Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[squint]

I am a nice person. I detest the way some deflect teaching by grabbing onto silliness. I didn't offer the "ruddy" remark until asked...I believe asked by you??? It doesn't matter but it is what it is. Adam and his offspring Jesus were of one line. We are told that was a ruddy line and so it is.

If it doesn't matter then why do some harp on the truth of the matter?

The world has grown so PC they can't even say someone is white without thinking...oh my gosh, someone will think I'm a racist to say that.


So, we should just put that aside and deal with facts, facts about the truth of mankind being on earth before the formation of Adam. Or, someone can wallow around in what doesn't matter until the pigs in the mud....fly. Or, in your previous case...until cows tip over?

I'm only sorry you think it matters.

s

 

[YeShallTread]

No big deal if Adam was light, medium or dark. Preaching a white or black Adam, however could be a false teaching. It's a guess at best. If it turns out that he was this or that it changes nothing except perhaps some of our understanding of the word ruddy.

EXACTLY Rev.Randy! No big deal. No one is preaching it but to state that line was ruddy is not false. It is not a guess for it is written.

Now, can we deal with the topic because it is very, very interesting?

 

[YeShallTread]

I'm only sorry you think it matters.

s

Oh give it a break Squint...you just want to argue.


It matters because everything written matters. If it didn't then we could just throw away chunks of the Bible....where do you want to begin?

 

[Rev Randy]

EXACTLY Rev.Randy! No big deal. No one is preaching it but to state that line was ruddy is not false. It is not a guess for it is written.

Now, can we deal with the topic because it is very, very interesting?

No One? I agree that you are not preaching it but would argue against no one preaching such. I've heard the preaching that blackness is a curse more than once. It's a more common theology than most think.

 

[YeShallTread]

aw, you missed the best question...

DID GOD LOVE GOLIATH?

???

s

NO. God does not love those that hate Him.

 

[YeShallTread]

No One? I agree that you are not preaching it but would argue against no one preaching such. I've heard the preaching that blackness is a curse more than once. It's a more common theology than most think.

They are stupid people...let us not join them here.

 

[YeShallTread]

I believe God loved both Esau and Goliath, but that both men were used by God to show us more interesting things about ourselves.



Caps, colors, who cares?

People who pick at caps and colors are only dancing around the content.



Inferring ones own imagination of things when they see caps and colors is kinda ridiculous isn't it? After all there are actually words, questions and observations to deal with instead.



No, you could simply say that God hates everybody that YOU think He hates.

I think it's a little more interesting, that's all.

I think God LOVED the GIANTS who lived on earth too.

s

I think attributing God's love to those who choose wickedness is rather silly but....your choice.

 

[squint]

I think attributing God's love to those who choose wickedness is rather silly but....your choice.

I am not aware of the status of sinless perfection being on the table for any of us.

again, sorry.

 

[YeShallTread]

I am not aware of the status of sinless perfection being on the table for any of us.

again, sorry.

For one to choose wickedness has nothing to do with no one being without sin...nothing at all.

 

[squint]

For one to choose wickedness has nothing to do with no one being without sin...nothing at all.

uh, prolly not...

 

[Rev Randy]

I think attributing God's love to those who choose wickedness is rather silly but....your choice.

Hold the phone. God loved me when I was yet a sinner. A wicked one at that. Yep, I chose wickedness and yet John 3:16.

 

[YeShallTread]

Hold the phone. God loved me when I was yet a sinner. A wicked one at that. Yep, I chose wickedness and yet John 3:16.

Did He? If you died while living that life, preferring wickedness over Him....what would have happened?


Did God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son to be tortured for wicked people or...for those that are called to repentance, even though sinners they/we may be?

 

[Rev Randy]

Did He? If you died while living that life, preferring wickedness over Him....what would have happened?


Did God so love the world that He gave His only begotten Son to be tortured for wicked people or...for those that are called to repentance, even though sinners they/we may be?

Hell is not reserved for those who God hates but rather for those who hate God.

 

[YeShallTread]

Hell is not reserved for those who God hates but rather for those who hate God.

I agree. The question is...does God love those that hate Him?

 

[Rev Randy]

I agree. The question is...does God love those that hate Him?

Seeing Christ fulfilled the greatest love(John 15:13) for those who hate him I would have to say yes, He loves them. What He hates is their deeds.

 

[YeShallTread]

Seeing Christ fulfilled the greatest love(John 15:13) for those who hate him I would have to say yes, He loves them. What He hates is their deeds.

