Was There a Pre-Adamic Race?

[YeShallTread]

Genesis 7:15,16 ... Noah enters the ark ... And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life. And they went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded Him: and the Lord shut him in.

flesh ... Hebrew 1320 ... basar ... from 1319 ... flesh (from it's freshness); by extens. body, person; also (by euphem.) the pudenda of a man: - body, [fat,lean] [-ed], kin, [man-] kind, + nakedness, self, skin

1319 ... to announce (glad news): - messenger, preach, publish, carry, tell, shew forth

these are not animals going in ... it says the people went in two by two ... all of them ... who went with Noah's sons?

And another thinking believer! Hello to you too Ancient Soul.

So much written in Genesis if one just wants to admit...wow, well they sure didn't teach that in Sunday School but...there it is!

Yes indeed...there were not just animals marching in two by two. And so, the various races continued.

 

[squint]

Someone being spiritual has nothing to do with what race one is. Get off the race thing. It is of no value...no one cares.

So you are saying that even if there were other people prior to Adam it has ZERO bearing on anything for any reasons?

You are CERTAINLY NOT making that claim here:

"A redemptive lineage."

Usually, when I hear that, it tends to result at the end of the story in a very very bad spin on a CERTAIN RACE...wink wink...

To see spiritually is to understand. It is to have one's eyes and ears opened by the Spirit of God to understand scripture. That happens when one crucifies one's ego...and not until:

If it has zero bearing on anything there may seem no purposes in trying to claim spiritual sight.

s

 

[Lion King]

It is not my two Adam theory , it's what is written inthe bible . God worked for six days rested the seventh . Now chapter two which clearly says God had finished that work but he did not have a man to til the ground and here he is and these are the generations of this man to til the ground not the sixth day man .


By the way what does God mean by telling man to replenish the earth in Genesis 1:28?that would mean the earth was full before . The word used for replenish is the same word God used when Noah got off the arc and it is the only two times it is used in the bible .while you are at it explain Jeremiah 4:23-28 KJV please?

You have to understand the bible was not written in English, so if you want answers to your question, you are gonna have to look to the Hebrew texts.

male or mala: to be full, to fill
Original Word: מָלֵא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: male or mala
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-lay')
Short Definition: filled

And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' Genesis 1:28

 

[Godssontoo]

You have to understand the bible was not written in English, so if you want answers to your question, you are gonna have to look to the Hebrew texts.

male or mala: to be full, to fill
Original Word: מָלֵא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: male or mala
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-lay')
Short Definition: filled

And God blesseth them, and God saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over fish of the sea, and over fowl of the heavens, and over every living thing that is creeping upon the earth.' Genesis 1:28

Really so that is what was said to Noah also ? It still does not explain many other verses that speak of the sixth day creation or the pre sixth day man and the destruction of the earth between verses 1 and 2 of Genesis 1 , if you intend to use this logic, then be consistent and read genesis 1:1and 1:2 . The first verse of the bible speaks of a completed earth and heavens . The second verse speaks of those being destroyed , in the Hebrew , that is . So let's be consistent ok .

 

[Lion King]

Really so that is what was said to Noah also ? It still does not explain many other verses that speak of the sixth day creation or the pre sixth day man and the destruction of the earth between verses 1-2 of Genesis 1 , if you intend to use this logic than be consistent and read genesis 1-1 and 1:2 . The mfirst verse of the bible speaks of a completed earth and heavens . The second verse speaks of those being destroyed in the Hebrew , let's be consistent ok .

What are you talking about? Are we still talking about the Hebrew word מָלֵא translated as replenish in the KJV?

 

[squint]

You have to understand the bible was not written in English, so if you want answers to your question, you are gonna have to look to the Hebrew texts.

male or mala: to be full, to fill
Original Word: מָלֵא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: male or mala
Phonetic Spelling: (maw-lay')
Short Definition: filled

I have to bow to good work when I see it.

Many falsely think that the term MAN/MALE or even HE in the scriptures automatically means only a HUMAN MALE.

The fact is the term MAN is applied to human men, evil angels, holy angels, and even GOD and His Christ.

It's a multifunctional term and applied in a multifunctional manner in the text.

kudos!

 

[Godssontoo]

I have to bow to good work when I see it.

