Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[YeShallTread]

Admoni or "ruddy" is related to ADM, that is earth or dirt. Hence Adam and his creation story in Genesis 2, there is a linguistic connection between "human" and "earth" in Hebrew.

The description of David as "ruddy" does in fact refer to his complexion. But it has nothing to do with blushing, but rather that he was dark, that's what admoni means, it's earthy, like rusty or reddish earth or clay. Thus David's complexion is described as earthy, dark, rustic.

It actually means the opposite of those who want to using their imagination think it refers to fair skin and rosy blushing cheeks--it doesn't. It means that David had an earthy, dark complexion.

David wasn't a white skinned northern European.

-CryptoLutheran

Earthy, dark complexion? I don't see that as the description of...ruddy:

1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, a brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

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[YeShallTread]

The account of Adam only speaks of the chosen Humanity . there were other humanities that did not get chosen and naturally went extinct .

Why do you think they went extinct? I agree that the account of Adam is the account of the chosen...chosen to be His servants...but that doesn't mean the rest of humanity disappeared.

 

[YeShallTread]

Uhm, it was Noah's flood in which 8 persons were saved through water.


Noah, wife, Noah's three sons, Noah's 3 daughter in laws.

Many people are mistaken, as are you, on the above. There were eight souls saved by water (not through water). Your translation may have changed the word of the Lord from by water to through water but man often does that if he cannot understand...or because he wants to deceive. I leave that decision to you, on whether or not you wish to continue to study with your translation.

We have to ask ourselves....did the flood waters save anyone? Those waters destroyed...not saved. I submit that the waters that saved eight souls was the living waters from God...for God walked with Noah, teaching, guiding, leading him to truth.

As verification of this please consider that the souls were saved, "while the ark was a preparing," not when the ark was a floating.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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It boggles the mind how people come up with this stuff.
Flood destruction mentioned here. already done
1 Peter 3


Future destruction by fire mentioned here, not yet happened.
2 Peter 3

It happens because we tend to read quickly and do so without guidance from the Holy Spirit. [1 Peter 3] is about the flood of Noah...[2 Peter 3] concerns the flood that ended the first earth age...the katalbo, which happened because of Satan's rebellion.

If you question this you should ask yourself...when did Satan rebel for he was already in his fallen state, as a serpent, when we are first introduced to him in the garden...at the beginning of this age.

 

[bornofGod888]

Many people are mistaken, as are you, on the above. There were eight souls saved by water (not through water). Your translation may have changed the word of the Lord from by water to through water but man often does that if he cannot understand...or because he wants to deceive. I leave that decision to you, on whether or not you wish to continue to study with your translation.

We have to ask ourselves....did the flood waters save anyone? Those waters destroyed...not saved. I submit that the waters that saved eight souls was the living waters from God...for God walked with Noah, teaching, guiding, leading him to truth.

As verification of this please consider that the souls were saved, "while the ark was a preparing," not when the ark was a floating.

1 Peter 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
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It happens because we tend to read quickly and do so without guidance from the Holy Spirit.

The "while the ark was a preparing" is referring to those "which sometime were disobedient" and not to Noah and his family. Also, the "eight souls who were saved by water" were saved "wherein" or INSIDE OF the ark after it had been prepared.

[1 Peter 3] is about the flood of Noah...[2 Peter 3] concerns the flood that ended the first earth age...the katalbo, which happened because of Satan's rebellion.

Peter was talking about Noah's flood in both instances. In fact, contextually, Peter had already written in this same second epistle:

"And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;" - II Peter 2:5

If you question this you should ask yourself...when did Satan rebel for he was already in his fallen state, as a serpent, when we are first introduced to him in the garden...at the beginning of this age.

What does the timing of Satan's rebellion have to do with anything? I'm quite confident (wait a minute...there's so much error on this forum that I'm confident of no such thing) that everyone here recognizes that Satan was created before Adam was and also that he was already in a fallen state when he tempted Adam, but how does any of this prove a pre-Adamic race of humans? Again, there is no text anywhere in the Bible which even remotely suggests the same.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Earthy, dark complexion? I don't see that as the description of...ruddy:

1 Samuel 16:12 And he sent, a brought him in. Now he was ruddy, and withal of a beautiful countenance, and goodly to look to. And the Lord said, Arise, anoint him: for this is he.

1 Samuel 17:42 And when the Philistine looked about, and saw David, he disdained him: for he was but a youth, and ruddy, and of a fair countenance.

Song of Solomon 5:10 My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.

Lamentations 4:7 Her Nazarites were purer than snow, they were whiter than milk, they were more ruddy in body than rubies, their polishing was of sapphire:

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1 Samuel 17:42, "fair" is yapheh (יָפֶ&#1492 meaning "beautiful", "handsome", "comely".

