What are your thoughts on this?

[Bradskii]

What do you think I have been saying? Do you read my posts before responding? Given some of the things you accuse me of I truly wonder.

Well, every link you've put up says the same thing. That schools sometimes are required to respect the privacy of the pupil. Except that some of the articles you posted were spinning it to make it seem like it was the schools who were making that decision. This article actually links to a document that explains it very well indeed.

Again, I can see parents being upset that the school must do this. But I would say that it's a moral requirement as well as a legal one.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, every link you've put up says the same thing. That schools sometimes are required to respect the privacy of the pupil. Except that some of the articles you posted were spinning it to make it seem like it was the schools who were making that decision. This article actually links to a document that explains it very well indeed.

Again, I can see parents being upset that the school must do this. But I would say that it's a moral requirement as well as a legal one.

And I have been pointing out that it’s going on. Yes parents are upset. There’s not any other situation that requires schools to withhold medical information about a minor child from their parents as far as I can tell.

 

[Bradskii]

And I have been pointing out that it’s going on. Yes parents are upset. There’s not any other situation that requires schools to withhold medical information about a minor child from their parents as far as I can tell.

You seem reluctant to let this go...I mean, the horse is dead. Why are you still beating it?

There aren't any medical procedures being carried out without the parent's knowledge. If you can find an example then we can both complain about it.

 

[BPPLEE]

You seem reluctant to let this go...I mean, the horse is dead. Why are you still beating it?

There aren't any medical procedures being carried out without the parent's knowledge. If you can find an example then we can both complain about it.

There you go again. I didn’t say anything about medical procedures. Please read my post before responding. Let me help you, it says medical INFORMATION

 

[Bradskii]

There you go again. I didn’t say anything about medical procedures. Please read my post before responding. Let me help you, it says medical INFORMATION

It's not a medical illness. It's not a disease. It's a psychological condition.

'Transgender is a non-medical term that has been used increasingly since the 1990s': Gender Dysphoria

So there is no medical information because no procedures have been carried out. There can obviously be medical procedures at some point, but they won't have anything to do with schools. That will be for the person involved, their parents and their doctors. Medical information must be passed on to parents in an emergency situation. Otherwise, the pupil decides. Do you think that these laws, on the books for over 50 years, were specifically designed to prevent parents accessing information regarding transgender problems that their children may be experiencing?

Whatever the pupil discusses with anyone in the school, and I mean anything, with the exceptions as noted, will be private and remain private should the pupil so request. Period.

 

[BPPLEE]

It's not a medical illness. It's not a disease. It's a psychological condition.

'Transgender is a non-medical term that has been used increasingly since the 1990s': Gender Dysphoria

So there is no medical information because no procedures have been carried out. There can obviously be medical procedures at some point, but they won't have anything to do with schools. That will be for the person involved, their parents and their doctors. Medical information must be passed on to parents in an emergency situation. Otherwise, the pupil decides. Do you think that these laws, on the books for over 50 years, were specifically designed to prevent parents accessing information regarding transgender problems that their children may be experiencing?

Whatever the pupil discusses with anyone in the school, and I mean anything, with the exceptions as noted, will be private and remain private should the pupil so request. Period.

Gender dysphoria - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Bradskii]

Gender dysphoria - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It says it's a psychological condition causing distress. And from Cornell: Definition: Medical condition from 5 CFR § 339.104 | LII / Legal Information Institute.

Medical condition means a health impairment which results from birth, injury or disease, including mental disorder.

And it's already been explained to you that it's not a mental disorder. See here if you've forgotten: Transgender: Gender Dysphoria and Ensuring Mental Health

 

[BPPLEE]

It says it's a psychological condition causing distress. And from Cornell: Definition: Medical condition from 5 CFR § 339.104 | LII / Legal Information Institute.

Medical condition means a health impairment which results from birth, injury or disease, including mental disorder.

And it's already been explained to you that it's not a mental disorder. See here if you've forgotten: Transgender: Gender Dysphoria and Ensuring Mental Health

I didn’t say it was a mental disorder. Don’t you get tired of trying to put words in my mouth?

 

[Bradskii]

I didn’t say it was a mental disorder. Don’t you get tired of trying to put words in my mouth?

Then you know it's not a medical condition as I've just shown, so there'd be no medical information.

 

[BPPLEE]

Then you know it's not a medical condition as I've just shown, so there'd be no medical information.

Then why is it treated with medication? Sounds like malpractice to give medication to people who don’t have a medical condition

 

[BPPLEE]

Then why is it treated with medication? Sounds like malpractice to give medication to people who don’t have a medical condition

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[BPPLEE]

It says it's a psychological condition causing distress. And from Cornell: Definition: Medical condition from 5 CFR § 339.104 | LII / Legal Information Institute.

