Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[ToBeLoved]

I don't know "everything" either...

God Bless!

Me either. You may be in good company

 

[Bible Highlighter]

why are you posting all these New Testament, New Covenant verses.

King David was under the Old Covenant. Also, with the blood sacrifices of the Levitical / Aaronic priesthoods they had atonement for sin.

So I'm not seeing your point anymore, as a matter of fact, I think you are further confusing the OP with the verses you are choosing (NT)

The Bible breathes as a whole.

 

[mark kennedy]

King David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

That's your problem, you can't answer a single substantive question. What about original sin ? No reply. Hebrews 6:4-6 states in no uncertain terms to fall away from Christ means repentance becomes impossible. No reply. Adultery calls for an act of adultery, no wait Jesus says if you look at a woman lustfully you committed adultery. No murderer can be saved, or is it when you say racca, or is it when you call your brother a fool that your in danger of hell fire? But you don't answer those questions because you can't be bothered with the context of the verse you quote in a stream, you can't be bothered with the intent of the original author. How is a person saved Jason, when you stop sinning? When did you become a sinner, David says it's at conception, (Psalm 51:5), Paul says it was in Eden. When was it Jason, when does a person become a sinner needing to be saved my grace? Oh that's right you don't do actual theology, you just argue the same thing in circles till the wheels come off.

 

[ToBeLoved]

The Bible breathes as a whole.

Of course, but discussing David who is under the Old Covenant using New Covenant verses is just not good theology as the Covenants are very different.

I don't think this is an excuse for not using verses that would pertain to King David.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thats your problem, you can't answer a single substantive question. What avout original sin ? No reply. Hebrews 6:4-6 atates in no uncertain terms to fall away from Christ means repentance becomes impossible. No reply. Adultry calls for an act of adultry, no wait Jeaus says if you look atba woman lustfully you commited afultry. No murderer can be saved, or is it when you say racca, or is it when you call your brother a fool that your in danger of hell fire? But you don't answer those questions because you can't be bothered with the context of the verse you quote in a sream, you can't be bothered with the intent of the original author. How is a person saved Jason, when you stop sinning? When did you become a sinner, David says it's at conception, (Psalm 51:5), Paul says it was in Eve. When was it Jason, when does a person become a sinner needing to be saved my grace? Oh thats right you don't do actual theology, you just argue the same thing in circles till the wheels come off.

King David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Of course, but discussing David who is under the Old Covenant using New Covenant verses is just not good theology as the Covenants are very different.

I don't think this is an excuse for not using verses that would pertain to King David.

Your not convincing me. You have to use Scripture to do that.
If you feel murder has changed between the Old and the New, then you have to show me where in the Bible it has changed. So far. I have proof that adultery is spiritual death in both the Old and New Testaments (See Proverbs 6:32, and Matthew 5:28-30). Why do you think it would be different with murder?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Thats your problem, you can't answer a single substantive question. What avout original sin ? No reply. Hebrews 6:4-6 atates in no uncertain terms to fall away from Christ means repentance becomes impossible. No reply. Adultry calls for an act of adultry, no wait Jeaus says if you look atba woman lustfully you commited afultry. No murderer can be saved, or is it when you say racca, or is it when you call your brother a fool that your in danger of hell fire? But you don't answer those questions because you can't be bothered with the context of the verse you quote in a sream, you can't be bothered with the intent of the original author. How is a person saved Jason, when you stop sinning? When did you become a sinner, David says it's at conception, (Psalm 51:5), Paul says it was in Eve. When was it Jason, when does a person become a sinner needing to be saved my grace? Oh thats right you don't do actual theology, you just argue the same thing in circles till the wheels come off.

Go to the following CF thread to discuss Hebrews 6:4-6.

What do you think Hebrews 6:4-6 says?

 

[mark kennedy]

Go to the following CF thread to discuss Hebrews 6:4-6.

What do you think Hebrews 6:4-6 says?

It says that under these conditions:

• It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened
• Who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit.
• Who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age
• And who have fallen away,

To be brought back to repentance. Now all of these can be applied to David prior to his adulterous affair, if he had lost his salvation it would be impossible for him to have been 'brought back to repentance'. Actually I think I'm in the right place, still dealing with the same issue. Not only that you have failed to address the issues of original sin (Psalms 51:5 Romans 3:10-11 Romans 5:12). Which is the essential element of the gospel relevant to losing salvation because it's the essential reason justification by grace through faith is necessary in the first place.

Furthermore, the sin nature being a part of the believers condition after conversion is a vital doctrine but presently, the point of doctrine you address exclusively, is how you lose salvation.

As far as I'm concerned this comes down to two essential elements of the gospel, that the atonement of Christ was once and for all time and you die to sin, by being baptized into Christ only once. Now we are never going to get that far if you continue to refuse to address the essential doctrine of original sin and the true nature of repentance.