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Are His friends those who "hate Him?"

 

[Rev Randy]

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.


Are His friends that who "hate Him?"

I have those i love and consider friends who hate me and I'm not nearly as good as Christ. If and when they decide to befriend me then the friendship can be mutual. Jesus died for the world not just those who love Him.
Yes, I was Jesus' friend before He was mine.

 

[YeShallTread]

And so, history repeats itself. When this topic is discussed it is changed to racism, or whatever the flavor of the day happens to be. This subject has been "kept secret from the foundation of the world," and yet it is not for all to hear. Do we just hear the milk or are we blessed to see? Are we among the multitude or are we His disciple?

Matthew 13:13 -15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

13:16-17 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

13:34-35 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake He not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
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This topic is about that secret...a secret He reveals to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

 

[YeShallTread]

I have those i love and consider friends who hate me and I'm not nearly as good as Christ. If and when they decide to befriend me then the friendship can be mutual. Jesus died for the world not just those who love Him.
Yes, I was Jesus' friend before He was mine.

Indeed.....

1 John 4:19 We love Him, because He first loved us.
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However....

Psalm 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love Him: but all the wicked will He destroy.

John 14:21 He that hath My commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth Me: and he that loveth Me shall be loved of My Father, and I will love him, and will manifest Myself to him.
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What of those that do not loveth Him? Are they loved of the Father?

Psalm 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence His soul hateth.
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Nope...He "hateth" them. When we consider the crucifixion.....

Galatians 1:4 Who gave Himself for our sins, that He might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
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There is a distinction made. There is the evil world and those that choose to remain in that world and there is "us." The us being those that repent and love Him.

1 John 2:2 And He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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He gave Himself for all sins, ours and the world, and yet what is required? Can one continue to hate Him, to take His name in vain, to live a life of evil doings and be saved? No, not even those that say "Lord, Lord," have that salvation.

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the Lord thy God, He is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love Him and keep His commandments to a thousand generations;
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Sunday school teaches God loves everyone, no matter what. Sunday school teaches Eve took a bite of an apple too. Sunday school teaches once saved always saved. All are lies....

1 Corinthians 13:11 v When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
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[Fireinfolding]

And so, history repeats itself. When this topic is discussed it is changed to racism, or whatever the flavor of the day happens to be. This subject has been "kept secret from the foundation of the world," and yet it is not for all to hear. Do we just hear the milk or are we blessed to see? Are we among the multitude or are we His disciple?

Matthew 13:13 -15 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

13:16-17 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them

13:34-35 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake He not unto them: That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
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This topic is about that secret...a secret He reveals to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Those who he spake that too judged after the flesh also didmt they? Where the mystery of Christ and the Church is shown in Adam and Eve, having less to do with folks skin color though.

The same theme can be found ran according to the mystery and whats been hid in these combined

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mat 13:12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

Mat 13:14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

Mat 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Said here by Paul as well...

Acts 28:26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross,and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

In the context of Isaiah it also says...

Isaiah 6:11 Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate,

Isaiah 6:12 And the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.

Then back to the context Paul speaks of the words of Isaiah (as Jesus) of the same...

Acts 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.

Romans 10:20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

Romans 10:21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

And likewise it says...

Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, (Moses) Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

Jesus would be the one of whom it is said, will raise up a prophet like unto thee

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Jesus Christ)

And Jesus said...

John 3:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

Ezek 20:49 Then said I, Ah Lord GOD! they say of me, Doth he not speak parables?

Mat 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

And likewise says...

Romans 15:21 But as it is written, To whom he was not spoken of, they shall see: and that have not heard shall understand.

So again...

Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

1Cr 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.

Isaiah 66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

Acts 22:21 And he said unto me, Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

Though the revelation of the mystery pertains to Jesus Christ and the Gentiles, whereas He says, Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

And again...

Ephes 3:3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,

Which again...

Ephes 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

I dont see how judging after the flesh, plays into that or how judging after the flesh is some kind of a great mystery. I mean, if one of the mysteries pertains to the fellowship between God the Father and Jesus Christ, that cant apply. And yet another is the making known of the riches of this mystery ( even as it pertains to) all nations ( ie Gentiles). While they are also not to be ignorant of another mystery which was Israel's blindness in part (until the fulness of the Gentiles come in). And the mystery of Adam and Eve pertains to Christ and the church, made up of all nations now anyway.

Like, whats there to flesh out? Know what I am asking?

The above could have been done better, but Im stuck copy pasting amd deleting from what I have here.