What are your thoughts on this?

[Bradskii]

The school cannot do that without the students permission, they are required to conceal the information from parents

Yes. At last you get it. The students have a right to privacy and the school in mandated to observe that right. It is a federal law. Nothing to do with any school or school board or individual teacher. If you find an example of where the law has been broken then that's exactly what you will have found. An example of someone breaking the law.

 

[BPPLEE]

Which, as I have already said, has been the process for close on half a century. And almost certainly longer. You're a bit late to the party to start complaining about the rights to privacy that students have.

I guess you were fine with it before. I have never seen a comment on it in the last umpteen years I've been on these type of forums. I guess it was fine then. But now there's something with which you disagree and that right disappears out of the nearest window. Maybe they have a right to privacy except when you say they shouldn't.

Again I ask, what other medical conditions are a school required to conceal from a minor child’s parents at the child’s request?

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes. At last you get it. The students have a right to privacy and the school in mandated to observe that right. It is a federal law. Nothing to do with any school or school board or individual teacher. If you find an example of where the law has been broken then that's exactly what you will have found. An example of someone breaking the law.

Again I ask what other medical conditions are a school required to conceal from a minor child’s parents at the child’s request?
Exactly what have the schools been keeping from parents for the last 50 years according to you?
And the law is exactly what I’m talking about, which forces schools to do something you said wasn’t happening

 

[Bradskii]

Transgenderism is a medical condition isn’t it? It’s treated with medication, counseling and surgery. Since when have schools been restricted from reporting medical conditions to parents? @Bradskii

If by counseling you mean discussing the problem with the student, then no - that is not a medical matter and if the student demands privacy then they get it. Without checking the specifics I seriously doubt that any school would be authorised to offer medication (other than painkillers or similar) and to suggest that they might be involved with surgery is completely nonsensical. And it has been explained to you two or three times, with quotes and links to the relevant documentation, what the exceptions are. You disagreeing with them is irrelevant.

Again, if someone is doing something they are not supposed to be doing, then that is an example of just that. Anyone would be justified in complaining about it, including me. But an individual example (which I'm sure you are eager to share) can't be used to suggest that there is a widespread problem.

 

[Bradskii]

Again I ask, what other medical conditions are a school required to conceal from a minor child’s parents at the child’s request?

You've been given the relevant documentation. It refers to emergency situations. And I have no idea what information any given school has kept private. Because....do I have to explain this? It's private.

 

[BPPLEE]

If by counseling you mean discussing the problem with the student, then no - that is not a medical matter and if the student demands privacy then they get it. Without checking the specifics I seriously doubt that any school would be authorised to offer medication (other than painkillers or similar) and to suggest that they might be involved with surgery is completely nonsensical. And it has been explained to you two or three times, with quotes and links to the relevant documentation, what the exceptions are. You disagreeing with them is irrelevant.

Again, if someone is doing something they are not supposed to be doing, then that is an example of just that. Anyone would be justified in complaining about it, including me. But an individual example (which I'm sure you are eager to share) can't be used to suggest that there is a widespread problem.

Gaslighting again. I didn’t say anything about schools offering surgery or medication. I said transgenderism is treated with medication and sometimes surgery which makes it a medical condition. The question is what other medical condition has a school ever been required to hide from a minor child’s parents at the child’s request or for any other reason?

 

[BPPLEE]

You've been given the relevant documentation. It refers to emergency situations. And I have no idea what information any given school has kept private. Because....do I have to explain this? It's private.

You can’t give one example can you. And what you are saying you provided concerns when information CAN be released to other parties (not parents exclusively) I’m asking you about when they CAN’T release information, You can’t give an example because this situation has rarely been a concern until being transgender became popular

 

[Bradskii]

You can’t give one example can you. And what you are saying you provided concerns when information CAN be released to other parties (not parents exclusively) I’m asking you about when they CAN’T release information, You can’t give an example because this situation has rarely been a concern until being transgender became popular.

Why are you asking for other examples? Your concern is with the fact that pupils can tell a school that they do not want private information about transgender discussions released to their parents. That's it. I'm not the slightest bit interested in running through every conceivable scenario and every medical problem. Not in the slightest.