Song of Songs 5:10, "white" is tsach (צַ&#1495 meaning "bright", "clear", "dazzling".

Lamentations 4:7, "whiter" is the verb tsachach (צָחַ&#1495, "to glow", "to dazzle"

None of the above addresses skin tone, none says anything about white skin. The people described weren't white.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Why do you think they went extinct? I agree that the account of Adam is the account of the chosen...chosen to be His servants...but that doesn't mean the rest of humanity disappeared.

Just out of necessity . kinda like how species go extinct . it was just their time . how God creates is a mystery .

Adam was taken from outside the garden and put in it .. there was one human chosen to be formed into God's image .. there is only one God not multiple Gods so there could only be one humanity that prevailed . kinda like sperms in their race . only one makes it . the microcosm to the macrocosm so to speak .

 

[YeShallTread]

1 Samuel 17:42, "fair" is yapheh (יָפֶ&#1492 meaning "beautiful", "handsome", "comely".

Song of Songs 5:10, "white" is tsach (צַ&#1495 meaning "bright", "clear", "dazzling".

Lamentations 4:7, "whiter" is the verb tsachach (צָחַ&#1495, "to glow", "to dazzle"

None of the above addresses skin tone, none says anything about white skin. The people described weren't white.

-CryptoLutheran

You are welcome to think that if you wish but...you are wrong.

To be ruddy, as was Adam, as was David and so...as was their genetic line is to show blood in the face, to blush, to be rosy.

Why are you so opposed to that? Are you a racist and have something against Caucasians? Remember, the Philistines didn't like David because of that very thing so we know the Philistines aren't ruddy.

There are many races and Israel had to be one of them. Why not a line of ruddy skinned folks?

 

[HisSparkPlug]

Hi folks...
I received the following by PM. The messenger doesn't want to post it publicly on the forum so I'm going to throw it in here for those who want to respond to it's contents ... and I'll watch... lol:

A private response to your query - "Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?"

The answer is "No" from scripture. If you would like to see those scriptures and would like to speak in PM [only, as forums get far too cluttered with interruptions] about it, let me know.

One such text [with context] I will leave you with is:

That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; Luke 11:50From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:51

Abel was the first to die even as we see in Genesis itself. Both Abel and Zacharias are real beings.

There is of course a great deal more to substantiate the literal reading of Genesis, not only from Scripture, but also history, archeology, etc.

 

[bornofGod888]

Hi folks...
I received the following by PM. The messenger doesn't want to post it publicly on the forum so I'm going to throw it in here for those who want to respond to it's contents ... and I'll watch... lol:

A private response to your query - "Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?"

The answer is "No" from scripture. If you would like to see those scriptures and would like to speak in PM [only, as forums get far too cluttered with interruptions] about it, let me know.

One such text [with context] I will leave you with is:

That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; Luke 11:50From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. Luke 11:51

Abel was the first to die even as we see in Genesis itself. Both Abel and Zacharias are real beings.

There is of course a great deal more to substantiate the literal reading of Genesis, not only from Scripture, but also history, archeology, etc.

Yes, Abel is the first recorded person to physically die in human history according to the scriptural record.

 

[bornofGod888]

Dragons or Dinosaurs? - Creation or Evolution? - YouTube

 

[ViaCrucis]

You are welcome to think that if you wish but...you are wrong.

To be ruddy, as was Adam, as was David and so...as was their genetic line is to show blood in the face, to blush, to be rosy.

Why are you so opposed to that? Are you a racist and have something against Caucasians? Remember, the Philistines didn't like David because of that very thing so we know the Philistines aren't ruddy.

There are many races and Israel had to be one of them. Why not a line of ruddy skinned folks?

I'm hardly racist against myself.

I'm not obsessed with this, I'm refuting your error because it's based on bunk outdated racialist theories of the 19th century and today is only held by those who perpetuate those theories such as the various Christian Identity groups with all their heretical and racist nonsense.

You can keep believing that "ruddy" refers to having rosy-colored cheeks due to a pale-faced person blushing if you like; but it's an idea without scholarly merit and today the only serious proponents of it are racist, hate groups like the Aryan Nations, Covenant, Kingdom Identity Ministries, etc.

You may not be a racist; but what you're peddling is the theological foundation of "Christian"-flavored white supremacism. And it is not only wrong on linguistic and biblical grounds, it is bad theology at the root, and dangerous and must be cut at the root, killing it at its source so it cannot grow into the weed that it always becomes.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[squint]

odd how the word ruddy derailed things...

seen it happen many times...

 

[ViaCrucis]

odd how the word ruddy derailed things...

seen it happen many times...

