Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[YeShallTread]

Those who he spake that too judged after the flesh also didmt they? Where the mystery of Christ and the Church is shown in Adam and Eve, having less to do with folks skin color though.

The same theme can be found ran according to the mystery and whats been hid in these combined


Ephes 3:6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

I dont see how judging after the flesh, plays into that or how judging after the flesh is some kind of a great mystery. I mean, if one of the mysteries pertains to the fellowship between God the Father and Jesus Christ, that cant apply. And yet another is the making known of the riches of this mystery ( even as it pertains to) all nations ( ie Gentiles). While they are also not to be ignorant of another mystery which was Israel's blindness in part (until the fulness of the Gentiles come in). And the mystery of Adam and Eve pertains to Christ and the church, made up of all nations now anyway.

Like, whats there to flesh out? Know what I am asking?

The above could have been done better, but Im stuck copy pasting amd deleting from what I have here.

The Gentiles being fellow heirs is but one of the mysteries we are given to know. The mystery kept from the foundation of the world is another. That is the mystery of the tares and tied into that is the previous age.

We are not to judge after the flesh for it just don't matter to God. However, that does not change what is written. When something is written...it is written and cannot be re-written to pamper one's PC feelings.

If it was written that Adam and David were dark or yellow or blue...they would be whatever they were. As it is, they were ruddy...able to blush.

 

[Fireinfolding]

The Gentiles being fellow heirs is but one of the mysteries we are given to know. The mystery kept from the foundation of the world is another. That is the mystery of the tares and tied into that is the previous age.

We are not to judge after the flesh for it just don't matter to God. However, that does not change what is written. When something is written...it is written and cannot be re-written to pamper one's PC feelings.

If it was written that Adam and David were dark or yellow or blue...they would be whatever they were. As it is, they were ruddy...able to blush.

Yeah they were mentioned, and no one should change what written, however even knowing Christ Jesus after the flesh is spoken of and knowing not any man let alone Christ henceforth after the same is advised against. Just as following the endless genealogies the apostles dont seem to put any weight on going about back there after the flesh as alot of folks seem to do. The mystery is lesso Christ and the church and something other counted more after the flesh.

Just seems to take a left turn away from the apostles teaching, and get folks focused on the flesh even today. They pull it through some how, and it just goes nowhere except backwards.

wont wrangle with you over it or anything, to each their own.

 

[Tzaousios]

This topic is about that secret...a secret He reveals to those with eyes to see and ears to hear.

Indeed, history does repeat itself, with people offering the same old canards when others refuse to accept their particular interpretations of Scripture. Anyone that offers a challenge or criticizes that interpretation automatically does not have "eyes to see and ears to hear."

 

[YeShallTread]

Yeah they were mentioned, and no one should change what written, however even knowing Christ Jesus after the flesh is spoken of and knowing not any man let alone Christ henceforth after the same is advised against. Just as following the endless genealogies the apostles dont seem to put any weight on going about back there after the flesh as alot of folks seem to do. The mystery is lesso Christ and the church and something other counted more after the flesh.

Just seems to take a left turn away from the apostles teaching, and get folks focused on the flesh even today. They pull it through some how, and it just goes nowhere except backwards.

wont wrangle with you over it or anything, to each their own.

That there is a disparity between races is a fact of life. Always has been and probably always will be until this age ends. The verse about the Philistine disliking David because he was "ruddy" is an example of racism from long ago.

The point of this teaching has nothing to do with racism, of one being better than another. Rather it is about the fact that there are various races and those races were created before the day of rest. Adam was formed after that day.


That is truth and that is the point being deflected with all the focus on the color of Adam's genetic line. As you pointed out...we are not to know Christ after the flesh but we are one in Him in Spirit.

As for the "endless genealogies," that does not include two. The line of Christ and the line of the tares. The birth of Jesus fulfilled Scripture and therefore His genealogy is given in Scripture. The other line is the one we are to know for it provides the Key of David.


Revelation 3:6-9 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name. Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

 

[YeShallTread]

Indeed, history does repeat itself, with people offering the same old canards when others refuse to accept their particular interpretations of Scripture. Anyone that offers a challenge or criticizes that interpretation automatically does not have "eyes to see and ears to hear."

And in saying that...you think you somehow deny that there is indeed a "secret kept from the foundation of the world?" You focus on something silly and purposely do not see the important message. In doing so you pretty much prove the truth is some not having...eyes to see and ears to hear. You provide an example of the thing you speak against.

