Yes and in
Ephesians 2 Paul explains that these Ephesians are children of God. Then in chapter 5:1-7 Paul warns these very same children of God of turning back to a sinful life which will result in them receiving the wrath of God in the sons of disobedience which will be they will have no inheritance in the kingdom of heaven. Doesn’t sound very reassuring to me.
Ephesians 5:
Be ye therefore followers of God,
as dear children;
2 And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savor.
3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness,
let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;
4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks.
5 For this
ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
6
Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
7
Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
10
Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
I think you need to read a little more carefully. He's not accusing these people of doing any of this stuff. Nor is he saying they are in danger of losing their salvation.
He is saying to stay away from people who would cause you to sin; because you at one point walked in that darkness and I think Paul is acknowledging the fact that ones past can sneak up and bite them when they least expect it; so walk circumspectly.
This is akin to the advice people get in groups like AA to stay away from alcoholics that are still active because that environment can trip you up. This is not the Corinthian church where there was serious unrepentant sin.
You're trying to make the text say more than it is.
Btw you put the emphasis in the wrong place.
According as He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love
Well, the problem is that what you are alleging; "....
that we should be holy..." and that isn't what the Greek actually says.
OK Here's the Greek:
2531 [e]
καθὼς
just as
Adv
1586 [e]
ἐξελέξατο
He chose ------ elected
V-AIM-3S
1473 [e]
ἡμᾶς
us
PPro-A1P
1722 [e]
ἐν
in
Prep
846 [e]
αὐτῷ
Him
PPro-DM3S
4253 [e
πρὸ
before
Prep
2602 [e]
καταβολῆς
[the] foundation
N-GFS
2889 [e]
κόσμου ,
of [the] world ............ of the cosmos
N-GMS
1510 [e]
εἶναι
to be ---------------- This is literally "I exist / I am"
V-PNA
1473 [e]
ἡμᾶς
for us ..................... This is literally "I"
PPro-A1P
"...... to exist I am, I" Remember when Moses asked God what should I tell the people when they ask who sent me. God's response was "I am that I am". That is a variant of that.
40 [e]
ἁγίους
holy
Adj-AMP
Just as He has elected us in Him before the foundation of the world; the I exist, I (am) holy and without blame before Him in love.
Or ".....before the foundation of the world to be for us holy.... " is a good translation that makes better sense in English.
Nothing in my quote suggests otherwise. God being omniscient and omnipresent has already foreseen everything we would ever do before creation.
Well the verse I just quoted, negates your idea here. "...before the foundations of the world to be for us holy...." would not mean that He looked down the corridors of time to foresee that you would exercise faith.
Especially when you add on top of this the verses that say faith is bestowed on someone from God. It doesn't fly.
There’s nothing in
Romans 11 about the Mosaic law.
Paul is talking about the Israelites being cut off. If they are the "natural branches"; how does that not apply to the Old Testament? Or at least to apply to them as the nation tasked to keep the Old Testament.
The new covenant is the fulfillment of the prophecies in the old covenant. Of course we’re talking about the new covenant.
Who are the "natural branches" of the new covenant then? He's talking about Jews being cut off an olive tree. If that olive tree is the new covenant; Jews don't become part of the new covenant until they believe. So if they believe and they are part of the new covenant, why would they be cut off. That doesn't make any sense.
I don’t understand how this is even a question. Honestly I think this is just another ploy to dodge the discussion.
LOL
Kind of like when we were talking about whether or not a person could believe if they are not chosen by God and you replied talking about superficial belief which also was clearly not what we were discussing.
One can not believe unto redemption if they are not elect. One can have a superficial belief and claim to believe but not have redemptive faith. They can have an intellectual ascent to the concept of salvation and that Jesus is the Messiah; but if they don't genuinely trust God, they aren't saved; and only the elect genuinely trust God.
That is the main theme of what we've been discussing on this entire tread and no matter how you slice the questions; I keep giving you the same answers. I'm not dodging the questions; you're dodging the answers.
It’s starting to seem like when you get backed into a corner you look for ways to avoid the topic we’re discussing.
I have been very clear on my answers. The real issue is that you don't like the answers; so you try and come up with a different way of wording the same argument and you keep getting the same answers. Your trying to trip me up and you can't; so now your accusing me of dodging the issues.