We are not saved by works?

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These were kin to the false prophets of old that God bought out of Egypt. They weren't saved.

What?!

 

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So all the bible translators were wrong an we have no bible?

I believe just as God inspired the written text by men of God, I believe God did the same thing in translating His Word through out the generations.

 

[Dave L]

That verse says nothing that will support your beliefs. Why wouldn't the quickening be "believe then repent then be born-again" which would be in harmony with every other verse about salvation in the Bible? There is nothing in that entire chapter that supports your statement, but in fact Ephesians 2:8 supports the opposite. It is by grace we are saved through faith, meaning that faith comes before grace and salvation.

Grace = undeserved favor. You deny this and think you deserve salvation

 

[Dave L]

What?!

Study the passage and see for yourself.

 

[Dave L]

Okay. You are not getting it. I want to just stop for a moment. Please read Galatians 5 and ask yourself is Paul talking to believers when he writes Galatians 5:16? If so, then he is telling them to walk in the Spirit so that they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

Yes, but before the new birth, the flesh is all you have to work with.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Grace actually saves sinners. It doesn't arrange for the self-righteous to save themselves.

Amen, brother!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Study the passage and see for yourself.

Nowhere does the context actually support such an idea. The false prophets were bought by the Lord Jesus in regards to their sin but they denied Him. That is what it is saying. They were false prophets who could not cease from sin.

 

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@Jason0047

In other words, the servant who is not looking for their Lord will come in a day when He is not aware and the Lord will cut him off and appoint his portion with the unbelievers. Granted, I believe this is talking about those who miss out on the Rapture; And yes, they will have an opportunity to repent, but the Rapture does not happen in the course of the life of every believer.

What makes you think this has anything to do with a new fangled 19th century North American pious notion of a 'rapture' that the church had never before held in nearly two millenium of its existence. This text more probably refers to the judgment. That will be when sheep will be sorted from goats and 'servants' will be either rewarded, punished or put with the unbelieving 'goats'. Servants are disciples. Goats are not. You most certainly will find nothing in this or any other text concerning a 'Rapture'. The word does not appear anywhere in the scriptures. All an innovation and product of imaginative modern dispensationalism.
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Yes, but before the new birth, the flesh is all you have to work with.

Paul says shortly before, that if they seek to be justified by the Law, they have fallen from grace. What Law? All Law? No.

Galatians 5:2 says that they were seeking to be circumcised. But Paul says if they were to do that, Christ will profit them nothing. Then Paul tells them later which Laws they would break can cause a loss of their salvation (See Galatians 5:19-21).

In other words, the Galatians did start out right, but they were in danger spiritually with God because some of them were trying to be saved through circumcision.

A person cannot fall from grace unless they once had grace.
A person cannot fall from a cliff unless they were on a cliff.

 

[Dave L]

Paul says shortly before, that if they seek to be justified by the Law, they have fallen from grace. What Law? All Law? No.

Galatians 5:2 says that they were seeking to be circumcised. But Paul says if they were to do that, Christ will profit them nothing. Then Paul tells them later which Laws they would break can cause a loss of their salvation (See Galatians 5:19-21).

In other words, the Galatians did start out right, but they were in danger spiritually with God because some of them were trying to be saved through circumcision.

A person cannot fall from grace unless they once had grace.
A person cannot fall from a cliff unless they were on a cliff.

Paul shows us what the flesh is = you before the New Birth. And then he shows us what the New Birth is. Before you were born again, you had only the flesh to work with. It loves sin and hates righteousness (Christ). And it could explain why you hate the Christ I represent.

 

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@Jason0047


What makes you think this has anything to do with a new fangled 19th century North American pious notion of a 'rapture' that the church had never before held in nearly two millenium of its existence. This text more probably refers to the judgment. That will be when sheep will be sorted from goats and 'servants' will be either rewarded, punished or put with the unbelieving 'goats'. Servants are disciples. Goats are not. You most certainly will find nothing in this or any other text concerning a 'Rapture'. The word does not appear anywhere in the scriptures. All an innovation and product of imaginative modern dispensationalism.
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While I did bring up the Rapture, it was not my intention to do an endless debate about it. The point I was trying to make was that you cannot commit grievous unrepentant sin and still be saved. It doesn't work like that. Please address my other points in Scripture that condemns your belief. Thank you.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Paul shows us what the flesh is = you before the New Birth. And then he shows us what the New Birth is. Before you were born again, you had only the flesh to work with. It loves sin and hates righteousness (Christ). And it could explain why you hate the Christ I represent.

You are not addressing my points.

 

[Dave L]

You are not addressing my points.

If you take away the Spirit, what is left that would choose Christ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you take away the Spirit, what is left that would choose Christ?

Please go back and read my post.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Anyways, I gotta run and do other things.

May God's goodness be upon you all today.

 

[ExTiff]

While I did bring up the Rapture, it was not my intention to do an endless debate about it. The point I was trying to make was that you cannot commit grievous unrepentant sin and still be saved. It doesn't work like that. Please address my other points in Scripture that condemns your belief. Thank you.

I would say that being put with the unbelievers is pretty much counting out the possibility of winding up 'saved', wouldn't you? OSAS is a damnable heresy you know. It denies the necessity of perseverance.
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[Dave L]

Please go back and read my post.

Before you were born again, you had only the flesh as a base to work from. Nothing in it would ever recognize the real Jesus much less want anything to do with him.

 

[thecolorsblend]

What happens if you stop meeting the conditions of salvation? What if salvation has no conditions but is a free gift from God?

Golly.

 

[ExTiff]

Please address my other points in Scripture that condemns your belief. Thank you.

I have no interest in answering condemnations.

 

[Dave L]

Golly.

How can I be saved according to your view of the matter?