What are the "Sabbaths," "New Moons," and "Feasts"?

[HIM]

What holy days are in the book of the law, and where in the book of the law can they be found?

Handwriting to the ordinances were taken out of the way and nailed to the cross. These are which the holy days, meat and drink and sabbath days are being spoken of in Colossians. So the question NEEDS to be, what are the handwriting to the ordinances? Because God’s law, His word is to be in our heart and mind through Christ and His spirit.

 

[Kilk1]

Handwriting to the ordinances were taken out of the way and nailed to the cross. These are which the holy days, meat and drink and sabbath days are being spoken of in Colossians. So the question NEEDS to be, what are the handwriting to the ordinances? Because God’s law, His word is to be in our heart and mind through Christ and His spirit.

I see. Perhaps I could've worded the question differently. In this case, what holy days are in the handwriting to the ordinances, and where in the handwriting to the ordinances can they be found?

 

[Kilk1]

Paul seems to contradict himself a lot. This is probably due to biased translations. Paul also admits some of his teachings are his own opinion and he received no instruction from the Lord regarding it. I don't see Paul as the final authority on anything, especially after his disputes with the other apostles. I see his letters more as historical, with some inspiration from the Holy Spirit at times. Much like other early Christian writings of the time. Such as Polycrates, Polycarp, Clement, Origen, Irenaeus, etc . Some truth mixed with Paul's admitted own opinion(which sometimes clashed with the other apostles). I wouldn't go as far as saying he is a false apostle, but even prophets sometimes made mistakes. If Paul contradicts the status quo of Holy Writ, then Holy Writ stands.

I don't think this is accurate. Aren't Paul's writings listed among the Scriptures (2 Peter 3:14-16), and isn't all Scripture given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17)?

 

[Torah Keeper]

It was our penalty for our sins that was nailed to the cross. Christ didn't come to abolish His own Holy Days. He cancelled the penalty for our sins. Opening the door of salvation to everyone.

 

[Torah Keeper]

I don't think this is accurate. Aren't Paul's writings listed among the Scriptures (2 Peter 3:14-16), and isn't all Scripture given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16-17)?

1 Corinthians 7:25 is an example.

Paul wrote 2 Timothy so I am not certain if he was including his own writings as Scripture or if he meant the Tanakh, Gospels, and/or other Books.

 

[HIM]

I see. Perhaps I could've worded the question differently. In this case, what holy days are in the handwriting to the ordinances, and where in the handwriting to the ordinances can they be found?

They were handwritten to the ordinances in the pentateuch. Where are the Ten Commandments. Where they separate? Where they accessible? In Deuteronomy 30:10-20 what was written or to be written in the hearts? What about Jeremiah 31:31-35

 

[HIM]

Paul seems to contradict himself a lot. This is probably due to biased translations. Paul also admits some of his teachings are his own opinion and he received no instruction from the Lord regarding it. I don't see Paul as the final authority on anything, especially after his disputes with the other apostles. I see his letters more as historical, with some inspiration from the Holy Spirit at times. Much like other early Christian writings of the time. Such as Polycrates, Polycarp, Clement, Origen, Irenaeus, etc . Some truth mixed with Paul's admitted own opinion(which sometimes clashed with the other apostles). I wouldn't go as far as saying he is a false apostle, but even prophets sometimes made mistakes. If Paul contradicts the status quo of Holy Writ, then Holy Writ stands.

He does not. The issue is-in Understanding what is written

 

[Torah Keeper]

He does not. The issue is-in Understanding what is written

I said he seems to contradict himself a lot. This is probably due to biased translations.

Paul's writings are not easy to understand. And this is made worse by bad translation and bias toward certain doctrines, which causes Paul to seemingly contradict himself.

I am convinced Paul kept the Holy Days. So if he said these were abolished, then he contradicts himself.

 

[Torah Keeper]

Only the Spring Feasts were fulfilled. The Fall Feasts will not be fulfilled until the 2nd coming, except the 8th Day which will be fulfilled when the New Heaven and Earth will be created.

Passover reminds us of Christ's death. He is the Passover. By keeping Passover we better understand Christ as the Lamb of God. "Do this in remembrance of Me." Do what? Passover. Communion was not originally separate from Passover. Communion is an essential part of Passover.

Firstfruits reminds us of Christ's resurrection. This is also a foreshadowing of the first resurrection in Revelation. This is not about a bunny god laying eggs.

Pentecost reminds us of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. The apostles were gathered in observance of Pentecost in Acts 2. This was after Christ's resurrection and return to Heaven. So why were they still keeping a Jewish Feast? Did they miss the memo? Or were they doing the right thing by keeping the Feast?

Trumpets is not yet fulfilled. It prophecies the 2nd coming of Christ as a lion. In power and great glory. By keeping this Feast we look forward to Christ coming in His true power.

Atonement is not yet fulfilled. It prophecies the coming judgment. On this most Holy Day of the year, we fast and pray and put away sins. We know that Christ is the judge. And His judgment will be justified.

Tabernacles is not yet fulfilled. It is a shadow of the age to come. Christ will be King on Earth for 1,000 years. This is known as the Millenium.

The 8th Day is not yet fulfilled. It prophecies the New Heaven and Earth that will be created after the Millenium.

Purim and Hannuka both remind us of Yahweh's protection. In both of these He saved His people from extinction.

