Was the Great Pyramid Built Before Noah's Flood?

[Daniel Marsh]

read to here good discussion all

 

[d taylor]

All you need is faith in Jesus. The Bible can't save anyone.

I never said anything about The Bible saving anyone, but The Bible is the only place to learn who God established as the only object of a persons faith that gives Eternal Life. Which is the promised Messiah.

 

[klutedavid]

I never said anything about The Bible saving anyone, but The Bible is the only place to learn who God established as the only object of a persons faith that gives Eternal Life. Which is the promised Messiah.

I would disagree. There are many books written about Jesus in which a person can hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[d taylor]

I would disagree. There are many books written about Jesus in which a person can hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Around here people like to disagree just to disagree.

No duh, where do you think they got their information, from The Bible.

 

[coffee4u]

Based on real Science, a Local Flood is the only thing that really makes sense, Brother, Friend. YEC is a recent novelty history wise.

Anyone know why spell check does not work?

YEC model claims animals produced 12 tons of waste a day. Also, a world wide flood violates the well known rain cycle. Water evaporates one place and rains elsewhere. Thus, the water would never go down. There is a major problem with CO2. Without plants and trees to exchange gases to Oxygen. CO2 will effect breathing. Seeds would not survive under the pressure of water depth at the old "sea level".
I already pointed out The water pressure to tear up wood into toothpicks.

Firstly no one wants your huge text so I did you a service and reduced it.

If you actually read the Scriptures, not outside sources, nothing but a global flood fits.

Also again if you read the text there was no rain cycle until after the flood. A canopy surrounded the earth before the flood and the earth was kept watered from under the ground. Once this came down, then the rain cycle began.

We have no idea of what the the sea levels were. The land mass was torn apart and reshaped. It created valleys and mountains.

It was also a miracle driven by God not simply a natural event. Even if all the things needed for life had gone, life would still exist because God sustained it. How do you you think 3 men walked around in a fire without burning up?
Daniel 3:23 When God decides on a course of action it doesn't matter what laws of nature would normally do, the plan will take place as he decided regardless of fire, water, oxygen.

 

[Strong in Him]

I would disagree. There are many books written about Jesus in which a person can hear the gospel of Jesus Christ.

No one would know about Jesus if it were not for the Bible.

 

[JohnPaul88]

I have always marveled at the construction of the Pyramids and how God gave man ingenuity to have them built in times where modern machinery weren't available, but by man's hands and mind alone.

God is great.

 

[lismore]

How do we know that the Great Pyramid was built around 2500 BC? That figure is backed by a great deal of history. Egypt went through 28 dynasties of pharaohs before it became a Roman province. We have writing and inscriptions from ancient Egypt.

One method of dating uses the stars, which were used to align the pyramids to true north. Dr. Kate Spence, University of Cambridge, says that they used the stars Mizar and Kochab. To align a structure, hang a string with a substantial weight.

Hello there! Interesting but depends on many variables. Some of the Egyptian dynasties were known to run concurrently, rather than consecutively, in Upper and Lower Egypt for example. The re-interpretation of how many could throw the timeline off by hundreds of years.

Secondly the current tilt of the earth on it's axis of 23.5 degrees, perhaps it was not always so. This would change the pyramid star alignment by a considerable amount. Kind Regards to you

 

[Dale]

Hello there! Interesting but depends on many variables. Some of the Egyptian dynasties were known to run concurrently, rather than consecutively, in Upper and Lower Egypt for example. The re-interpretation of how many could throw the timeline off by hundreds of years.

Secondly the current tilt of the earth on it's axis of 23.5 degrees, perhaps it was not always so. This would change the pyramid star alignment by a considerable amount. Kind Regards to you

Hello, Lismore.


Egyptologists are well aware of Upper and Lower Egypt. The two had been united under one ruler for five hundred years when the Great Pyramid was built.


