We all know the doctrine of 'free will' is not a biblical thing right?

[1stcenturylady]

I do.. but again can't have the spirit if you can not recognise the very words of God himself.

We are all sinners from birth because of Adam's sin. But that is precisely what Jesus came to change. Do you understand that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

it kinda does. because there is a clear divide in all of the parables Jesus taught about dividing the sheep for the lambs the wheat from the weeds the wheat and chaff ect.. All of the undesirable elements get thrown into the fire.
otherwise
What do you love that you throw into fire? Do you throw your dog into fire to show your love? do you throw your child into the fire because you love them so much? We save what we love from the fire we do not cast what we love into fire.

I believe God Loves the world which is why He made a way for us to be saved. But many reject His love and refuse to accept His free gift of grace. His plan is for us to live with Him in heaven free of sin, evil, pain, heartache, etc. I don’t think this could be accomplished if sinners were allowed to enter heaven. It’s possible that in order to make His plan work the ones that reject Him must suffer. Its ultimately up to the person who is rejecting God whether they burn or not. They’re the one putting the gun to their own head and pulling the trigger.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I also grew up dyslexic had a bad stutter and was deemed learning disabled.. didn't learn to read till after highschool via comic books. Doe that help you feel any better bout the situation? do you feel like you can safely dismiss me yet?

What if i did not spend the last 25 or so years in a puddle of ignorance, what if i spent time studying under dr.'s of theology and in the biggest privately owned scriptorium and research center in the Us (at the time)

It was evident that your actual knowledge did not line up with your arrogance about how much you think you know. Just sayin'

 

[drich0150]

I pointed out over and over the bible does not speak of the doctrine of free will it couldn't as that concept came 600 years after the bible was written. then I show you where Jesus says we are slaves to sin, then the pharisees argued they were not slaves (just as you are) and jesus said to them if you do not recognise my word you do not know/hear the words of the father...

If you can not accept the words of christ then how can you claim to have been baptized in the Spirit?

 

[drich0150]

I believe God Loves the world which is why He made a way for us to be saved. But many reject His love and refuse to accept His free gift of grace. His plan is for us to live with Him in heaven free of sin, evil, pain, heartache, etc. I don’t think this could be accomplished if sinners were allowed to enter heaven. It’s possible that in order to make His plan work the ones that reject Him must suffer. Its ultimately up to the person who is rejecting God whether they burn or not. They’re the one putting the gun to their own head and pulling the trigger.

that's nice and all.. but where in the bible does it say that?

 

[BNR32FAN]

This blows my mind...

Do you guys read books like this? would you take a dialog between two people out of a book and mandate that someone else answer for the dialog you took out of context? why do this here?

Read chapter 8 1-11 please
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+8&version=ERV

who is jesus speaking to? the woman caught in adultery... HE specifically forgave that woman in that particular circumstance and gave that individual special instructions.

How oh how then does this apply to us? if Jesus was dealing with this single woman speaking to her specifically about a specific sin, how then does the circumstance transfer if nothing is said or lends itself to transfer?

God wants our love. Without free will we cannot give Him our love.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I pointed out over and over the bible does not speak of the doctrine of free will it couldn't as that concept came 600 years after the bible was written. then I show you where Jesus says we are slaves to sin, then the pharisees argued they were not slaves (just as you are) and jesus said to them if you do not recognise my word you do not know/hear the words of the father...

If you can not accept the words of christ then how can you claim to have been baptized in the Spirit?

You do know that the same verse in John 8 is speaking of a before and after Christ situation. Those who sin are a slave to sin. Jesus was manifested to TAKE AWAY OUR SIN, and in Him there is no sin. Therefore, if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. You are no longer a slave to sin. Why? Because of the Holy Spirit Jesus gives us.