References: Leviticus 23, Zechariah 14:16-19, Isaiah 66:22-24, Matthew 5:17-18, Acts 2, Acts 18:21, Acts 20:6, Romans 2:13, Romans 3:31, 1 Corinthians 5:6-8, 1 Corinthians 16:8.

Check these references and decide yourself if Paul preached for, or against the Holy Days.

 

[Kilk1]

They were handwritten to the ordinances in the pentateuch. Where are the Ten Commandments. Where they separate? Where they accessible? In Deuteronomy 30:10-20 what was written or to be written in the hearts? What about Jeremiah 31:31-35

Might the passages in the Old Testament discussing the holy days be what is meant by "a festival or a new moon or sabbaths"? For example, Leviticus 23, Leviticus 24, and Numbers 28 list various Jewish holy days.

 

[Kilk1]

1 Corinthians 7:25 is an example.

Paul wrote 2 Timothy so I am not certain if he was including his own writings as Scripture or if he meant the Tanakh, Gospels, and/or other Books.

In 1 Corinthians 7:25, he introduces a topic about virgins, and then says he has no commandment from the Lord on the Corinthians specific question on virgins. However, he gives advice as someone the Lord's made trustworthy. I think his statement not to have a command from the Lord is specific to the subject on virgins, being an exception to the general rule. The things Paul wrote as a whole "are the commandments of the Lord" (1 Corinthians 14:37).

Doesn't it seem that Peter understood Paul' writings to be Scripture (2 Peter 3:14-16)?

 

[Torah Keeper]

The problem with 1 Corinthians 7:25 is that it's either a commandment from God or it isn't. Paul said it isn't. So then we are left to question "What else of Paul's writings is not a commandment from God?"

With 1 Corinthians 14:37, Paul was on the topic of women being silent in church. He said this was commanded by God as it is written in the Torah that women are in subjection to men and not to lead the church. (Earlier in the chapter). There was never a Priestess at the Temple. The Priest's wife(wives?) was just that and nothing more. Not like today where there are co-preachers of husband and wife teams with equal authority. So I agree with Paul that women keeping silent in church is Scriptural (let the men lead). But to take 1 Corinthians 14:37 and apply it to everything Paul wrote would contradict the very same letter earlier in 1 Corinthians 7:25.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Is the Sabbath of Leviticus 23:3 different from the Sabbath of the Decalogue?

No. That is the weekly Sabbath

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Sad indeed…. Commentaries and preachers leading astray. As was so it will always be.

While other take scripture out of context and preach bad interpretations...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Happy Sabbath my friend,
And yet fasting is not mentioned. Eating herbs or not eating herbs is. And regarding a day or not regarding it is. All of which is respect to opinions, man made doctrines not the word of God. Verse 1 Now the affirm in faith be taking to yourselves but not for discrimination of reasonings. Disputes over differing opinions, thoughts not the word of God.

Shavuah Tov! the entire passage, IN CONTEXT, is about days of either eating or abstaining from eating (fasting) and some trying to impose their traditions on others and disagreeing with each other regarding it. Paul was explaining not to have disputes over it.

 

[HIM]

Shavuah Tov! the entire passage, IN CONTEXT, is about days of either eating or abstaining from eating (fasting) and some trying to impose their traditions on others and disagreeing with each other regarding it. Paul was explaining not to have disputes over it.

Fasting is not in the text.
Eating all things or eating herbs and observing days is.


The clause “Eateth not” in verse 3 is being said in context to verse two in relation to not eating all things and eating just herbs.

Fasting is not mentioned stop adding what is not.

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Fasting is not in the text.
Eating all things or eating herbs and observing days is.


The clause “Eateth not” in verse 3 is being said in context to verse two in relation to not eating all things and eating just herbs.

Fasting is not mentioned stop adding what is not.

Romans 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.

Romans 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Romans 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

i am not making anything up....you just have no understanding of the context...eating or not eating...regarding or not regarding days...very clear...fasting is a tool and there should not be disagreements regarding it...sorry if you can't see that...

Jews fasted twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays (Luke 18:12). Gentile converts continued the tradition but observed it on Wednesdays and Fridays. The Didache chapter 8 says “But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week. Rather, fast on the fourth day (Wednesday) and the Preparation (Friday).” Fasting is not allowed on the Sabbath.

 

[HIM]

i am not making anything up....you just have no understanding of the context...eating or not eating...regarding or not regarding days...very clear...fasting is a tool and there should not be disagreements regarding it...sorry if you can't see that...

Jews fasted twice a week, on Mondays and Thursdays (Luke 18:12). Gentile converts continued the tradition but observed it on Wednesdays and Fridays. The Didache chapter 8 says “But let not your fasts be with the hypocrites, for they fast on the second and fifth day of the week. Rather, fast on the fourth day (Wednesday) and the Preparation (Friday).” Fasting is not allowed on the Sabbath.

Now you are just expressing an opinion. The fact that you are not even using the text to prove your point or disprove what is being shown to you says enough.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Now you are just expressing an opinion. The fact that you are not even using the text to prove your point or disprove what is being shown to you says enough.

i don't need to...we both posted the text...it is the explanation that matters to prove the point...which I have...

 

[HIM]

i don't need to...we both posted the text...it is the explanation that matters to prove the point...which I have...

No you have not you left the passage to try to explain your view. Fasting is not mentioned. That is all that is to it.

Unless You have something within the passage like the word fasting or such I am done with this.