 

[squint]

I only deal in Scriture and I am given to see the truth of Scripture for He teaches me. Some can read the bible, repeat the verses and not have a clue as to the meaning. Some even LIVE in the books and still...they know not.....

Psalm 82:5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
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They don't want to understand.

From a scriptural perspective pre-Adamic races are not a provable fact, but largely speculation. And a much misused speculation.

A lot of weird sects spring up from that territory, most of them racist in nature.

s

 

[Godssontoo]

That pretty much covers it...

No it does not , why do you all have such a hard time understanding Gods Word and the simplicity it was written in , even though the bible was written in Hebrew and the translation of Genesis is lacking somewhat , the difference between the sixth day man, ADAM , which means man and the eigth day Adam is obvious .

The sixth day man who is called Adam is different from the Adam of Genesis 2:5 , if you read what God is saying to you it is very clear , God had not made a man to til the ground , a husbandman . God calls this Adam the father of all the living because Jesus would and did come from his bloodline and unless you're in Jesus, you are not living but spiritually dead . God is not the respect or of man in the flesh because we where originally spirit and the fall of Satan resulted in the flesh age.

The bottom line is unless you learn to pray in the spirit you will never understand spiritual things and looking at Gods word in the flesh, you will NEVER UNDERSTAND IT . God is not the author of confusion and science has already proven that mankind did not arise from two people , it is impossible for all the races to come from two people and that is confusion and not of God but Satan and his lies confusing you on e truth of God and His Word .

Where do you think Cain got his wife from when God cast him out of Eden ? Cain went to the land of Nod and met a sixth day creation and married her . If one does not understand the beginning how can one understand the end ?

 

[Fireinfolding]

Well, this has gotten weird

 

[Godssontoo]

Well, this has gotten weird

Truth is always stranger than fiction ! But what exactly do you mean by WEIRD ?

 

[Lion King]

Well, this has gotten weird

 

[Fireinfolding]

Truth is always stranger than fiction ! But what exactly do you mean by WEIRD ?

BOG didnt amen a fiction

 

[squint]

No it does not , why do you all have such a hard time understanding Gods Word and the simplicity it was written in , even though the bible was written in Hebrew and the translation of Genesis is lacking somewhat , the difference between the sixth day man, ADAM , which means man and the eigth day Adam is obvious .

The sixth day man who is called Adam is different from the Adam of Genesis 2:5 , if you read what God is saying to you it is very clear , God had not made a man to til the ground , a husbandman . God calls this Adam the father of all the living because Jesus would and did come from his bloodline and unless you're in Jesus, you are not living but spiritually dead . God is not the respect or of man in the flesh because we where originally spirit and the fall of Satan resulted in the flesh age.

The bottom line is unless you learn to pray in the spirit you will never understand spiritual things and looking at Gods word in the flesh, you will NEVER UNDERSTAND IT . God is not the author of confusion and science has already proven that mankind did not arise from two people , it is impossible for all the races to come from two people and that is confusion and not of God but Satan and his lies confusing you on e truth of God and His Word .

Where do you think Cain got his wife from when God cast him out of Eden ? Cain went to the land of Nod and met a sixth day creation and married her . If one does not understand the beginning how can one understand the end ?

heh heh. smacks lips in anticipation of sectarian strip mining. whatever will it be?

the easy guess? A. Murray/ShepChap

will it be divulged? revealed?

pending

 

[Godssontoo]

heh heh. smacks lips in anticipation of sectarian strip mining. whatever will it be?

the easy guess? A. Murray/ShepChap

will it be divulged? revealed?

pending

No that is what the bible says , and the word of God makes numerous references to the fact of us being spiritual beings . Read some of His quotes I use as my signature on the bottom of my page . I can cite many more if you like then you can find some fleshy answer for those too ?

 

[squint]

No that is what the bible says , and the word of God makes numerous references to the fact of us being spiritual beings .

let's get the other shoe off...the other races are NOT spiritual?

Read some of His quotes I use as my signature on the bottom of my page

We can all read scripture and have different reflections. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the scripture and may mean we just have bad reading and comprehension skills most of the time.

I will admit herein that I do not read perfectly because I am not perfect to read perfectly.

. I can cite many more if you like then you can find some fleshy answer for those too ?