Many falsely think that the term MAN/MALE or even HE in the scriptures automatically means only a HUMAN MALE.

The fact is the term MAN is applied to human men, evil angels, holy angels, and even GOD and His Christ.

It's a multifunctional term and applied in a multifunctional manner in the text.

kudos!

It's not good work , the word has several meanings according to strong and his concordence , the fact the same exact sentence is used with Noah in genesis 9:1 be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth is exactly what God wanted you to read and what you interpreted is exactly what Satan wanted .

The reason I reiterated the being consitant with the Hebrew is how some will cite the Hebrew in an alternate translation to bolster their arguement and then when another does the same to disprove an argument of yours you will say that was not what was originally written .

The KJV is not interpreted exact but God expects us to rightly divide the word and not to mention I believe that the mistakes that are made still tell a truthGod wants us to see , the Holy Spirit has written the bible on multiple levels and is peeled back just like an onion when guided by Jesus .

 

[YeShallTread]

YST - Someone being spiritual has nothing to do with what race one is. Get off the race thing. It is of no value...no one cares.

Squint;64292973]So you are saying that even if there were other people prior to Adam it has ZERO bearing on anything for any reasons?

There were other people before Adam. They were other races. The other races is not the topic. That there are other races has no bearing on this topic.

You are CERTAINLY NOT making that claim here:

"A redemptive lineage."

What claim? Why do you think Israel are God's chosen people? Because they're prettier, smarter, stronger, better dressers or speakers? They were chosen to be HIS SERVANTS, to protect and carry His word to the world. In others words...a redemptive lineage.

Usually, when I hear that, it tends to result at the end of the story in a very very bad spin on a CERTAIN RACE...wink wink...

Wink, wink...shows where improper thinking can take one...doesn't it?

YST - To see spiritually is to understand. It is to have one's eyes and ears opened by the Spirit of God to understand scripture. That happens when one crucifies one's ego...and not until:

If it has zero bearing on anything there may seem no purposes in trying to claim spiritual sight.

s

Having spiritual sight is vital to understanding Scripture. Without it one only sees the letter of the Word, the milk. We can survive on milk but we are matured by the meat.

1 Corinthians 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
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[squint]

There were other people before Adam. They were other races. The other races is not the topic. That there are other races has no bearing on this topic.

What claim? Why do you think Israel are God's chosen people?

Pardon me for raising an eyebrow of suspicion on your claim that races have no bearing on the subject followed by bringing on THE JEWS as assuredly having BEARING.

Do you think that takes some special hearing and seeing glasses to figure out?

Because they're prettier, smarter, stronger, better dressers or speakers? They were chosen to be HIS SERVANTS, to protect and carry His word to the world. In others words...a redemptive lineage.

but I thought you just said races didn't matter?

Wink, wink...shows where improper thinking can take one...doesn't it?

So, you ARE saying that a particular RACE did/does indeed MATTER, correct?

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Did the Holy Spirit teach you how to double talk?

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s

 

[Lion King]

It's not good work , the word has several meanings according to strong and his concordence , the fact the same exact sentence is used with Noah in genesis 9:1 be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth is exactly what God wanted you to read and what you interpreted is exactly what Satan wanted .

The reason I reiterated the being consitant with the Hebrew is how some will cite the Hebrew in an alternate translation to bolster their arguement and then when another does the same to disprove an argument of yours you will say that was not what was originally written .

The KJV is not interpreted exact but God expects us to rightly divide the word and not to mention I believe that the mistakes that are made still tell a truthGod wants us to see , the Holy Spirit has written the bible on multiple levels and is peeled back just like an onion when guided by Jesus .