I've looked at a lot of theological perspectives on this, from Calvinism and eternal security to the entire sanctification doctrine of John Wesley best represented today in the Nazarene church. I actually studied with the Nazarenes in Colorado Springs at the Nazarene Bible College so I'm pretty familiar with most of the main stream doctrines regarding salvation and whether or not you can lose salvation.

So we are going to keep going in circles with this until you start treating this like a doctrinal issue and stop simply repeating this mistaken mantra you can neither defend nor qualify. You tell us you were formerly OSAS, I don't know what that means since there is no such doctrine. The Calvinist doctrine of eternal security is based on justification by grace through faith and invariably Calvinists are capable Bible and theology students.

So we can deal with this as the theological problem you present it as, or you can continue to argue in circles around the issues, your choice.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[mark kennedy]

Your not convincing me. You have to use Scripture to do that.
If you feel murder has changed between the Old and the New, then you have to show me where in the Bible it has changed. So far. I have proof that adultery is spiritual death in both the Old and New Testaments (See Proverbs 6:32, and Matthew 5:28-30). Why do you think it would be different with murder?

Jesus tell us in the Sermon on the Mount that to look lustfully at a woman is adultery and calling your brother a fool is worse then murder. Jesus is preaching this in Matthew and this is the Son of God doing an exposition of the Old Testament Law emphasizing the one inescapable fact of the gospel and the Law, we are all sinners. These people were deeply religious and not given to a lot of carnal living, quite the opposite, they were determined to keep the minutia of the Law. Jesus is telling them, in no uncertain terms that the righteous requirements of the Law are that you be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect. This is either impossible under the Mosaic Law or Christ died for nothing:

"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!'" (Galatians 2:21)
​

Here's a suggestion that might help you a little, while your looking up these verses, stick around a while and learn the context.

Have a nice day
Mark

 

[ToBeLoved]

Your not convincing me. You have to use Scripture to do that.
If you feel murder has changed between the Old and the New, then you have to show me where in the Bible it has changed. So far. I have proof that adultery is spiritual death in both the Old and New Testaments (See Proverbs 6:32, and Matthew 5:28-30). Why do you think it would be different with murder?

It seems to me that scripture is on David’s side.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Jesus tell us in the Sermon on the Mount that to look lustfully at a woman is adultery and calling your brother a fool is worse then murder. Jesus is preaching this in Matthew and this is the Son of God doing an exposition of the Old Testament Law emphasizing the one inescapable fact of the gospel and the Law, we are all sinners. These people were deeply religious and not given to a lot of carnal living, quite the opposite, they were determined to keep the minutia of the Law. Jesus is telling them, in no uncertain terms that the righteous requirements of the Law are that you be perfect, just as your father in heaven is perfect. This is either impossible under the Mosaic Law or Christ died for nothing:

"I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!'" (Galatians 2:21)
​

Here's a suggestion that might help you a little, while your looking up these verses, stick around a while and learn the context.

Have a nice day
Mark

God's Grace + Obedience = Salvation:

Godliness and obeying the words of Jesus is a part of God's grace.

Paul says,

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not [does not agree] to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,"
(1 Timothy 6:3-4).​

James says,

"God resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).​

Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

So Jesus was making changes to the Law.

Jesus mentions the Old Law, and then Jesus says, "But I say unto you."
Some of these changes were extensions upon the Old, and some of these changes were an abolishment of a particular Old Law entirely.

Old Way:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:" (Matthew 5:21).​

The New Way:
(Slight Change of Law - An Extension Was Added by Jesus):

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."
​

The Old Way:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Matthew 5:27).​

The New Way:
(Slight Change of Law - An Extension was Added by Jesus):

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28).
​

The Old Way:

"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths" (Matthew 5:33).​

The New Way:
(Change of Law - The Old Law is Not To Be Followed at This Point Anymore Because Jesus is Giving Us New Law or Better Way that Replaces the Old One):

"But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne" (Matthew 5:34).
​

The Old Way:

"Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth" (Matthew 5:38).

The New Way:
(Change of Law - The Old Law is Not To Be Followed at This Point Anymore Because Jesus is Giving Us New Law or Better Way that Replaces the Old One):

"But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also." (Matthew 5:39).​

Jesus said if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). This was in context to the Moral Law like: "Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc." (See Matthew 19:18-19). Note: If you were to read the conclusion of the end of Matthew 19, the Lord Jesus's point was not how we could not obey His commands, but it was about forsaking things to inherit eternal life (Which the disciples were able to do). Also, another rich person (named Zacchaeus) was just willing to give away half of his goods to the poor, and Jesus said salvation had came to his house that day (Luke 19:1-10).