You've been told what's happening and why. And you have been given links and quotes to help you understand the situation.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why are you asking for other examples? Your concern is with the fact that pupils can tell a school that they do not want private information about transgender discussions released to their parents. That's it. I'm not the slightest bit interested in running through every conceivable scenario and every medical problem. Not in the slightest.

You've been told what's happening and why. And you have been given links and quotes to help you understand the situation.

You mean the proof that you provided?
Proof that what I claimed is actually happening.
Something that you first said wasn’t happening,
Yes I understand perfectly well.what is happening.
Minor children are transitioning at their schools and the schools are hiding it from their parents.
Now you’ve brought up another issue. According to you schools are providing counseling for minors who are transitioning and hiding that from their parents

 

[Bradskii]

Minor children are transitioning at their schools and the schools are hiding it from their parents.

No, they are being refused permission to tell their parents. If you want to spin it like it sounds as if the school is the instigator then you be you.

Now you’ve brought up another issue. According to you schools are providing counseling for minors who are transitioning and hiding that from their parents

As in discussing a student's problems with them one on one? Yes, they do. Is the school 'hiding that'? They are being told, in some cases, that the pupil wants to keep the discussions private. As regards Australia, all students in all schools have access to a school councillor. From here: School counselling service

School counselling staff support students by providing a psychological counselling, assessment and intervention service.

The school counselling service works directly with students to help them with issues related to learning, peer and family relationships, and managing emotions such as depression, anxiety, worry or isolation.

The school counselling service includes school counsellors and school psychologists. Our school counselling staff are highly skilled and play a crucial role, in supporting children and young people to thrive and succeed at school, making a real difference in the lives of children and young people.

The NSW Department of Education currently employs over 1,200 school counselling staff working across all public schools from Pre-School to Year 12 across a diverse range of school settings in metropolitan, regional, rural and remote areas of New South Wales.

Every student has access to a school counsellor or a school psychologist.

I'm not sure that you guys have the same amount of access in your system, but you do have it. You should start a thread about it the need for more.

 

[BPPLEE]

No, they are being refused permission to tell their parents. If you want to spin it like it sounds as if the school is the instigator then you be you.

As in discussing a student's problems with them one on one? Yes, they do. Is the school 'hiding that'? They are being told, in some cases, that the pupil wants to keep the discussions private. As regards Australia, all students in all schools have access to a school councillor. From here: School counselling service

School counselling staff support students by providing a psychological counselling, assessment and intervention service.

The school counselling service works directly with students to help them with issues related to learning, peer and family relationships, and managing emotions such as depression, anxiety, worry or isolation.

The school counselling service includes school counsellors and school psychologists. Our school counselling staff are highly skilled and play a crucial role, in supporting children and young people to thrive and succeed at school, making a real difference in the lives of children and young people.

The NSW Department of Education currently employs over 1,200 school counselling staff working across all public schools from Pre-School to Year 12 across a diverse range of school settings in metropolitan, regional, rural and remote areas of New South Wales.

Every student has access to a school counsellor or a school psychologist.

I'm not sure that you guys have the same amount of access in your system, but you do have it. You should start a thread about it the need for more.

You should read my post you refused to discuss about a 15 year old girl getting an abortion without her parents knowing.
As to why it’s happening I’m not debating that.
I have only stated that it is happening.
Minor children are transitioning at their schools and the schools are hiding it from their parents.
I don’t care why. I have only been claiming that it’s happening (which you denied then inadvertently confirmed IS happening)
And minor students are receiving counseling about being transgender without their parents permission or knowledge. In fact, it is concealed from the parents

 

[Bradskii]

You should read my post you refused to discuss about a 15 year old girl getting an abortion without her parents knowing.
As to why it’s happening I’m not debating that.
I have only stated that it is happening.
Minor children are transitioning at their schools and the schools are hiding it from their parents.
I don’t care why. I have only been claiming that it’s happening (which you denied then inadvertently confirmed IS happening)
And minor students are receiving counseling about being transgender without their parents permission or knowledge. In fact, it is concealed from the parents

Well, we're not discussing abortion, so let's not start.

But your point has always been, and still is - so we're not under any illusions about this, that schools are intentionally hiding information from parents and that this is going on everywhere. It's there in the above quote. 'Hiding it from their parents'. When I think that any reasonable person would see from the documentation and quotes provided that they are legally obliged, if told by the student, not to reveal personal information to anyone.

