Was the Great Pyramid Built Before Noah's Flood?

[Dale]

My comment about no death before sin.
Romans 5:12-21
12 Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death came through sin, and so death spread to all because all have sinned
Is just one of the verses that does not gell with evolutions millions of years of death, is what I was saying.I do not believe that death, Nephesh chayyāh came to be until after the fall.

There are many psalms that talk about creation, but they are psalms, which is poetry and song.
Psalm 98:8
Let the rivers clap their hands, let the mountains sing together for joy;

Verses Exodus
20:11
For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

They are completely different literary styles. The first is poetry designed to make us picture a moving river splashing against the rocks and a blooming mountain of flowers blowing in the breeze. Obviously rivers don't have hands and mountains don't sing.
Genesis and Exodus are not poetry. Not to say they don't contain some, but you know when you are reading Miriam's song versus the Ten Commandments.

God tells us very plainly that he took 6 days and you have no rebuttal for it but to quote poetry?

You don't want to accept the Bible says 6 days due to science, but creation was a supernatural event, it can't be tested with science.
You can believe whatever you want, but don't try and pretend the Bible itself teaches millions of years, that is as believable as Paul teaching break dancing.

Coffee: << They are completely different literary styles. The first is poetry designed to make us picture a moving river splashing against the rocks and a blooming mountain of flowers blowing in the breeze. Obviously rivers don't have hands and mountains don't sing.
Genesis and Exodus are not poetry. >>


Coffee, you are trying to tell me that the Psalms are just poetry. In other words, they have no theological significance. This isn't true at all.

Everyone knows that Paul is the Great Theologian in the New Testament.
What did Paul think about the Psalms? Apparently quite a lot.

Romans 2:6 quotes Psalm 61:12.
Romans 3:4 quotes Psalm 50:4.
Romans 3:10-18 quotes Psalm 13:1-3 and also Psalm 4:10, 139:4, 9:28 and 35:2.
Romans 4:7-8 quotes Psalm 31:1-2.
Romans 8:36 quotes Psalm 43:22.
Romans 10:18 quotes Psalm 18:4.
Romans 11:9 quotes Psalm 68:22-23.
Romans 15:9 quotes Psalm 17:49.
A couple of verses later, Romans 15:7 quotes Psalm 116:1.

Let's go to I & II Corinthians.

I Corinthians 3:20 quotes Psalm 93:11.
I Corinthians 10:26 and 10:28 both quote Pslam 23:1.
I Corinthians 15:27 quotes Psalm 8:6.
II Corinthians 8:13 quotes Psalm 115:1.
II Corinthians 9:9 quotes Psalm 111:9.

The Psalms are quoted a couple of times in Ephesians.

Ephesians 4:8 quotes Psalm 111:9.
Ephesians 4:26 quotes Psalm 4:4.

While scholars don't believe that Paul wrote Hebrews, it is an important theological book of the NT.

Hebrews 1:5 quotes Psalm 2:7.
A couple of verses later, Hebrews 1:7 quotes Psalm 103:4.
In the next couple of verses, Hebrews 1:8-9 quotes Psalm 44:6-7.
In the next three verses, Hebrews 1:10-12 quotes Psalm 101:25-28.
Hebrews 2:6-8 quotes Psalm 8:6.
Still in the same chapter, Hebrews 2:12 quotes Psalm 21:22.
Hebrews 13:6 quotes both Psalm 26:1 and 107:6.

While the Epistles of Peter are much shorter, we find one there too.

I Peter 3:10-12 quotes Psalm 33:12-16.





If you think that the Psalms are just poetry, you need to rethink the position of the Psalms in the Bible.

 

[coffee4u]

Coffee: << They are completely different literary styles. The first is poetry designed to make us picture a moving river splashing against the rocks and a blooming mountain of flowers blowing in the breeze. Obviously rivers don't have hands and mountains don't sing.
Genesis and Exodus are not poetry. >>


Coffee, you are trying to tell me that the Psalms are just poetry. In other words, they have no theological significance. This isn't true at all.