And God blesseth Noah, and his sons, and saith to them, 'Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the earth; Genesis 9:1


Strong's Hebrew: 4390. מָלֵא (male or mala) — 253 Occurrences
Genesis 1:22
BIB: פְּר֣וּ וּרְב֗וּ וּמִלְא֤וּ אֶת־ הַמַּ֙יִם֙
NAS: and multiply, and fill the waters
KJV: and multiply, and fill the waters
INT: be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters the seas

Genesis 1:28
BIB: פְּר֥וּ וּרְב֛וּ וּמִלְא֥וּ אֶת־ הָאָ֖רֶץ
NAS: and multiply, and fill the earth,
KJV: and multiply, and replenish the earth,
INT: to them be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue

Genesis 6:11
BIB: לִפְנֵ֣י הָֽאֱלֹהִ֑ים וַתִּמָּלֵ֥א הָאָ֖רֶץ חָמָֽס׃
NAS: and the earth was filled with violence.
KJV: and the earth was filled with violence.
INT: the sight of God was filled and the earth violence

Genesis 6:13
BIB: לְפָנַ֔י כִּֽי־ מָלְאָ֥ה הָאָ֛רֶץ חָמָ֖ס
NAS: Me; for the earth is filled with violence
KJV: for the earth is filled with violence
INT: before for is filled the earth violence

Genesis 9:1
BIB: פְּר֥וּ וּרְב֖וּ וּמִלְא֥וּ אֶת־ הָאָֽרֶץ׃
NAS: and multiply, and fill the earth.
KJV: and multiply, and replenish the earth.
INT: to them be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth

Genesis 21:19
BIB: מָ֑יִם וַתֵּ֜לֶךְ וַתְּמַלֵּ֤א אֶת־ הַחֵ֙מֶת֙
NAS: and she went and filled the skin
KJV: and she went, and filled the bottle
INT: of water went and filled the skin water

Genesis 24:16
BIB: וַתֵּ֣רֶד הָעַ֔יְנָה וַתְּמַלֵּ֥א כַדָּ֖הּ וַתָּֽעַל׃
NAS: to the spring and filled her jar
KJV: to the well, and filled her pitcher,
INT: went to the well and filled her jar and came

Genesis 25:24
BIB: וַיִּמְלְא֥וּ יָמֶ֖יהָ לָלֶ֑דֶת
NAS: to be delivered were fulfilled, behold,
KJV: to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, [there were] twins
INT: were fulfilled her days to be delivered

Genesis 26:15
BIB: סִתְּמ֣וּם פְּלִשְׁתִּ֔ים וַיְמַלְא֖וּם עָפָֽר׃
NAS: stopped up by filling them with earth.
KJV: had stopped them, and filled them with earth.
INT: stopped the Philistines filling earth

Genesis 29:21
BIB: אִשְׁתִּ֔י כִּ֥י מָלְא֖וּ יָמָ֑י וְאָב֖וֹאָה
NAS: for my time is completed, that I may go
KJV: for my days are fulfilled, that I may go in
INT: my wife for is completed my time may go

Genesis 29:27
BIB: מַלֵּ֖א שְׁבֻ֣עַ זֹ֑את
NAS: Complete the week of this one,
KJV: Fulfil her week,
INT: Complete the week her

Genesis 29:28
BIB: יַעֲקֹב֙ כֵּ֔ן וַיְמַלֵּ֖א שְׁבֻ֣עַ זֹ֑את
NAS: so and completed her week,
KJV: did so, and fulfilled her week:
INT: Jacob so and completed her week and he

Genesis 42:25
BIB: וַיְצַ֣ו יוֹסֵ֗ף וַיְמַלְא֣וּ אֶת־ כְּלֵיהֶם֮
NAS: gave orders to fill their bags
KJV: commanded to fill their sacks
INT: gave Joseph to fill their bags grain

Genesis 44:1
BIB: בֵּיתוֹ֮ לֵאמֹר֒ מַלֵּ֞א אֶת־ אַמְתְּחֹ֤ת
NAS: steward, saying, Fill the men's sacks
KJV: saying, Fill the men's
INT: his house saying Fill sacks the men's

Genesis 50:3
BIB: וַיִּמְלְאוּ־ לוֹ֙ אַרְבָּעִ֣ים
NAS: days were required for it, for such
KJV: days were fulfilled for him; for so are fulfilled
INT: were required now forty days

Genesis 50:3
BIB: כִּ֛י כֵּ֥ן יִמְלְא֖וּ יְמֵ֣י הַחֲנֻטִ֑ים
NAS: is the period required for embalming.
KJV: were fulfilled for him; for so are fulfilled the days
INT: for such required is the period are embalmed

