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Featured What can be done to avoid civil war?

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by dad, Oct 7, 2018.

  1. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    We can't have a civil war like the first one because the differences are not regional. These are differences within neighborhoods for the most part, so it will end up neighbor killing neighbor, neighborhood gangs and countergangs, firebombings, snipers. No armies with uniforms, unless the government goes totalitarian for one side, as is distinctly possible. But whatever happens, the US Civil War will not be the model. Some other country would have a more likely model for what is starting up here. The French Revolution? Rwanda? Mexico?
     
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  2. Silmarien

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    Well, I'm thinking more in terms of intellectual movements. I've been following people in the Feser circle for a while now, and it's becoming clear to me that in the very act of denying that power structures exist, they're further contributing to them. Honestly, there are mechanisms in the academia on both sides that shut down debate, but I tend to be hyper-critical of the left while ignoring the even deeper institutional problems on the right. (Deeper, because they refuse to admit that any such thing could exist at all!) I got called out on this by a very liberal friend of mine yesterday, actually.

    Yeah, I have no contact with Evangelicalism, which is good, because I'm basically The Enemy. My background is East Coast secular liberal intelligentsia, specifically gender studies groups and leftist legal advocacy. It can be rough, particularly the former, though I don't think as bad as the alternative until perhaps you hit the hardcore Marxist circles.
     
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  3. Silmarien

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    You'd need the complete collapse of the state to end up with the sort of perfect storm that could lead to something like the French Revolution. If we're looking at anything along those lines, it'll probably be more of a Bolshevik Revolution.
     
  4. MMDave3

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    You're right, the differences aren't regional, and as much as the media tries to spin the "red state/blue state" narrative, that's hogwash as well. It's almost more of a "rural vs. urban" type of divide, but even that's simplifying things. I think it could possibly look like what happened in the Balkan countries. At any rate, I pray nothing like this ever happens, and on the bright side, I don't think things are as bad as the news outlets would have us believe. At least so far.
     
  5. AlexDTX

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    Yes. Arrest George Soros and his family.
     
  6. Albion

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    I have the feeling that it would be stopped or very much reduced if the police agencies and courts were to do their jobs.

    As it is now, Antifa and all manner of new protest organizations, marchers, and so on can threaten death or bodily injury, destroy property, start fires, attack bystanders, trespass, and all manner of actions that are actually against the law...and get a slap on the wrist if they are unlucky enough to be one of the token people chosen out of the crowd to be arrested.
     
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  7. chevyontheriver

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    I wouldn't have thought them so bad before the Kavanaugh thing. But the spittle flecked rabid responses about his nomination make me wonder. It has been a powerful polarizer. A few more events like that and we're there already.
     
  8. chevyontheriver

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    Bolshevik or maybe something like the Mexican Cristero War only a few years after the Russian revolution.
     
  9. dad

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    The US civil war need not be the model.
    How about Syria?
     
  10. dad

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    Widespread insurrection?
     
  11. dad

    dad On the winning side Supporter

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    That may be the tip of the iceberg
     
  12. dad

    dad On the winning side Supporter

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    If babies are killed by a state that is supposed to be the good guys...would God protect them?
     
  13. John 12:25

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    Best way to avoid civil war would be for the cultural marxists (antifa cult, BLM cult, lgbt cult, feminazis, communists, etc) to simply leave America, and go to a nation that embraces their politics. America was not founded on their ‘values’ nor was any other successful nation. There’s nations out there which embrace leftism and leftist doctrine. Venezuela, People’s Republic of the Congo, China, South Africa..these are just a few of the options leftist have where they can work towards their agendas without any opposition.

    But the thing about leftists is that they embrace conflict and strive to force their ways on to others. They want civil war, particularly extremists like the antifa cult. They want to push themselves and their policies down people’s throats and outlaw any opposition to their doctrines.

    They aren’t happy here. They are insanely poor losers when elections don’t go in their favor. They passionately hate the principles that America was founded on such as free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of expression and association, innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, meritocracy..hardcore leftists want to restrict if not totally eliminate the freedom of their opposition, and it isn’t right at all. They should just relocate somewhere that they’d be a better fit.

    Clearly, the best way to avoid civil war would be for the leftists to relocate to one of the various nations that embrace their brand of politics rather than continue to push and force their ways on to a country that was in no way shape or form founded on their doctrines.

    It is not a coincidence that rising leftism is ALWAYS followed by more crime, more violence, more degeneracy, more welfare dependence, more poverty, more civil unrest, more resentment, lower standards, and many other nation-wrecking attributes.
     
  14. section9+1

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    If people get arrested for breaking laws at these protests and the police have enough reason to incarcerate, putting them in jail for a day seems like they're just making heroes.
    I know how to hurt Americans. Hit them in the pocket book instead. Making fines so prohibitively high accomplished two things. It brings in money and it discourages bad behavior. A few hours in jail is useless.
    As for stopping a war, I don't know.
     
  15. dad

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    Not gonna happen.
     
  16. chevyontheriver

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    The Syrian model is closer. But there I think it is neighborhood against neighborhood. Here looks like it will be some of that but some simple neighbor against neighbor.
     
  17. John 12:25

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    Right, which reinforces my point that hardcore leftists feel obligated to push and force their ways on to others. They embrace conflict..’crybully’ descibes extreme leftists to perfection.
     
  18. Silmarien

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    Leftist coup, rightist military coup, populist uprising... the sky is the limit, really.

    Though to be serious, I don't think the left is in a place right now where it would do more than perhaps idealize the idea of bloody revolution. Trying to shut down society via protest, on the other hand, is definitely in the cards, though organizing the left is very much like trying to herd cats.

    Worst case scenario with the populism on the right seems to be a dictatorship right now, but I don't think that's too likely. Trump might idolize dictators but he's not cunning or politically savvy enough to pull it off, so I'm not really worried about any of the doomsday scenarios right now. (Well, except for the actual nuclear doomsday scenario.)

    Do you really think so? It seems to me that you need an echo chamber to end up with real radicalization, and I don't see that happening where there's actual contact between different points of view.
     
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  19. Richard T

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    Time is a great healer but many are too impatient to wait (and sometimes they are right). Prayer, the knowledge of God and repentance will heal America. A liberal and godless agenda pushed down our throats will not.
     
  20. eleos1954

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    Pray for the Lord to come back and take us home.
     
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