Everyone knows that Paul is the Great Theologian in the New Testament.
What did Paul think about the Psalms? Apparently quite a lot.

Romans 2:6 quotes Psalm 61:12.
Romans 3:4 quotes Psalm 50:4.
Romans 3:10-18 quotes Psalm 13:1-3 and also Psalm 4:10, 139:4, 9:28 and 35:2.
Romans 4:7-8 quotes Psalm 31:1-2.
Romans 8:36 quotes Psalm 43:22.
Romans 10:18 quotes Psalm 18:4.
Romans 11:9 quotes Psalm 68:22-23.
Romans 15:9 quotes Psalm 17:49.
A couple of verses later, Romans 15:7 quotes Psalm 116:1.

Let's go to I & II Corinthians.

I Corinthians 3:20 quotes Psalm 93:11.
I Corinthians 10:26 and 10:28 both quote Pslam 23:1.
I Corinthians 15:27 quotes Psalm 8:6.
II Corinthians 8:13 quotes Psalm 115:1.
II Corinthians 9:9 quotes Psalm 111:9.

The Psalms are quoted a couple of times in Ephesians.

Ephesians 4:8 quotes Psalm 111:9.
Ephesians 4:26 quotes Psalm 4:4.

While scholars don't believe that Paul wrote Hebrews, it is an important theological book of the NT.

Hebrews 1:5 quotes Psalm 2:7.
A couple of verses later, Hebrews 1:7 quotes Psalm 103:4.
In the next couple of verses, Hebrews 1:8-9 quotes Psalm 44:6-7.
In the next three verses, Hebrews 1:10-12 quotes Psalm 101:25-28.
Hebrews 2:6-8 quotes Psalm 8:6.
Still in the same chapter, Hebrews 2:12 quotes Psalm 21:22.
Hebrews 13:6 quotes both Psalm 26:1 and 107:6.

While the Epistles of Peter are much shorter, we find one there too.

I Peter 3:10-12 quotes Psalm 33:12-16.



If you think that the Psalms are just poetry, you need to rethink the position of the Psalms in the Bible.

I didn't say they were of no importance, every part of the Bible is important and serves a purpose that we can be edified from.
2 Timothy 3:16-17



16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

But psalms are poetry and song. No one reads the 'trees clap their hands' and think trees have hands.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Regents and Co-Regents in the history of Egypt are not a problem.

Egyptologists are smart enough to figure that out.

You sure about that? Anyone can make mistakes.

 

[Dale]

There is no textual evidence that the Bible left out any names in the genealogical records.

Actually there is solid evidence that Biblical genealogies are unreliable and that names are left out of them. I don't enjoy pointing out discrepancies in the Bible because I want more people to read and understand the Bible. But there are discrepancies.

Matthew and Luke both give a genealogy for Jesus and they don't match. The names are different and they don't even have the same number of generations.

Matthew starts with Abraham while Luke starts with Adam. I will start the comparison with Abraham. From Abraham to David, Matthew and Luke are in agreement, then they clash. Not only are the names different, they don't even have the same number of generations. According to Matthew, Jesus is descended from David through Solomon, while Luke says that Jesus is descended from David through Nathan. According to Matthew, Jesus is the 41st generation from Abraham. According to Luke, Jesus is the 55th generation from Abraham.

Do either of these work out? If a generation is 25 years, then

41 generations x 25 years/generation = 1,025 years (per Matthew)

while

55 generations x 25 years/generation = 1,375 years (per Luke)

Abraham is known to have lived around 2,000 BC and Jesus was most likely born in 4 BC. It looks like Matthew's genealogy is almost a thousand years off. Matthew seems to have left out half the generations. Luke is only about 600 years off but still seems to have left out about 25 generations. Most likely, the correct genealogy for Jesus would have about eighty names between Abraham and Jesus.