Exodus 1:7
BIB: בִּמְאֹ֣ד מְאֹ֑ד וַתִּמָּלֵ֥א הָאָ֖רֶץ אֹתָֽם׃
NAS: so that the land was filled with them.
KJV: and the land was filled with them.
INT: exceedingly exceedingly was filled the land for

Exodus 2:16
BIB: וַתָּבֹ֣אנָה וַתִּדְלֶ֗נָה וַתְּמַלֶּ֙אנָה֙ אֶת־ הָ֣רְהָטִ֔ים
NAS: to draw water and filled the troughs
KJV: and drew [water], and filled the troughs
INT: came to draw and filled the troughs to water

Exodus 7:25
BIB: וַיִּמָּלֵ֖א שִׁבְעַ֣ת יָמִ֑ים
NAS: Seven days passed after the LORD
KJV: days were fulfilled, after
INT: passed Seven days

 

[squint]

It's not good work , the word has several meanings according to strong and his concordence ,

Well, yes, we were all in fact just treated to that fact. So you agree that the term is multifunctional and can apply to not only human males, but also evil and heavenly angels/messengers and also to God in Christ?

the fact the same exact sentence is used with Noah in genesis 9:1 be fruitful and multiply and REPLENISH the earth is exactly what God wanted you to read and what you interpreted is exactly what Satan wanted .

Oh, the replenish word. I think the applications of MALE understandings in the HEBREW are interesting and do not always mean what they mean in our languages. Fill is an accurate term. Fill may ALSO contain spiritual connotations. Not all 'filling' automatically means physical reproduction of the human species.

The reason I reiterated the being consitant with the Hebrew is how some will cite the Hebrew in an alternate translation to bolster their arguement and then when another does the same to disprove an argument of yours you will say that was not what was originally written .

We should all certainly question ourselves on every matter. The Word is very interesting in that way. I might even add that those who do not learn to read the spiritual ends of the scales and only see hard line literal external meanings are very EASILY led down numerous dead end trails, even on purpose, even by THE HOLY SPIRIT.

The KJV is not interpreted exact but God expects us to rightly divide the word and not to mention I believe that the mistakes that are made still tell a truthGod wants us to see , the Holy Spirit has written the bible on multiple levels and is peeled back just like an onion when guided by Jesus .

I generally agree with that premise. From there it's a question of methods applied, which hopefully you'll get around to at some point?

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s

 

[YeShallTread]

Pardon me for raising an eyebrow of suspicion on your claim that races have no bearing on the subject followed by bringing on THE JEWS as assuredly having BEARING.

Do you think that takes some special hearing and seeing glasses to figure out?

Are you really that obtuse or...do you just want to argue Squint? I would bet on the latter.

The reason the Isralites (not the Jews) were mentioned is the reason I gave, the reason God gave...have ye not read?

Because they're prettier, smarter, stronger, better dressers or speakers? They were chosen to be HIS SERVANTS, to protect and carry His word to the world. In others words...a redemptive lineage.

but I thought you just said races didn't matter?

Are they a "race" or a line, a specific line?

So, you ARE saying that a particular RACE did/does indeed MATTER, correct?

?

Did the Holy Spirit teach you how to double talk?

?

s

I don't double talk....you just don't hear what is plainly stated.

 

[Tzaousios]

Archeological facts establish the presence of giants and some elongated skulls under some of those Egyptian pharoah hats. Regardless of arguments over dating methods, super-advanced technology is abundantly evidenced by stone architecture of super weight with vitrified surfaces & joints fitted 'impossibly' tight.

What are the "archaeological facts" that establish what you say about skulls and super-advanced technology?

 

[YeShallTread]

LET'S GET ON WITH THE DIVIDING with some facts, shall we?

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s

I'm still waiting. What facts do you want to divide?

 

[squint]

Are you really that obtuse or...do you just want to argue Squint? I would bet on the latter.

Whether you term them Israelite lineage or or Jewish lineage the proposal observed is that it is a racial lineage regardless. The fact that you have split an Israelite lineage from a Jewish lineage is also telling.

If your claim is that there is a different lineage, Israelite from Jew, in the O.T. you may start an interesting dissection there?

Eventually these things add up to your real bottom line positions which is hoped to be delivered at some point of relevance.

s

 

[Rick Otto]

What are the "archaeological facts" that establish what you say about skulls and super-advanced technology?