<< The two kingdoms of Upper and Lower Egypt were united c. 3000 BC, but each maintained its own regalia: the hedjet or White Crown for Upper Egypt and the deshret or Red Crown for Lower Egypt. Thus, the pharaohs were known as the rulers of the Two Lands ... >>

Upper and Lower Egypt - Wikipedia



The Great Pyramid is clearly aligned with the stars. You mention the tilt of the earth’s axis. The alignment of the Great Pyramid proves that the earth’s tilt hasn’t changed since it was built. Besides, the only thing that would change the tilt of the earth’s axis is a major impact by an asteroid, comet, or an even larger body. An impact great enough to knock the earth off its axis would almost certainly destroy all life on earth, so we can be sure that did not happen.

 

[lismore]

Hello, Lismore.

Hello Dale!

Egyptologists are well aware of Upper and Lower Egypt. The two had been united under one ruler for five hundred years when the Great Pyramid was built.

I believe Egypt split into Upper and Lower several times within it's History, with different dynasties on the throne. For example the twenty second and twenty third dynasties I believe ran concurrently, one in Upper and one in Lower Egypt (though I may be wrong). Depending on how many dynasties ran concurrently and other knowledge which may be fragmentary the timeline of Egyptian History could be off by many years.

An impact great enough to knock the earth off its axis would almost certainly destroy all life on earth, so we can be sure that did not happen.

I had the thought when reading your post-the bible speaks of a cataclysm which destroyed the greater part of life on earth in the times of Noah. Perhaps the two could be linked. Interesting! Thanks for replying. Kind Regards

 

[Arctangent]

The Septuagint rendering of Genesis, which is translated from a Hebrew that is many centuries older than the Masoretic Texts, has 1177 years between the Flood and the birth of Abraham and his brothers. If that genealogy is meant to be an exhaustive list of names (it may or may not be), that would still leave plenty of time for the Great Pyramid to be built after the flood.

 

[Dale]

Can you show me exactly where or how the Septuagint says this?
I am not sure that 1177 years would be enough time to take care of that. Is that time enough for society to advance to the point of carrying out large scale projects like building a pyramid?

 

[Arctangent]

Can you show me exactly where or how the Septuagint says this?
I am not sure that 1177 years would be enough time to take care of that. Is that time enough for society to advance to the point of carrying out large scale projects like building a pyramid?

Just in terms of the historical timeline, it at least makes the Great Pyramid fit after the Flood. If the Great Pyramid was built around 500 years before Abraham, then it would have been built 600-700 years after the Flood per the Septuagint timeline.

Mankind was scattered in the days of Peleg. According to the Septuagint, Peleg was born 646 years before Abraham and died 437 years before Abraham. Babel happened in that time-frame. The Great Pyramid was also built in that time frame.

If mankind could build the Tower at Babel, they could also build the Great Pyramid.

 

[Dale]

Just in terms of the historical timeline, it at least makes the Great Pyramid fit after the Flood. If the Great Pyramid was built around 500 years before Abraham, then it would have been built 600-700 years after the Flood per the Septuagint timeline.

Mankind was scattered in the days of Peleg. According to the Septuagint, Peleg was born 646 years before Abraham and died 437 years before Abraham. Babel happened in that time-frame. The Great Pyramid was also built in that time frame.

If mankind could build the Tower at Babel, they could also build the Great Pyramid.

You are not giving me any specifics. Are you saying that genealogies in the Spetuagint are different, that they are longer? You will have to quote those to be taken seriously. You can't just refer to a manuscript.

 

[Arctangent]

You are not giving me any specifics. Are you saying that genealogies in the Spetuagint are different, that they are longer? You will have to quote those to be taken seriously. You can't just refer to a manuscript.

Yes, I am saying that the generations in the Septuagint version of Genesis 11 are longer than the Masoretic Hebrew.

"10And these are the generations of Shem; Shem was an hundred years old when he begat Arphaxad the second year after the flood.

11And Shem lived after he begat Arphaxad five hundred years, and begat sons and daughters, and he died.

12And Arphaxad lived an hundred five and thirty years, and begat Cainan.