They are not the instigators in this, which has obviously been your implication all through this thread.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, we're not discussing abortion, so let's not start.

But your point has always been, and still is - so we're not under any illusions about this, that schools are intentionally hiding information from parents and that this is going on everywhere. It's there in the above quote. 'Hiding it from their parents'. When I think that any reasonable person would see from the documentation and quotes provided that they are legally obliged, if told by the student, not to reveal personal information to anyone.

They are not the instigators in this, which has obviously been your implication all through this thread.

Stop gaslighting. I didn’t say they weren’t following the law. Again I don’t care WHY this is happening I have only been claiming IT IS HAPPENING, which you have confirmed.
And you can’t provide one example of the same thing happening with ANY OTHER medical condition.

 

[Bradskii]

Stop gaslighting. I didn’t say they weren’t following the law. Again I don’t care WHY this is happening I have only been claiming IT IS HAPPENING, which you have confirmed.
And you can’t provide one example of the same thing happening with ANY OTHER medical condition.

Why it is happening is the bone of contention. It's plainly happening because you've been posting umpteen links to stories about parents who don't like it. That has never been in dispute. But they, and you, and the articles to which you linked, at least some of the more right wing ones, have all been implying that schools in general have instigated this. They aren't. And now you know why they're not. And now you know why the parents are complaining - in some cases as you yourself have indicated without actually even having been involved in any matter involving privacy issues.

The WHY is critical. You wanted it to imply that WHY it was happening was because schools did it to purposely keep parents out of the loop. Now you know it's a legally mandated requirement for privacy.

 

[BPPLEE]

Why it is happening is the bone of contention. It's plainly happening because you've been posting umpteen links to stories about parents who don't like it. That has never been in dispute. But they, and you, and the articles to which you linked, at least some of the more right wing ones, have all been implying that schools in general have instigated this. They aren't. And now you know why they're not. And now you know why the parents are complaining - in some cases as you yourself have indicated without actually even having been involved in any matter involving privacy issues.

The WHY is critical. You wanted it to imply that WHY it was happening was because schools did it to purposely keep parents out of the loop. Now you know it's a legally mandated requirement for privacy.

Don’t attribute things to me that I never said. You’re not a mind reader.
If you had read my post way back, yesterday I think you would have known what I was claiming but you couldn’t trust that I could tell you what an article said
Again you put words in my mouth.
Stop gaslighting

 

[Bradskii]

Don’t attribute things to me that I never said. You’re not a mind reader.
If you had read my post way back, yesterday I think you would have known what I was claiming but you couldn’t trust that I could tell you what an article said

If you want me to comment on an article, I can only comment on ones that I can access. A summary doesn't cut it. I commented on all the ones I could and the less obviously biased ones have been dealt with in quite some detail. If you don't like what those details tell you then that's not really my problem.

Now if you have anything further to add that you haven't said many times already?

 

[BPPLEE]

If you want me to comment on an article, I can only comment on ones that I can access. A summary doesn't cut it. I commented on all the ones I could and the less obviously biased ones have been dealt with in quite some detail. If you don't like what those details tell you then that's not really my problem.

Now if you have anything further to add that you haven't said many times already?

I’ve been saying the same thing for two days.
Some people just can’t handle the truth

 

[BPPLEE]

If you want me to comment on an article, I can only comment on ones that I can access. A summary doesn't cut it. I commented on all the ones I could and the less obviously biased ones have been dealt with in quite some detail. If you don't like what those details tell you then that's not really my problem.

Now if you have anything further to add that you haven't said many times already?

State 'framework' says students may begin gender transition 'at school without parent/guardian knowledge'

CBS 6 is taking a close look at new guidance from the State Ed

cbs6albany.com

 

[Bradskii]

State 'framework' says students may begin gender transition 'at school without parent/guardian knowledge'

CBS 6 is taking a close look at new guidance from the State Ed

cbs6albany.com

What was the reason for posting that? It just confirms what I've been telling you. If I'd had knowledge of that particular document I would have actually shown it to you as confirmation of what I've been saying.

 

[BPPLEE]

What was the reason for posting that? It just confirms what I've been telling you. If I'd had knowledge of that particular document I would have actually shown it to you as confirmation of what I've been saying.

What do you think I have been saying? Do you read my posts before responding? Given some of the things you accuse me of I truly wonder.