This doesn't affect the moral and spiritual truth that are in the Bible.
The only conclusion is that names are left out of Biblical genealogies.

 

[JackRT]

GENEOLOGIES OF JESUS


1 Chronicles 3:5-19..Matthew 1: 1-17..Luke 3: 23-38

David 1004-965...........David......................David

Solomon 965-928........Solomon..................Nathan

Rehoboam 928-911.....Rehoboam...............Mattatha

Abijah 911-908............Abijah.....................Menna

Asa 908-867.................Asa.........................Melea

Jehoshaphat 867-846....Jehoshaphat...........Eliakim

Joram 846-843..............Joram.....................Jonam

Ahaziah 843-842.........................................Joseph **

Joash 837-798.............................................Judah **

Amaziah 798-769.......................................Simeon **

Azariah......................…Uzziah (Azariah)..Levi **

Jotham 741-733............ Jotham..................Matthat

Ahaz 733-727................Ahaz......................Jorim

Hezekiah 727-698..........Hezekiah...............

Manasseh 698-642.........Manasseh..............

Amon 641-640...............Amos (Amon)…...

Josiah 639-609...............Josiah....................Eliezer

Jehoiakim 608-598......................................Jesus

Jeconiah.........................Jeconiah *.............Er

.......................***** the exile *****..................

......................................Elmadam...................

......................................Cosam.......................

......................................Addi..........................

......................................Melchi.......................

......................................Neri...........................

Shealtiel.........................Salathiel.................Salathiel

Zerubbabel....................Zerubbabel.............Zerubbabel

.....................................Abiud......................Rhesa

.....................................Eliakim....................Joanan

.....................................Azor.........................Joda

.....................................Zadok.......................Josech

.....................................Achim......................Semien

.....................................Eliud........................Mattathias

.....................................Eleazar.....................Maath

.....................................Matthan....................Naggai

.......................................................................Esli

.......................................................................Nahum

......................................................................Amos

......................................................................Mattathias

......................................................................Joseph

......................................................................Jannai

.........................................................…..........Melchi

.......................................................................Levi

.......................................................................Matthat

.....................................Jacob....................….Heli

.....................................Joseph.......................Joseph

Notes:

* childless! See Jer 22: 30

** not used as personal names till after the exile

 

[Dale]

GENEOLOGIES OF JESUS


1 Chronicles 3:5-19..Matthew 1: 1-17..Luke 3: 23-38

David 1004-965...........David......................David

Solomon 965-928........Solomon..................Nathan

Rehoboam 928-911.....Rehoboam...............Mattatha

Abijah 911-908............Abijah.....................Menna

Asa 908-867.................Asa.........................Melea

Jehoshaphat 867-846....Jehoshaphat...........Eliakim

Joram 846-843..............Joram.....................Jonam

Ahaziah 843-842.........................................Joseph **

Joash 837-798.............................................Judah **

Amaziah 798-769.......................................Simeon **

Azariah......................…Uzziah (Azariah)..Levi **

Jotham 741-733............ Jotham..................Matthat

Ahaz 733-727................Ahaz......................Jorim

Hezekiah 727-698..........Hezekiah...............

Manasseh 698-642.........Manasseh..............

Amon 641-640...............Amos (Amon)…...

Josiah 639-609...............Josiah....................Eliezer

Jehoiakim 608-598......................................Jesus

Jeconiah.........................Jeconiah *.............Er

.......................***** the exile *****..................

......................................Elmadam...................

......................................Cosam.......................

......................................Addi..........................

......................................Melchi.......................

......................................Neri...........................