 

[drich0150]

It was evident that your actual knowledge did not line up with your arrogance about how much you think you know. Just sayin'

what if.. it did. would it not then show a huge gap between what you know,and what I am telling you the bible says?
BTW how do you just write off all the things I show you in scripture?? ah that's right because I am arrogant none of what I say can be true.. just like when Jesus was arrogant to the pharisees, they wrote off what he said. At least you don't have to blaze a new trail spiritually.. you seem to be on a well traveled road.

 

[1stcenturylady]

that's nice and all.. but where in the bible does it say that?

Revelation 22:11

 

[1stcenturylady]

what if.. it did. would it not then show a huge gap between what you know,and what I am telling you the bible says?
BTW how do you just write off all the things I show you in scripture?? ah that's right because I am arrogant none of what I say can be true.. just like when Jesus was arrogant to the pharisees, they wrote off what he said. At least you don't have to blaze a new trail spiritually.. you seem to be on a well traveled road.

You point out a scripture, but only one sentence - not the full scripture. You are not seeing past your own nose.

 

[BNR32FAN]

that's nice and all.. but where in the bible does it say that?

The Bible supports most of what I said. God Loves the world, He made a way for us to be saved. His plan is for us to live with Him in heaven free from sin, evil, pain heartache, etc. These are all stated in the Bible. The Bible however does not reveal God’s entire plan in detail. We have been given a choice to receive eternal life or reject it. By rejecting eternal life we are condemning ourselves to burn in the lake of fire.

 

[drich0150]

God wants our love. Without free will we cannot give Him our love.

read the op not just the title..

 

[drich0150]

You point out a scripture, but only one sentence - not the full scripture. You are not seeing past your own nose.

I stoped where the pharisees refused to take on the mantle of slaves to sin, because you all have done the same.. we cannot progress to the salvation bit till you accept what you are now...

I even went beyond this and say EVEN IF... you are saved you are still subject to the law as if you were still slaves Because you are so young in the faith you can not fully accept everything God has to say. mainly that you are slaves, not servants, not people with free will but slaves

 

[drich0150]

that is supported by gal 4
This is what I am saying: When young children inherit all that their father owned, they are still no different from his slaves. It doesn’t matter that they own everything. 2 While they are children, they must obey those who are chosen to care for them. But when they reach the age the father set, they are free. 3 It is the same for us. We were once like children, slaves to the useless rules of this world. 4 But when the right time came, God sent his Son, who was born from a woman and lived under the law. 5 God did this so that he could buy the freedom of those who were under the law. God’s purpose was to make us his children.

6 Since you are now God’s children, he has sent the Spirit of his Son into your hearts. The Spirit cries out, “ Abba, Father.” 7 Now you are not slaves like before. You are God’s children, and you will receive everything he promised his children.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I stoped where the pharisees refused to take on the mantle of slaves to sin, because you all have done the same.. we cannot progress to the salvation bit till you accept what you are now...

I even went beyond this and say EVEN IF... you are saved you are still subject to the law as if you were still slaves Because you are so young in the faith you can not fully accept everything God has to say. mainly that you are slaves, not servants, not people with free will but slaves

What am I now?

 

[drich0150]

Meaning eve if you are saved you are still slaves before God. you will not be set free until you receive the Spirit.. if you can not accept the words of God you can not receive the spirit do you get it yet?

 

[drich0150]

What am I now?

that is between you and God to figure out I am not Christ I do not know your heart.

I am just pointing out what the bible says. it is on you to honestly place yourself on that scale and work one way or the other

 

[1stcenturylady]

that is between you and God to figure out I am not Christ I do not know your heart.

I am just pointing out what the bible says. it is on you to honestly place yourself on that scale and work one way or the other

I have Christ. What am I now?

 

[1stcenturylady]

Meaning eve if you are saved you are still slaves before God. you will not be set free until you receive the Spirit.. if you can not accept the words of God you can not receive the spirit do you get it yet?

Right. I am a Spirit-filled believer of Jesus. What am I now? Do you call me still a willful sinner? If so, scripture please.

 

[BNR32FAN]

read the op not just the title..

I did read the op that’s why I mentioned this.