Medical condition means a health impairment which results from birth, injury or disease, including mental disorder.

And it's already been explained to you that it's not a mental disorder. See here if you've forgotten: Transgender: Gender Dysphoria and Ensuring Mental Health

A psychological condition need not be treated with puberty blockers and surgery

 

[Bradskii]

Then why is it treated with medication? Sounds like malpractice to give medication to people who don’t have a medical condition

We'll go with the American useage of medication: any substance used to treat an illness or disease, esp. a drug. medication

That is most definitely the definition I would use. So no, any transgender person is not being treated for an illness or a disease.

And you've forgotten that we were talking about schools and their position regarding the release of information. Medical information. You've been shown it doesn't apply. So now that's done and dusted you want to play semantics instead?

 

[Bradskii]

A psychological condition need not be treated with puberty blockers and surgery

No. It need not. But whether they are or not would depend on the individual case.

 

[BPPLEE]

We'll go with the American useage of medication: any substance used to treat an illness or disease, esp. a drug. medication

That is most definitely the definition I would use. So no, any transgender person is not being treated for an illness or a disease.

And you've forgotten that we were talking about schools and their position regarding the release of information. Medical information. You've been shown it doesn't apply. So now that's done and dusted you want to play semantics instead?

It’s just a way to skirt around the issue. You say it’s not a medical condition so there’s no medical information. Then you say it’s a psychological condition.
If it’s a psychological condition would the school also keep it from the parents that their child was schizophrenic?

 

[BPPLEE]

We'll go with the American useage of medication: any substance used to treat an illness or disease, esp. a drug. medication

That is most definitely the definition I would use. So no, any transgender person is not being treated for an illness or a disease.

And you've forgotten that we were talking about schools and their position regarding the release of information. Medical information. You've been shown it doesn't apply. So now that's done and dusted you want to play semantics instead?

I’m trying to show that it’s not cut and dried, it’s a complicated issue and parents have a right to know what is going on with their minor children. If a judge ruled that the school didn’t have to tell me I would appeal and keep appealing until it got to the Supreme Court.

 

[Bradskii]

It’s just a way to skirt around the issue. You say it’s not a medical condition so there’s no medical information. Then you say it’s a psychological condition.
If it’s a psychological condition would the school also keep it from the parents that their child was schizophrenic?

Schizophrenia is an illness. Do you think any school would be qualified in diagnosing it? They might deal with some of the symptoms and the person involved might request privacy regarding those symptoms. Which might well be granted, as you know, because the exceptions have been explained to you.

 

[Bradskii]

I’m trying to show that it’s not cut and dried...

No-one has said that problems with transgenderism are.

...it’s a complicated issue and parents have a right to know what is going on with their minor children.

And any given pupil has a right to ask that they are not told. With exceptions as noted. What you need to address is why the pupil might request that the parents not be told. But let me give you a heads up. If they had come to this forum because perhaps they were Christian and were looking for some anonymous help and they read threads like this, then the chances of them not wanting their problems made generally known would, I would suggest, greatly increase.

You're looking for solutions without understanding that threads like this, a lot of comments in them and the attitudes exhibited are part of the problem.

If a judge ruled that the school didn’t have to tell me I would appeal and keep appealing until it got to the Supreme Court.

The judge has to follow the same laws as you and the school does. You can't make exceptions just because you don't like the idea of one aspect of it.

 

[BPPLEE]

Schizophrenia is an illness. Do you think any school would be qualified in diagnosing it? They might deal with some of the symptoms and the person involved might request privacy regarding those symptoms. Which might well be granted, as you know, because the exceptions have been explained to you.

It is a psychotic condition. I’m not sure how that compares to a psychological condition.

 

[BPPLEE]

No-one has said that problems with transgenderism are.

And any given pupil has a right to ask that they are not told. With exceptions as noted. What you need to address is why the pupil might request that the parents not be told. But let me give you a heads up. If they had come to this forum because perhaps they were Christian and were looking for some anonymous help and they read threads like this, then the chances of them not wanting their problems made generally known would, I would suggest, greatly increase.

You're looking for solutions without understanding that threads like this, a lot of comments in them and the attitudes exhibited are part of the problem.

The judge has to follow the same laws as you and the school does. You can't make exceptions just because you don't like the idea of one aspect of it.

There is such a thing as parental rights and judges decisions can be reversed. The judge is not the final authority.
And if a kid doesn’t want his/her gender identity generally known, why go by different names and pronouns at school? Doesn’t that make it generally known? ( By everyone but the parents anyway)
And if a kid came to this forum for Christian advice he would be overwhelmed by all the non Christians on a Christian forum.
I don’t try to tell you how to be an atheist do I?