What are your thoughts on this?

[Whyayeman]

Obviously some people are bad parents but you can’t punish all parents because of a few.
Oh wait, that’s the liberal answer to all problems.

That is just snide.

And this:

Proselytizing are we?

 

[BPPLEE]

That is just snide.

And this:

It’s the same approach as gun control

 

[BPPLEE]

At least 168 districts governing 5,904 schools nationwide have rules on the books that prevent faculty and staff from disclosing to parents a student’s gender status without that student’s permission, according to a list compiled by the conservative group Parents Defending Education

 

[Bradskii]

At least 168 districts governing 5,904 schools nationwide have rules on the books that prevent faculty and staff from disclosing to parents a student’s gender status without that student’s permission, according to a list compiled by the conservative group Parents Defending Education

Yet again, we see you promoting a view, in this case by the PDE, that it's a decision made by the schools to hide discussions about transgenderism. It isn't. You keep being told that and you keep doing your very best to ignore it.

The law that prevents them from releasing any info, if so requested by the pupil, is a federal one. So if it's a public school, they are all obliged to follow it. They don't need it on the books.

More nonsense...

 

[BPPLEE]

Yet again, we see you promoting a view, in this case by the PDE, that it's a decision made by the schools to hide discussions about transgenderism. It isn't. You keep being told that and you keep doing your very best to ignore it.

The law that prevents them from releasing any info, if so requested by the pupil, is a federal one. So if it's a public school, they are all obliged to follow it. They don't need it on the books.

More nonsense...

What does that say? The schools can’t release the information without the students’ permission .Is that true or false?

 

[Bradskii]

What does that say? The schools can’t release the information without the students’ permission .Is that true or false?

What the article says is that some schools note their inability to share information with parents if the student so demands. It is written in a way that makes it look as if those schools are instigating this. And they actually ask parents that if they know of any school not listed who do the same then contact them so they can add the name to the list.

Hey, why don't you contact them and tell what you know?* That all schools are obliged to follow federal law in not releasing personal info. They should be listing every public school in the country. Gee, it'll save them some time adding names one by one. I'm sure they'll thank you.

It's a farcically inept means to try to suggest that schools are the instigators. And you've posted that link to the same end. And when called on it, you throw up your hands and say 'well gee, it's not untrue that they can't release the info is it'.

Please, give yourself a break. Take it from me that it doesn't look good for you trying this tactic every few posts when anyone who has read the thread and has the facts can see what you are doing.

*No need. I already did it. I'll be sure to let you know if they respond.

 

[BPPLEE]

What the article says is that some schools note their inability to share information with parents if the student so demands. It is written in a way that makes it look as if those schools are instigating this. And they actually ask parents that if they know of any school not listed who do the same then contact them so they can add the name to the list.

Hey, why don't you contact them and tell what you know? That all schools are obliged to follow federal law in not releasing personal info. They should be listing every public school in the country. Gee, it'll save them some time adding names one by one. I'm sure they'll thank you.

It's a farcically inept means to try to suggest that schools are the instigators. And you've posted that link to the same end. And when called on it, you throw up your hands and say 'well gee, it's not untrue that they can't release the info is it'.

Please, give yourself a break. Take it from me that it doesn't look good for you trying this tactic every few posts when anyone who has read the thread and has the facts can see what you are doing.

It makes no difference to me why the school can’t release the information, just that they can’t.
There are instances in which HIPAA protects minors health information such as contraception, treatment for STDs, and some other exceptions that health care providers don’t have to share with parents.
I understand that some children don’t want their parents to know that they are transitioning at their schools, but they are called minors for a reason. We assume that there are many things that minors are not mature enough to make decisions about. Regardless of the current law this is an issue of parental rights. It’s not as cut and dried as you make it out to be.

Are Teachers Obliged to Tell Parents Their Child Might Be Trans? Courts May Soon Decide

Some administrators say outing a student could lead to child abuse or self-harm. Parents in court filings say they have a right to know.

www.edweek.org

 

[Bradskii]

It makes no difference to me why the school can’t release the information...

Yes it does. Because you've been implying that the schools are instigating this and are at fault. Exactly what PDE were doing.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes it does. Because you've been implying that the schools are instigating this and are at fault. Exactly what PDE were doing.

No it doesn’t. Read my posts. I said school officials may feel that their hands are tied. Read the last article I posted.
I’m implying that it’s going on, I don’t care about the reason or who’s to blame.

 

[Bradskii]

No it doesn’t. Read my posts. I said school officials may feel that their hands are tied. Read the last article I posted.

Yes it does. Because firstly, if people know that the schools aren't secretly instigating this and are actually obliged to keep discussions with a student private if that student requests by federal law, then they won't hold the school accountable. Which so many people are trying to do. And secondly they will realise that it's almost certainly the parents' attitudes to this matter that makes the student want to keep the info from them.

And from that they can see where the problem lies.

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes it does. Because firstly, if people know that the schools aren't secretly instigating this and are actually obliged to keep discussions with a student private if that student requests by federal law, then they won't hold the school accountable. Which so many people are trying to do. And secondly they will realise that it's almost certainly the parents' attitudes to this matter that makes the student want to keep the info from them.