Shealtiel.........................Salathiel.................Salathiel

Zerubbabel....................Zerubbabel.............Zerubbabel

.....................................Abiud......................Rhesa

.....................................Eliakim....................Joanan

.....................................Azor.........................Joda

.....................................Zadok.......................Josech

.....................................Achim......................Semien

.....................................Eliud........................Mattathias

.....................................Eleazar.....................Maath

.....................................Matthan....................Naggai

.......................................................................Esli

.......................................................................Nahum

......................................................................Amos

......................................................................Mattathias

......................................................................Joseph

......................................................................Jannai

.........................................................…..........Melchi

.......................................................................Levi

.......................................................................Matthat

.....................................Jacob....................….Heli

.....................................Joseph.......................Joseph

Notes:

* childless! See Jer 22: 30

** not used as personal names till after the exile

Thank you for that additional information, Jack!

 

[Contenders Edge]

Actually there is solid evidence that Biblical genealogies are unreliable and that names are left out of them. I don't enjoy pointing out discrepancies in the Bible because I want more people to read and understand the Bible. But there are discrepancies.

Matthew and Luke both give a genealogy for Jesus and they don't match. The names are different and they don't even have the same number of generations.

Matthew starts with Abraham while Luke starts with Adam. I will start the comparison with Abraham. From Abraham to David, Matthew and Luke are in agreement, then they clash. Not only are the names different, they don't even have the same number of generations. According to Matthew, Jesus is descended from David through Solomon, while Luke says that Jesus is descended from David through Nathan. According to Matthew, Jesus is the 41st generation from Abraham. According to Luke, Jesus is the 55th generation from Abraham.

Do either of these work out? If a generation is 25 years, then

41 generations x 25 years/generation = 1,025 years (per Matthew)

while

55 generations x 25 years/generation = 1,375 years (per Luke)

Abraham is known to have lived around 2,000 BC and Jesus was most likely born in 4 BC. It looks like Matthew's genealogy is almost a thousand years off. Matthew seems to have left out half the generations. Luke is only about 600 years off but still seems to have left out about 25 generations. Most likely, the correct genealogy for Jesus would have about eighty names between Abraham and Jesus.

This doesn't affect the moral and spiritual truth that are in the Bible.
The only conclusion is that names are left out of Biblical genealogies.





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That is easily explained in the sense that we are looking at two different genealogies; Joseph's genealogy in Matthew and Mary's in Luke. That ought to be enough to explain why not all the names are the same in the two genealogies. And because the genealogies were recorded only with patriarchal names, there is reason to believe that not all of the men listed in Matthew's genealogy had sons but instead had daughters who married men from Mary's lineage and in a genealogy written in a patriarchal format, the names of mothers cannot be expected to appear which would explain why there are more generations recorded on Mary's side than Joseph's side.

 

[Dale]

That is easily explained in the sense that we are looking at two different genealogies; Joseph's genealogy in Matthew and Mary's in Luke. That ought to be enough to explain why not all the names are the same in the two genealogies. And because the genealogies were recorded only with patriarchal names, there is reason to believe that not all of the men listed in Matthew's genealogy had sons but instead had daughters who married men from Mary's lineage and in a genealogy written in a patriarchal format, the names of mothers cannot be expected to appear which would explain why there are more generations recorded on Mary's side than Joseph's side.

To say that one of the genealogies is through Mary was my first reaction when I was first told that they don't match. However, this isn't true. If you look at the list of names I provided, taken from the Gospels, you will see that both are through Joseph. They don't agree on Joseph's father.

Matthew says that Joseph's father was named Jacob while Luke says that Heli was Joseph's father. You say that only "patriarchal names" were recorded. The Jews would not have recognized any line except a patriarchal line from an important person in the past as significant. If there was a daughter/mother in the geneaology, line of legal descent would be broken in the Jewish mind of New Testament times. Leaving the name out wouldn't change this.

 

[Dale]

God is not interested in outside appearances but our hearts and the spiritual.
1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said to Samuel, "Do not consider his appearance or his height, for I have rejected him. The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

At that point in time, God had commanded them to move away, they wern't.

It was a completely different situation to the pyramids. These were built by pagan nations, God was not guiding them.