It's a common argument put forward by those who have been listening to false teachers preaching their "White Adam" theology.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[squint]

It's a common argument put forward by those who have been listening to false teachers preaching their "White Adam" theology.

-CryptoLutheran

Yeah, there is some strange stuff in believerdom.


Black Jesus Ichigo - YouTube

 

[bornofGod888]

I'm hardly racist against myself.

I'm not obsessed with this, I'm refuting your error because it's based on bunk outdated racialist theories of the 19th century and today is only held by those who perpetuate those theories such as the various Christian Identity groups with all their heretical and racist nonsense.

You can keep believing that "ruddy" refers to having rosy-colored cheeks due to a pale-faced person blushing if you like; but it's an idea without scholarly merit and today the only serious proponents of it are racist, hate groups like the Aryan Nations, Covenant, Kingdom Identity Ministries, etc.

You may not be a racist; but what you're peddling is the theological foundation of "Christian"-flavored white supremacism. And it is not only wrong on linguistic and biblical grounds, it is bad theology at the root, and dangerous and must be cut at the root, killing it at its source so it cannot grow into the weed that it always becomes.

-CryptoLutheran

Speaking of "weeds":

WHAT DOES RUDDY MEAN? - NEGROES, LATINOS, AND NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS ARE THE REAL HEBREW ISRAELITES BY HERITAGE AND BLOODLINES!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rev Randy]

Ahhhh, the red hair blue eyed Jesus. Gotta love those masters for those paintings.

 

[bornofGod888]

I have to head out for the day shortly, but a quick word of personal testimony before I go...

Several years ago, I got my first "taste" (it was sickening then and it's sickening now) of the Bible being twisted to promote racism while I was on the streets of NYC. I had to attend a meeting in NYC and, being my usual, notoriously early self, I had some time to kill before my meeting started. As a result, I decided to wander the streets of NYC to take in some sights. Well, I hadn't gone more than about half a block when I noticed a crowd of people gathered around a stage/platform on which stood a bunch of black men, all dressed in robes and all carrying big staves/clubs. One of them was talking into a microphone and basically preaching "Death to the white man!"...and using (mis-) the Bible in his attempt to do so. As I got closer to the stage/platform, I noticed a banner which identified these men as "Black Israelites" and I hadn't been there for but a minute or two when the speaker turned and said, "Let me show you how stupid white people are! Hey, you (Yep, little ole me ..."Mr. Sunshine" was about to strike again)! What does "Edom" mean?!? Not being as "stupid" as previously assumed, I immediately hollered back, "Red". Well, needless to say, he wasn't too thrilled that I knew the correct answer and he immediately returned to his hate speech; twisting scriptures to "prove" that Jacob was a black man and Esau/Edom was a "red" (Caucasian, by their description) man and how that God loved Jacob and hated Esau or how that the white man was cursed by God Himself. Well, as unhappy as he was that I knew the correct answer, one of the club wielders was apparently even more upset. Yep, he went up to the speaker, ripped the microphone out of his hand, pointed at me and angrily shouted, "Are you red?!?" I said, "No, I'm Caucasian" and he got incensed even further and shouted back at me, "I'll come down there and put a gun to your head until you admit that you're red!". Well, at that point, a black man in the crowd actually jumped up to my defense and this prompted another club wielder to come down off of the stage/platform and tell him how we was going to "put him down" (as in physically, aided by his club, "put him down"). At that point, a mini-riot erupted and some Police Officers started coming towards the crowd. Having effectively spread enough sunshine for one day, I walked off and went to my meeting.

Anyhow, although this isn't the same group which I encountered that day, I commend this Christian for taking on the same type of Bible twisting racists:

Christian VS Black Hebrew Israelites - YouTube

 

[Fireinfolding]

So much for henceforth know we no man after the flesh ?

its strange to see that

that little guy holding the bible in that blue robe just appears so awkward too. Its like the other guy just handed him the book and he dont know whats going on, but he reads on his cue

Just the look on his face, like he is even trying convince himself when being directed to read it by that guy with a washcloth on his head

and if I knew nothing and he was trying to convince me of something that just wouldnt be happening

 

[bornofGod888]

Sad to say, however, there were apparently people listening to the hate preachers and embracing what they were saying. Yep, it works both ways:

"Whites" preaching death to the "blacks"...

"Blacks" preaching death to the "whites"...

Whatever happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

What a mess!

 

[Rev Randy]

Sad to say, however, there were apparently people listening to the hate preachers and embracing what they were saying. Yep, it works both ways:

"Whites" preaching death to the "blacks"...

"Blacks" preaching death to the "whites"...

Whatever happened to "Love thy neighbor as thyself"?

What a mess!

Agreed. Funny how we leave out the brown which is really the color we are all different shades of.