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Featured What about the 2 witnesses Revelation 11

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Jul 20, 2018.

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  3. They are 2 groups of people

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  1. TribulationSigns

    TribulationSigns Well-Known Member Supporter

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    What is God's interpretation of Revelation 11:1-2 then? Who are those people in the temple and the court did God talk about in Revelation 11? And why did God have John to measure his worshippers within His Temple and not those out in the court? Do you know what the measurement is for?
     
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  2. TribulationSigns

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    Distraction alert. You are obviously trying to change the subject because you felt offended, instead of providing your Scripture support on Enoch and Elijah.
     
  3. TribulationSigns

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    Indeed.
     
  4. brinny

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    Rudeness alert.

    The fact that i responded at all is due to my incredulity at such blatant rudeness and pomposity.

    Consider yourself graced by even a response at all from me.

    That said, that will be the last response from me to yer ig'nant posts.

    Adios.
     
  5. TribulationSigns

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    Good riddance.

    I will respond to your posts here for all to read whether you make a response to me or not. I take that you could not provide Scripture support for Enoch and Elijah, so yes, your position remains...absurd. o_O
     
  6. seventysevens

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    Even though the reference of two prophets are clearly there in the text?
    They are killed and then are brought back to life and ascend up into heaven in the sight of other people as the voice of God calls them up and the people watch them ascend into heaven
     
  7. LittleLambofJesus

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    Revelation 11:
    1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and one said, "rouse/rise! and measure! the Sanctuary of God, and the Altar, and them that worship therein.

    There is 1 event that shows a Priest, none other than the father of John the Baptist, inside the Sanctuary, which was during the hour of incense...

    Luke 1:

    8 So it was, that while Zacharias was serving as priest before God in the order of his division,
    9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot fell to burn incense<2370> when he went into the Sanctuary of the Lord

    10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without, at the hour of the incense<2368>.
    11 And there appeared to him a Messenger of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of the incense<2368>,

    Now this is just too awesome!
    #2368 is used in only 6 verses of the NT, 2 of those in Luke, and 4 times in Revelation.....
    [I am going to make a study folder just on Chapter 11:1,2 and perhaps make a separate thread later]


    Strong's Number G2368 matches the Greek θυμίαμα (thymiama),
    which occurs 6 times in 6 verses

    Revelation 5:

    8 And when he had taken the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb,
    having each one a harp, and golden bowls full of incense<2368>, which are the prayers of the saints.

    Revelation 8:
    3 And another Messenger came and stood over the Altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense<2368>, that he should add it unto the prayers of all the saints upon the golden Altar which was before the throne.

    4 And the smoke of the incense<2368>, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the Messenger's hand.
    5 And the Messenger the censer; and he filled it with the fire of the Altar, and cast it upon the land, and there followed thunders, and voices, and lightnings, and an earthquake.

    Revelation 18:
    11 And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, for no man buyeth their merchandise any more; 12 merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stone, and pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet; and all thyine wood, and every vessel of ivory, and every vessel made of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble;
    13 and cinnamon, and spice, and incense<2368>, and ointment, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and cattle, and sheep; and merchandise of horses and chariots and slaves; and souls of men
     
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  8. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    brinny is a good friend and just like others, she is entitled to her view........so knock it off with the snide remarks on my thread or I will report you..........
    I would hope she will at least respond to my posts......
     
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  9. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    No Post.........
     
  10. DavidPT

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    Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.


    First of all, count these things in verse 4. 2 olive trees + 2 candlesticks. What does that add up to? Does not that add up to 4? If the two witnesses are meaning literal people, first of all it wouldn't say 2 witnesses, it would say 4 witnesses. The only logical way for 4 to mean 2, the 2 isn't meaning in the literal sense. And besides that, aren't we already told earlier in Revelation what candlesticks are representing?

    If we look at the 7 churches, the following two Jesus appeared to find more favorably of, or at least it seems that way to me. The church in Smyrna & the church in Philadelphia. Could the 2W be represented by those 2 churches? I don't know for certain. So maybe, maybe not. But I do see it as a possibility, nonetheless.
     
  11. seventysevens

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    Revelation being written decades later than Luke and it being about Jesus return - on what basis do you assume that apostle John wrote that John the baptist father is in Revelation well after his death ?
     
  12. LittleLambofJesus

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  13. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    You are now on my ignore list.......
     
  14. seventysevens

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    8 Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified. 9 For three and a half days some from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. 10 The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth.

    11 But after the three and a half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. 12 Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on.
     
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    The way it seems to me in this case, TribSigns is the one being attacked for simply having an opinion and expressing that opinion. Unless we are living under Communist rule here, or that him having his opinion and then stating his opinion, has broken board rules, I would then have to conclude TribSigns is the one being treated unfairly here for simply having an opinion, and then expressing that opinion. We don't have to agree with anyone's opinions if we choose not to. Yet people should have a right to their opinions, regardless, unless of course by expressing certain opinions it breaks some board rules. That's different then, IMO anyway.
     
  16. TribulationSigns

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    So am I with my view.

    What will you report on exactly? By calling her position absurd if she offers opinion WITHOUT a Bible support for Enoch and Elijah that I specifically asked.

    That is between you and her.
     
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  17. LittleLambofJesus

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    Ok here is what we have so far:
     
  18. TribulationSigns

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    I don't know who this message was directed at. It does not matter if I am on anyone's ignore list since it will not prevent me from reading their posts and can response biblically for anyone else to read who may like to discuss further with me. And if my response will be added to the said thread, they will still see my name with an option to take a peek. I know they want to! :)
     
  19. TribulationSigns

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    And? I was questioning the positions or doctrines, not the personalities.
     
  20. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    It was directed at this member. I have since reconsidered and just will not respond to his post any longer.......
    Perhaps I just misunderstood him.......
    I quoted Luke 1 in reference to Revelation, not even close to implying Zacharias was in Revelation [but I suppose it could be possible].........
    https://www.christianforums.com/threads/what-about-the-2-witnesses-revelatin-11.8074099
    /page-2#post-72970161

    There is 1 event that shows a Priest, none other than the father of John the Baptist, inside the Sanctuary, which was during the hour of incense...

    Luke 1:
    8 So it was, that while Zacharias was serving as priest before God in the order of his division,
    9 according to the custom of the priesthood, his lot fell to burn incense<2370> when he went into the Sanctuary of the Lord

    10 and all the multitude of the people were praying without, at the hour of the incense<2368>.
    11 And there appeared to him a Messenger of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of the incense<2368>,
     
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