The Egyptian pyramids were not built for the same reasons as the Tower of Babel and therefore were not prevented, but the Tower of Babel was built in willful defiance of God and therefore is no more, but the city in which it originated is still there to this day: It is called Babylon, and that the existence of various different languages also testify to the event as well. No one has been able to explain how the different languages arose apart from Babel.

Genesis says that the Tower of Babel was built by Nimrod. Wasn't Nimrod a pagan? Isn't all paganism in defiance of God?

 

[Dale]

Hi dale,

I appreciate your teaching in this, however...

We don't have any idea how tall the tower actually got, before God intervened. God, knowing the heart and plans of every man, likely knew before the first stone was laid, what the people were up to. Yes, as you say, it seems that God considered the work to be a work of pride and accomplishment in the work of men. However, He would have known that before the foundation lines were established. So, while we know that God did go down and confuse the language of the workers at that place, we have no idea how tall the structure had been built when God did this. It could have been 10 stories tall or it could have merely had the first row of the foundation set. Yes, we look at pictures drawn of the event and we see a fairly high ziggurat standing on a base, but that's a picture from a man's imagination of how that man believed it might have looked. The Scriptures tell us that the group said, "Let's build a tower that reaches to the heavens." We don't have any evidence as to how far they had actually gotten in doing that before God put a stop to it.

So, the answer to your question, as I understand it, is that there was actually a structure that man considered to build that the Scriptures refer to as the tower of Babel. However, that there would necessarily be any remnants remaining of its construction is highly debatable. After all, if the stones used were good building stones, people may have come later and taken them to build other structures. So, what was begun may have been torn back down. It isn't like they called in 'Concrete is Us' to pour a 3' concrete foundation that may have lasted for thousands of generations that we might still have evidence of the structure's existence. Even if there was a 3' thick concrete foundation, we wouldn't have any way of knowing that it was poured as the base of the tower of Babel. It would just be a foundation laying out in the rough lands of the middle east somewhere. While we might surmise that it was the foundation of the tower, I don't think we could prove it.

For me, the Scriptures are true. As far as I'm concerned, pretty much everything we are told that happened in the Pentateuch, did really happen in real life, in real time. The books of the Pentateuch seem to be written in a fairly simple historical narrative form. But I admit that's just my understanding and that there are others.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Miamited: "We don't have any idea how tall the tower actually got, before God intervened. God, knowing the heart and plans of every man, likely knew before the first stone was laid, what the people were up to. Yes, as you say, it seems that God considered the work to be a work of pride and accomplishment in the work of men. However, He would have known that before the foundation lines were established. So, while we know that God did go down and confuse the language of the workers at that place, we have no idea how tall the structure had been built when God did this. It could have been 10 stories tall or it could have merely had the first row of the foundation set."



5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building.
Genesis 11:5 NIV

This sounds like the tower was far enough along that there was something for a visitor to look at. That is why we are told, in a symbolic sense, that God "came down" to "see the city and the tower." Genesis indicates that the project well underway with visible results when God put a stop to it. It seems to me that we should be able to find some evidence of such a massive project.

 

[Andrewn]

To say that one of the genealogies is through Mary was my first reaction when I was first told that they don't match. However, this isn't true. If you look at the list of names I provided, taken from the Gospels, you will see that both are through Joseph. They don't agree on Joseph's father. Matthew says that Joseph's father was named Jacob while Luke says that Heli was Joseph's father.

According to Church tradition, Heli was Joseph's father-in-law (Mary's father). I don't have a problem with this.

The other point you made, that the number of generations is different in the 2 lists shows that not all generations are listed in biblical genealogies. One can also see this by comparing genealogy of Moses and Joshua, for example. Or genealogy of Ezra and Joshua the priest, or comparing the descendants of Adam in the Masoretic and LXX, etc.

 

[Contenders Edge]

To say that one of the genealogies is through Mary was my first reaction when I was first told that they don't match. However, this isn't true. If you look at the list of names I provided, taken from the Gospels, you will see that both are through Joseph. They don't agree on Joseph's father.