If you think those citings justify the alt. creation scenario you are starting, they don't.

s

 

[Godssontoo]

heh heh. smacks lips in anticipation of sectarian strip mining. whatever will it be?

the easy guess? A. Murray/ShepChap

will it be divulged? revealed?

pending

I went back to this quote to show you what type of thinking you possess , you adopt the idea you are correct and associate me with some group , who you obviously dislike and feel has bogus teachings .

Then you as a so called Christian and follower of Jesus smack your lips in anticipation of what ? Abasing the other it seems and not edifying !!

It is no wonder Jesus used the term don't cast your pearls before swine and the parable of the ten virgins . Only five had the oil or truth to enter the wedding supper . The other five were virgins that did not follow Satan ,the instead of Christ , but theydid not have the oil of truth and taught many the lies of man / Satan .

 

[Godssontoo]

Read some of His quotes I use as my signature on the bottom of my page
We can all read scripture and have different reflections. Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the scripture and may mean we just have bad reading and comprehension skills most of the time.

I will admit herein that I do not read perfectly because I am not perfect to read perfectly.




Here is one of your problems with understanding the word of God , there is only ONE INTERPRETATION , the holy spirit guided all those who wrote the bible and guides all those who Seekthe truth to that one interpretation

 

[squint]

Here is one of your problems with understanding the word of God , there is only ONE INTERPRETATION , the holy spirit guided all those who wrote the bible and guides all those who Seekthe truth to that one interpretation

There are numerous suspicious imaginations that have inserted themselves into the Word of God. The two Adam theory is but another attempt, and in the two Adam theory there are also some subspecies.

If you'd care to source your base (sect/teacher/formal citings) it may save discovery lines of questions.

and for the record IF you have interesting facts of scripture I'll be the last guy here to toss them aside. But I'm also a harsh taskmaster on comparative guantlet. In other words the Holy Spirit will test any man's supposed understandings by bringing other scripture to bear on the matters to assure accuracy.

It's quite interesting, actually. Never personal imho, to your detriment that is.

s

 

[Rick Otto]

Well, now you are getting into what may be commonly known as 'serpent seed' theology, which same I generally reject. (nothing personal)

The 'intermingling' of demonic angels with mankind does not have to be DNA related.

Satan's temptation of all of us transpires in our minds and hearts for example is an INTERMINGLING of a FALLEN ANGEL with US. There is no requirement to view that matter as solely DNA related intermixing. In fact there is exactly zero evidence of this type of mixture currently.

We all have solely human DNA and not DNA from some fallen angelic race.



Yeah, I'm kind of in that camp. That the history of the earth is quite longer than the pickup point of Adam in the text. The so called 'in the beginning' could have been very very very long prior to Adam.



Yeah, there ya go...The blind insistence that the earth and creation is only a literal 6000 years just doesn't cut it.

s

Disinformation for every shade of bias can be found on both sides of the issue.
Archeological facts establish the presence of giants and some elongated skulls under some of those Egyptian pharoah hats. Regardless of arguments over dating methods, super-advanced technology is abundantly evidenced by stone architecture of super weight with vitrified surfaces & joints fitted 'impossibly' tight.

Rather than see this as a challenge to any scriptural truth, I see it as a challenge to my personal perspective.

At this point in the discussion, I'd like to visit the Hebrew on the difference between "formed" & created because I think the distinction may be significant in that it seems to correlate with both the facts on the table & the entirely plausible intent proposed that Adam is the begining of a redemptive lineage.

 

[Godssontoo]

There are numerous suspicious imaginations that have inserted themselves into the Word of God. The two Adam theory is but another attempt, and in the two Adam theory there are also some subspecies.

If you'd care to source your base (sect/teacher/formal citings) it may save discovery lines of questions.

and for the record IF you have interesting facts of scripture I'll be the last guy here to toss them aside. But I'm also a harsh taskmaster on comparative guantlet. In other words the Holy Spirit will test any man's supposed understandings by bringing other scripture to bear on the matters to assure accuracy.

It's quite interesting, actually. Never personal imho, to your detriment that is.

s

Ok here is a real simple one with only one answer .......John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of Man which is in heaven ....... These are the words of Jesus.

 

[squint]

Ok here is a real simple one with only one answer .......John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven , but he that came down from heaven , even the Son of Man which is in heaven ....... These are the words of Jesus.

OK, if you are saying that 'your' two Adam theory means Adam and Jesus, fine. That does not explain TWO ADAMS in the creation narrative unless you define ONE RACE that is HEAVENLY and all the other races, not.