Another time when Jesus clearly taught us that we have to obey His commands as a part of eternal life is in Luke 10:25-28. A certain lawyer asked Jesus what must he do to inherit eternal life. Jesus essentially asked him how does one read the Scriptures to answer that. The lawyer replied: Love God (with some added details) and love your neighbor. Now, Jesus gave a reply to this statement. He said, "You have answered right: this do, and you shall live." (Luke 10:28). If what you say is true, then Jesus would have said, "No. You do err; You have to trust in my sacrifice alone to inherit eternal life." But this is not what Jesus said. Clearly Jesus meant what He said here.

Even Paul agrees with this.

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." (Romans 8:13).

So in conclusion:

While we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace, we also have to obey Christ's commands as a part of inheriting eternal life, too.

May God's blessings be upon you (even if we disagree on many things strongly).


Side Note:

So what was Paul talking about in Galatians 2:21?
Well, I am going to answer this in another post to you (so as not to make this post too long).

 

[mark kennedy]

God's Grace + Obedience = Salvation:

Godliness and obeying the words of Jesus is a part of God's grace.

Paul says,

3 "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not [does not agree] to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
4 He is proud, knowing nothing,"
(1 Timothy 6:3-4).​

God's grace provides obedience, it's through a miracle known as being born again. Paul his warning Timothy who is now a Pastor, to stand on the gospel and oppose false teachers, who cause some through their nefarious teachings to 'fall away' from the faith. A warning very similar to the one in Hebrews 6:4-6.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils (1 Timothy 4:1)​

Timothy was with Paul when he was originally arrested in Jerusalem, even though he was a naturally born Jew, circumcised and ceremonially clean at the time they were accused of defiling the Temple. The primary false doctrine Paul is warning about here is not licentiousness, it's legalism.

James says,

"God resists the proud, but gives grace unto the humble." (James 4:6).​

Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

What Jesus said is that not one jot or tittle shall be dropped from the Law until all is fulfilled. He is crystal clear you can't keep that standard, that is being perfect as the Father is perfect, apart from grace, that is impossible or Christ died for nothing. The Sermon on the Mount starts with Blessed are the poor in spirit and the word for poor there means utterly destitute. Thus the mourning that comes with meekness as you hunger and thirst for righteousness. I ask you again, what is your position on original sin? (Psalms 51:5 Romans 3:9 Romans 5:12) Is falling away from the faith, from Christ and grace the same as the unpardonable sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? Mark 3:28-30. If you fall away from the faith are you a child of perdition, yes or no Jason?

So Jesus was making changes to the Law.

Jesus is setting aside the Law because it's fulfilled in him. The righteous requirements of the Law Romans 3:20-21 are communicated to the sinner by grace through faith Romans 3:22-23.

Jesus mentions the Old Law, and then Jesus says, "But I say unto you."
Some of these changes were extensions upon the Old, and some of these changes were an abolishment of a particular Old Law entirely.

That cannot happen until the atonement for sin, the righteous requirements of the Law are fulfilled by grace through faith. (1 Corinthians 15:3-4 Romans 5:11 1 John 2:2)

Old Way:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:" (Matthew 5:21).​

The New Way:
(Slight Change of Law - An Extension Was Added by Jesus):

"But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."​

Not so new, righteousness has always been from the inside out. The reason this springs up is that we are born with a corrupt heart, the cure is a new heart. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks and the thoughts and inclinations of the heart are the root of every evil expressed in human experience.

The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jeremiah 17:9) Why is that Jason? What is the solution?​

The Old Way:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Matthew 5:27).​

The New Way:
(Slight Change of Law - An Extension was Added by Jesus):

"But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:28).​

Jesus is explaining how it works, you see, you want, you reach, you take. This is a literary feature of the Old Testament as well.

Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. (Psalms 1:1)​

Your walking down the road, your standing in the doorway, your sitting at their table. There is a progression, it's a common Hebrew literary feature that would have been very familiar to Jesus and his contemporaries. Jesus is describing how actions proceed from the thoughts and inclinations of the heart. This was nothing new.

The Old Way:

"Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths" (Matthew 5:33).​

I'll forgo the other two since they are beside the point here.

Jesus said if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17). This was in context to the Moral Law like: "Do not murder, do not steal, do not covet, etc." (See Matthew 19:18-19). Note: If you were to read the conclusion of the end of Matthew 19, the Lord Jesus's point was not how we could not obey His commands, but it was about forsaking things to inherit eternal life (Which the disciples were able to do). Also, another rich person (named Zacchaeus) was just willing to give away half of his goods to the poor, and Jesus said salvation had came to his house that day (Luke 19:1-10).