Matthew says that Joseph's father was named Jacob while Luke says that Heli was Joseph's father. You say that only "patriarchal names" were recorded. The Jews would not have recognized any line except a patriarchal line from an important person in the past as significant. If there was a daughter/mother in the geneaology, line of legal descent would be broken in the Jewish mind of New Testament times. Leaving the name out wouldn't change this.

Joseph and Mary were both descendants of David according to both their genealogies which is one reason why they were both included. Heli would have been Joseph's father through his marriage to Mary. While the Jews traditionally may not have recognized any line other than a patriarchal line, the Gospel writers did not exactly follow Jewish tradition when they included their genealogies and there is a reason as to why they didn't.

 

[Contenders Edge]

According to Church tradition, Heli was Joseph's father-in-law (Mary's father). I don't have a problem with this.

The other point you made, that the number of generations is different in the 2 lists shows that not all generations are listed in biblical genealogies. One can also see this by comparing genealogy of Moses and Joshua, for example. Or genealogy of Ezra and Joshua the priest, or comparing the descendants of Adam in the Masoretic and LXX, etc.

One factor that can explain the gaps in most cases, which I forgot to mention, is that if a man died without any children and his brother or next of kin took his wife, according to both custom and the Mosaic law, any children his next of kin had by the wife of the deceased would not be credited to him but to her previous husband.

Therefore, the best explanation for most of the gaps is that some of the men listed in the genealogies may have died before producing any offspring therefore the wife by whom they otherwise might have produced offspring might have been taken by a son begotten by the deceased through another wife before her because the circumstances were such that the deceased had no other next of kin to raise up offspring in his name.

 

[-57]

It is generally agreed that Abraham lived around 2,000 BC (or about 4,000 years ago). Archaeologists and historians tell us that the Great Pyramid of Egypt was built around 2,500 BC (or 4,500 years ago). So the Great Pyramid was about five hundred years old when Abraham came out of the city of Ur.

Creationists, or at least those who claim that the world is only six thousand years old, say that there are only 400 years between Noah's Flood and Abraham -- or even less, as we shall see. This is unworkable.

For instance, one website gives the following dates.*

Creation 4004 BC

Flood 2348 BC

Tower of Babel 2234 BC Only 114 years after the Flood????

Abraham 1996 BC Only 352 years after the Flood????



As you can see, this creationist date of 1996 BC for Abraham is very close to the generally accepted figure of around 2000 BC. Yet they claim that the Tower of Babel, an immense project requiring tens of thousands of workers, happened only a trifle over a hundred years after the Flood. These workers would have to be supported by millions of farmers or herders. Keep in mind that after the Flood, Genesis says there were only eight people in the world.

There is solid evidence that the Great Pyramid and others nearby were built around 2500 BC, about 500 years before Abraham. Creationist reckoning seems to put the Great Pyramid before the Flood.



*www.biblehistory.com/timeline

One interesting thing you can do is compare the LXX Septuagint with the Masoretic text.

You need to look after the flood and compare the ages of when guys like Peleg had children.

What you find is....Gen 11 When Eber had lived 34 years, he fathered Peleg in the Masoretic and ...When Eber had lived 134 years, he fathered Peleg in the LXX. 100 years is added to several people in the genealogy. This would allow time to populate and build the pyramids after the flood.

 

[-57]

Here is a video some might find interesting.

 

[Daniel Marsh]

bbumpooo

 

[Torah Keeper]

I think Dr. Spence's star alignment theory is stupid. If they could build a pyramid with hewn stone, then they had a compass. Even if it was an iron needle on a string. And they could get true north with shadows from putting sticks in the ground. Yoú go ahead and try lining up true north using stars. It's laughable to me. The Great Pyramid is an example of fairly high technology. Machine- cut stones for example. The level of precision in it rivals modern structures. It's clearly not the work of primitive savages. But that doesn't mean aliens built it either. People were smarter than we give them credit.

