the Democrats are playing a manipulation game in the aftermath. I'll vote for them anyway, though, because if they get too hypocritical, the base will get rid of them.

    But you can't talk about any of the issues that have modern progressives so riled up without people pulling the snowflake card or telling you that you're making things up. This is not good for dialogue, and it's become institutionalized on the right.
     
  10. GoldenKingGaze

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    If there is a civil war, will the loser accept defeat? What are the options? It matters that if there is fighting, it best be prevented, but if it can't be prevented, how can it be stopped? The bad ones are the neo communists, people who actually sympathize with NK and the old USSR. Mao and aspects of Nazism. They even do not like democracy. Putting obstacles in the way of Trump and other governors they do not agree with, like a tantrum. They will not let the system go unless they get what they want. "If I can't win, no one can."
     
  11. RestoreTheJoy

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    Both sides need to stop doing this.

    You are right that pro-life people should not be approaching abortion advocates this way.

    Nor should anyone be screaming at anyone who disagrees with them. Disagreement is NOT "hate". These are not synonymous terms, as rational people understand.
     
  12. RestoreTheJoy

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    It is institutionalized on the left too. You can't even discuss same sex marriage, for example, without getting screamed at if you don't happen to have the same views.
     
  13. WilliamBo

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    It's all in the hands of God, God is ultimately in control
     
  14. 2Timothy2:15

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    A day when people are still innocent until proven guilty in a court with a jury of peers as opposed to public opinion would be nice....oh wait that is what happened, nvm.
     
  15. Hank77

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    Whoa, we have gone off coarse from my first post. Follow the trail...:)

    My post was about having dialogue and what I see is part of the reason we don't have dialogue.
    Do you see what I'm getting at?
     
  16. Hank77

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    I didn't say that late term abortions don't happen. Try reading my post again.
     
  17. Silmarien

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    Latinos tend to lean socially conservative, though in a different sense than the Trump crowd. More fiscally liberal, but if they're fleeing failed states like Venezuela, they're more likely to be critical of socialism than American liberals.

    I don't think conservativism is going anywhere. It should get more diverse in the coming decades, though.

    Well, the first thing to ask is how precisely you're approaching the question of same-sex marriage. If a conservative can approach it respectfully and listen to respectful objections from the opposition, then discussion is theoretically possible. But this seldom happens.

    I won't pretend that there aren't problems on the left. Even as a liberal, you'll get screamed at for not having the same exact views. Both sides have some serious issues with moral accountability, and neither really wants to admit it.
     
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  18. zippy2006

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    You can see the flip side in post #3, which apparently occasioned it.

    It seems to me that the key is to stop talking about "the other side" monolithically. The political extremists are incapable of dialogue (and rational thought) and it has always been that way even if the proportions are now shifting. The moderates from the different sides are the ones who dialogue, and I see no other way forward.

    My theory is that social media polarizes the sides by creating echo chambers and highlighting the opposing extremists. And it's natural to attack the weakest point, so even intelligent political commentators inevitably add to this. A core problem, which seems to me to be especially present on the Left, is the elevation of pathos far above logos. Such an emphasis precludes dialogue.

    Another issue: there needs to be more representative media coverage. The Right is underrepresented. I think this creates all sorts of problems and I hope it gets sorted. Kudos to the Left for mobilizing into those channels more effectively, but it's not a healthy long-term state for the country.
     
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  19. dqhall

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    Dr. Ford got so many death threats, she had to move out of her house. The Russian hackers broke into the DNC and published the address and phone number information of leading Democrats online. They were looking for dirt they could use to embarrass Democrats with. Trump cheered them on. At Charlottesville a Republican Alt-Right protester killed one and injured 15.

    I was a kid growing up in the DC area during the Vietnam War era anti-war protests. Young men did not want to be drafted to fight and get killed for some corporation's Vietnamese rubber plantation. They were in the streets loud and carrying signs. One time they tried to topple the national Christmas tree, but the police stopped them. Another time 100,000 protesters marched on the Pentagon and tried to "levitate it," by metaphysics.

    The nation was divided about the war, but did not turn their guns on each other. Eventually the war was over. The US military evacuated leaving behind valuable weapons and equipment. Years later some veterans returned to Vietnam to help clear mine fields. Senator McCain went back to try to normalize relations between the US and Vietnam. Some Vietnamese who fled Vietnam at the end of the war are living in America.
     
  20. FireDragon76

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    I guess our life experiences differ because I haven't encountered that much of this sort of thing, compared to how much evangelicals demonize progressives and liberals.
     
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