And from that they can see where the problem lies.

You can’t apply that to every case. You are punishing all parents for the actions of some.
From the time I started posting about this my point was that it is happening. I don’t care why it’s happening just that it is happening and parents need to be aware
Maybe you think minor children can make decisions like this without their parents knowledge so where does it stop? Do we also let them consent to sex?

 

[Bradskii]

You can’t apply that to every case. You are punishing all parents for the actions of some.
From the time I started posting about this my point was that it is happening. I don’t care why it’s happening just that it is happening and parents need to be aware

I'm complaining about the ones who keep trying to convince others that this is some nefarious underground left wing secretive movement. When the reason for the lack on info is closer to home. No, is actually the home itself. They are deflecting from their own problems and trying to blame others.

 

[BPPLEE]

I'm complaining about the ones who keep trying to convince others that this is some nefarious underground left wing secretive movement. When the reason for the lack on info is closer to home. No, is actually the home itself. They are deflecting from their own problems and trying to blame others.

It’s not a secret. People are very open about wanting to teach gender identity and sexual orientation to 3 year olds and allow minors to transition without their parents knowledge. It’s not secretive at all
And when they write songs and post videos that are supposedly satire and march chanting “We’re here we’re queer and we’re coming for your children “it’s even more obvious . So it’s not a secretive movement at all.

 

[Whyayeman]

It’s not a secret. People are very open about wanting to teach gender identity and sexual orientation to 3 year olds and allow minors to transition without their parents knowledge. It’s not secretive at all
And when they write songs and post videos that are supposedly satire and march chanting “We’re here we’re queer and we’re coming for your children “it’s even more obvious . So it’s not a secretive movement at all.

Parents have rights, certainly, but so do children. On those unhappy occasions when parents are a threat to their children the children need protection from them. I think that is what lies behind the federal law protecting children's right to confidentiality. Children have to be able to communicate safely when their parents are a danger to them. The federal protection of children is not restricted to - or aimed at - the issue you are obsessed about.

Your claim is that parents' rights are limited. Of course they are. They always have been. In a civil society parents cannot do just anything they want with their children.

 

[BPPLEE]

Parents have rights, certainly, but so do children. On those unhappy occasions when parents are a threat to their children the children need protection from them. I think that is what lies behind the federal law protecting children's right to confidentiality. Children have to be able to communicate safely when their parents are a danger to them. The federal protection of children is not restricted to - or aimed at - the issue you are obsessed about.

Your claim is that parents' rights are limited. Of course they are. They always have been. In a civil society parents cannot do just anything they want with their children.

I have to agree with you but in this case it’s not easy to find a balance between protecting some children and the parents 14th amendment rights

 

[returntosender]

It's not all a lie. Have you ever heard of queer eye for the straight guy. There's a whole series about gays going after the innocent:'Queer Eye for the Straight Guy's OG Fab Five: Where Are They Now?. The blind that shall not see. How do you expect to fight for Jesus if you don't know the facts. I've known at least two sets of gays, men and women both recruiting

 

[Divide]

And you didn't even take the few seconds I took to show it was a cruel hoax.

Gay Men's Chorus dog-piled with death threats by vile QAnon conspiracy theorists

The San Francisco Gay Men's Chorus has been dog-piled with death threats by QAnon conspiracy theorists over a satirical song about teaching kids

www.thepinknews.com

All this does is show how easy people like yourself fall for these type of despicable acts. I'm up to the back teeth with people complaining about the 'lying msm' but this type of crud is sucked up without fail.

How about an apology to the members of that choir for posting such a thing?

Yeah but it being a hoax does not mean that they are not coming for your children.

 

[Whyayeman]

I have to agree with you but in this case it’s not easy to find a balance between protecting some children and the parents 14th amendment rights

Nobody says it is easy. One reason laws are put in place is to set a framework for the difficult judgments people have to make. The federal law under discussion here is one such. It need only be invoked in cases that require it.

Children who need to be protected from their parents' unreasonable demands are not in a good place. They need protection, not cant about parents' 'rights'.

Doctrinaire posturing such as I have observed on this thread and elsewhere on CF is at best unhelpful and in many cases hateful. Dark mutterings about a conspiracy to 'get at' children are as much motivated by hatred as by any wish to protect them.

 

[Ophiolite]

Yeah but it being a hoax does not mean that they are not coming for your children.

Nor does it mean they are. Perhaps it's better to make that assessment based upon facts, not upon prejudices.

 

[BPPLEE]

Nobody says it is easy. One reason laws are put in place is to set a framework for the difficult judgments people have to make. The federal law under discussion here is one such. It need only be invoked in cases that require it.

Children who need to be protected from their parents' unreasonable demands are not in a good place. They need protection, not cant about parents' 'rights'.

Doctrinaire posturing such as I have observed on this thread and elsewhere on CF is at best unhelpful and in many cases hateful. Dark mutterings about a conspiracy to 'get at' children are as much motivated by hatred as by any wish to protect them.

I agree in part but labeling disagreement as hate is just a tactic to poison the well of people who disagree with you