Now, about the date. The pyramids could have been built in a wide range of years. People think the Hebrews built them. Or Enoch built the Great Pyramid before the flood. Or Shem. Or some pharoah no one agrees on. The fact is we don't really know.

As far as shafts and such lining up with stars at certain dates, it's nonsense.

If I had to guess I would say the Great Pyramid was built after Babel. I think the population of Mitsraim and their technology had developed enough after the flood to build it. So around 2000-2100 BC or so.

 

[Dale]

I think Dr. Spence's star alignment theory is stupid. If they could build a pyramid with hewn stone, then they had a compass. Even if it was an iron needle on a string. And they could get true north with shadows from putting sticks in the ground. Yoú go ahead and try lining up true north using stars. It's laughable to me. The Great Pyramid is an example of fairly high technology. Machine- cut stones for example. The level of precision in it rivals modern structures. It's clearly not the work of primitive savages. But that doesn't mean aliens built it either. People were smarter than we give them credit.

Now, about the date. The pyramids could have been built in a wide range of years. People think the Hebrews built them. Or Enoch built the Great Pyramid before the flood. Or Shem. Or some pharoah no one agrees on. The fact is we don't really know.

As far as shafts and such lining up with stars at certain dates, it's nonsense.

If I had to guess I would say the Great Pyramid was built after Babel. I think the population of Mitsraim and their technology had developed enough after the flood to build it. So around 2000-2100 BC or so.

TorahKeeper, hello, since I don’t think we’ve met before.


TorahKeeper: “Dr. Spence's star alignment theory is stupid.”

Astronomers have believed that the pyramids are aligned with the stars for at least a hundred years. I read about it when I was a child. Dr. Spence’s work is a refinement.

“If they could build a pyramid with hewn stone, then they had a compass. Even if it was an iron needle on a string.”

You are forgetting that the Egyptians identified stars and planets with their gods. They may not have been concerned about magnetic north, they were concerned to be aligned with the gods. This is especially true because the pyramids are huge mausoleums. They believed the Pharoah’s spirit would be escorted into the afterlife from there.

“If I had to guess I would say the Great Pyramid was built after Babel.”

Where are the ruins of Babel? They have never been found. Babel is a parable, not a historical event.

 

[Torah Keeper]

TorahKeeper, hello, since I don’t think we’ve met before.


TorahKeeper: “Dr. Spence's star alignment theory is stupid.”

Astronomers have believed that the pyramids are aligned with the stars for at least a hundred years. I read about it when I was a child. Dr. Spence’s work is a refinement.

“If they could build a pyramid with hewn stone, then they had a compass. Even if it was an iron needle on a string.”

You are forgetting that the Egyptians identified stars and planets with their gods. They may not have been concerned about magnetic north, they were concerned to be aligned with the gods. This is especially true because the pyramids are huge mausoleums. They believed the Pharoah’s spirit would be escorted into the afterlife from there.

“If I had to guess I would say the Great Pyramid was built after Babel.”

Where are the ruins of Babel? They have never been found. Babel is a parable, not a historical event.

Hello Dale.

Babel is a real city. Nimrod built it. It is in the plain of Shinar in modern day Iraq. The Tower of Babel was only part of the city, and it was never completed. I think the city of Babel was actually the first floor of the tower.

Babel is actually a famous place. It was studied in the 19th century and excavated in the early 20th century. Saddam Hussein, the famous dictator of Iraq, attempted to rebuild the old ruins as his new capitol city. He thought he was Nebuchadnezzar reincarnated. He even inscribed his name on many of the bricks. But he was executed, and today the city is still ruins.

 

[coffee4u]

Where are the ruins of Babel? They have never been found. Babel is a parable, not a historical event.

The Tower of babel was a real city.

Parables have a certain literacy style, this is missing from the passages on the TOB.
There are five types of parables and TOB fits none of them.