Skulls:
from Wiki:
"The Paracas situation is somewhat unique in that researchers Juan Navarro and Brien Foerster have found the presence of at least 5 distinct shapes of elongated skulls, each being predominant in specific cemeteries. The largest and most striking are from a site called Chongos, near the town of Pisco, north of Paracas. These skulls are called "cone heads" by many who see them, because of their literal conical appearance. Testing of these have illustrated that, on average, the cranial capacity is 1.5 liters, approximately 25% larger than contemporary skulls, and weigh as much as 60 percent more. Also, eye orbit cavities are significantly larger than contemporary skulls, and the jaws are both larger and thicker. Moreover, the presence of 2 small holes in the back of the Chongos skulls, called foramen, indicate that blood flow and perhaps nerves exited the skull at the back in order to feed the skin tissue. This would seem to indicate that nature did this, and not cranial deformation."

Technology:
There are so many it's hard to decide where to start besides the pyramids that are of diverse cultures yet conform in proportion & placement to dictates of 'sacred science'. Here's a page to help you browse:
http://www.beforeus.com/some_original.html

One of the latest eye poppers I've heard of are I think two pyramids of solid quartz crystal underwater in the Bermuda Triangle that are larger than the big one in Egypt.:
http://www.collective-evolution.com...-crystal-pyramid-discovered-bermuda-triangle/#_

 

[Tzaousios]

Skulls:
from Wiki:
"The Paracas situation is somewhat unique in that researchers Juan Navarro and Brien Foerster have found the presence of at least 5 distinct shapes of elongated skulls, each being predominant in specific cemeteries. The largest and most striking are from a site called Chongos, near the town of Pisco, north of Paracas. These skulls are called "cone heads" by many who see them, because of their literal conical appearance. Testing of these have illustrated that, on average, the cranial capacity is 1.5 liters, approximately 25% larger than contemporary skulls, and weigh as much as 60 percent more. Also, eye orbit cavities are significantly larger than contemporary skulls, and the jaws are both larger and thicker. Moreover, the presence of 2 small holes in the back of the Chongos skulls, called foramen, indicate that blood flow and perhaps nerves exited the skull at the back in order to feed the skin tissue. This would seem to indicate that nature did this, and not cranial deformation."

Technology

Still, though, even if "nature did this," compared to the norm, it ends up being nothing more than a certain number of people with a cranial deformation. Also, I do not see how the existence of some coneheads is directly linked to the production of "super technology."

 

[YeShallTread]

Whether you term them Israelite lineage or or Jewish lineage the proposal observed is that it is a racial lineage regardless. The fact that you have split an Israelite lineage from a Jewish lineage is also telling.

What is telling is that I know how to read Scripture. The tribes, all twelve, are Israel. Of those tribes is Judah...Ju-dah, Jew-dah. There is Israel and Israel is the [house of Israel and the house of Judah]. All are Israel but not all are Jews.

If your claim is that there is a different lineage, Israelite from Jew, in the O.T. you may start an interesting dissection there?

There is one lineage and two houses within the lineage...have ye not read?

Eventually these things add up to your real bottom line positions which is hoped to be delivered at some point of relevance.

s

Truth and understanding is what I hope to deliver.

 

[Rick Otto]

quote=Tzaousios; Still, though, even if "nature did this," compared to the norm, it ends up being nothing more than a certain number of people with a cranial deformation.

That's one way of lookin' at it, for sure.

Also, I do not see how the existence of some coneheads is directly linked to the production of "super technology."

Me either if all it is, is "nothing more than a certain number of people with a cranial deformation."

And without considering the architecture associated with them, it's even less visible.

 

[squint]

What is telling is that I know how to read Scripture. The tribes, all twelve, are Israel. Of those tribes is Judah...Ju-dah, Jew-dah. There is Israel and Israel is the [house of Israel and the house of Judah]. All are Israel but not all are Jews.

Certainly a debatable, unrequired and meaningless distinction:

Hosea 1:7
But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by the Lord their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses, nor by horsemen.

Hebrews 8:8
For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

There is one lineage and two houses within the lineage...have ye not read?

I am waiting for your other shoe to drop upon the 'Jews.'

s