13And Arphaxad lived after he begat Cainan four hundred years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died. And Cainan lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat Salah. And Cainan lived after he begat Salah three hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

14And Salah lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat Eber.

15And Salah lived after he begat Eber three hundred and thirty years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

16And Eber lived an hundred thirty and four years, and begat Peleg.

17And Eber lived after he begat Peleg two hundred threescore and ten years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

18And Peleg lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat Reu.

19And Peleg lived after he begat Reu two hundred and nine years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

20And Reu lived an hundred thirty and two years, and begat Serug.

21And Reu lived after he begat Serug two hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

22And Serug lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat Nahor.

23And Serug lived after he begat Nahor two hundred years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

24And Nahor lived an hundred nine and seventy years, and begat Terah.

25And Nahor lived after he begat Terah an hundred twenty and five years, and begat sons and daughters; and he died.

26And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram and Nahor, and Haran."

 

[Andrewn]

Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.

He begat Shem when he was 500 y/o.

So, Arphaxad was born during, or immediately after, the flood.

Abraham is usually assumed to have been born around 2150 BC

The Great Pyramid of Khufu was built around 2550 BC.

The pyramid of Djoser was built in 2780 BC.

Arphaxad was born at end of the Flood in 3359 BC.

 

[Arctangent]

Arphaxad was born two years after the flood, or in the second year after the flood (depending on the translation).

 

[Daniel Marsh]

The Septuagint rendering of Genesis, which is translated from a Hebrew that is many centuries older than the Masoretic Texts, has 1177 years between the Flood and the birth of Abraham and his brothers. If that genealogy is meant to be an exhaustive list of names (it may or may not be), that would still leave plenty of time for the Great Pyramid to be built after the flood.

that does not prove anything, just begging the question

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Just in terms of the historical timeline, it at least makes the Great Pyramid fit after the Flood. If the Great Pyramid was built around 500 years before Abraham, then it would have been built 600-700 years after the Flood per the Septuagint timeline.

Mankind was scattered in the days of Peleg. According to the Septuagint, Peleg was born 646 years before Abraham and died 437 years before Abraham. Babel happened in that time-frame. The Great Pyramid was also built in that time frame.

If mankind could build the Tower at Babel, they could also build the Great Pyramid.

"Archaeologists believe Egypt’s large pyramids are the work of the Old Kingdom society that rose to prominence in the Nile Valley after 3000 B.C. Historical analysis tells us that the Egyptians built the Giza Pyramids in a span of 85 years between 2589 and 2504 BC."
How Old Are the Pyramids | Mark Lehner's Team Finds Out | Ancient Egypt Research Associates.
NOVA Online/Pyramids/How Old Are the Pyramids?

Here, one of the papyri in the ancient logbook, which documented the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza. (Image credit: Egyptian Ministry of Antiquities)
A logbook that contains records detailing the construction of the Great Pyramid of Giza has been put on public display at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo.

The Great Pyramid of Giza was built in honor of the pharaoh Khufu (reign ca. 2551 B.C.-2528 B.C.) and is the largest of the three pyramids constructed on the Giza plateau in Egypt. Considered a "wonder of the world" by ancient writers, the Great Pyramid was 481 feet (146 meters) tall when it was first constructed. Today it stands 455 feet (138 meters) high.

The logbook was written in hieroglyphic letters on pieces of papyri. Its author was an inspector named Merer, who was "in charge of a team of about 200 men," archaeologists Pierre Tallet and Gregory Marouard wrote in an article published in 2014 in the journal Near Eastern Archaeology. [In Photos: Inside Egypt's Great Pyramids]
Ancient Logbook Documenting Great Pyramid's Construction Unveiled

 

[Daniel Marsh]

Radiocarbon dating is the most widely used method for dating Holocene and latest Pleistocene earthquakes. The half-life of radioactive 14C (5730 years) limits the application of radiocarbon dating to organic matter formed from carbon fixed within the last 50 000–60 000 years (Trumbore, 2000).
Radiocarbon Dating - an overview | ScienceDirect Topics.

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