Zacchaeus had already received grace by Christ to fellowship at his table. Zacchaeus had already been chosen out of a crowd for no apparent reason, quite possibly the most unlikely choice in the crowd, to demonstrate the power of God's grace in the heart of such a man. Jesus never said give half your possessions and pay back what you effectively stole, he never said anything of the sort. Jesus sat there, not saying a word, I imagine grinning from ear to ear as all eyes were on Zacchaeus. So that day salvation came to town, picked Zacchaeus out of a tree and sat down to dinner and was sitting there sipping wine when all eyes turned to Zacchaeus. Jesus said nothing, while his enemies maligned the grace shown this miserable, wretched sinner that had just received the greatest honor of his life by grace. What would you do? Let his enemies slander and malign him, or would it be worth everything you have to honor this man who for once in your life, sat at your table and honored you with his fellowship and is now being attacked for this apparently nefarious relationship with you? Zacchaeus did what he did because of grace since it's obvious he was anything but worthy.

Check the use of the term grace used in 1 Corinthians 12 Jason, and how it is used in that context. It's (χάρισμα G5486 - charisma) in case your confused, and we can talk some more about justification by grace through faith.

Another time when Jesus clearly taught us that we have to obey His commands as a part of eternal life is in Luke 10:25-28. A certain lawyer asked Jesus what must he do to inherit eternal life. Jesus essentially asked him how does one read the Scriptures to answer that. The lawyer replied: Love God (with some added details) and love your neighbor. Now, Jesus gave a reply to this statement. He said, "You have answered right: this do, and you shall live." (Luke 10:28). If what you say is true, then Jesus would have said, "No. You do err; You have to trust in my sacrifice alone to inherit eternal life." But this is not what Jesus said. Clearly Jesus meant what He said here.

Even Paul agrees with this.

"For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live." (Romans 8:13).

But how? By what means do we mortify the deeds of the earthly nature? (see Colossians 3:5)

So in conclusion:

While we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace, we also have to obey Christ's commands as a part of inheriting eternal life, too.

May God's blessings be upon you (even if we disagree on many things strongly).


Side Note:

So what was Paul talking about in Galatians 2:21?
Well, I am going to answer this in another post to you (so as not to make this post too long).

The post is fine, just the right length, thanks for that. Looking forward to the exposition of Galatians 2:21 just like I'm still waiting on your exposition of Hebrews 4:4-6 that you promised me. If you want to do the hard work of doctrine, hammering out the basic frame salvation is built on you have to wrap your mind around this. You owe me nothing, I am not here to confront you, convict you or otherwise debate you. I am here for the Bible study, something that is in short supply these days. I ask you kindly, with no reservations and no strings attached. What is your exposition of these two vital texts in the course of this thread (Galatians 2:21 Hebrews 4:4-6) in light of the faith, 'once and for all delivered to the saints' (Jude 1:3), what is your stand on original sin and justification by grace through faith alone?

Then we can talk about how it relates to David's sin, and whether or not it was a salvation issue.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Righttruth]

Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

Please vote in the poll and give your best answer with Scripture.

May the Lord's goodness be upon you.

Only God knows because salvation is of the LORD. Speculations are of no use on this!

 

[Righttruth]

God's Grace + Obedience = Salvation:
So in conclusion:

While we are initially and ultimately saved by God's grace, we also have to obey Christ's commands as a part of inheriting eternal life, too.
May God's blessings be upon you (even if we disagree on many things strongly).

It can never be grace alone; it is the question of grace with truth

 

[mark kennedy]

It can never be grace alone; it is the question of grace with truth

Your right about one thing, grace (actually justification) is never alone, sanctification must follow.

 

[Righttruth]

Your right about one thing, grace (actually justification) is never alone, sanctification must follow.

I stick to plain grace and truth, not additional words that may deviate us.

 

[mark kennedy]

I stick to plain grace and truth, not additional words that may deviate us.

That still says it but justification is largely conversion and sanctification is the process following. Righteousness and holiness are the issues so it's not like the terminology is invented.

 

[Righttruth]

That still says it but justification is largely conversion and sanctification is the process following. Righteousness and holiness are the issues so it's not like the terminology is invented.

I stick to simple and straight forward: Keep and uphold the truth then grace is assured.

John 18:37 Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

 

[SkyWriting]

Don't you think it is kind of odd how John never mentions this kind of belief anywhere in his epistle? I see John mention the context of the "sin unto death" as willful sin that a person is justifying in some way and that they are not confessing with the genuine intent that they are going to forsake that sin (So as to be forgiven). How so?

Well, the "sin unto death" is the gnostic belief that justified willful sin. The gnostics were trying to seduce the brethren (1 John 2:26). So John was warning the brethren about the gnostic belief that held to the idea that sin was an illusion or sin did not exist for them (1 John 1:8) (1 John 1:10). John tells us to "sin not" (1 John 2:1). So sinning is not way of life for us. But if a believer happened to sin by some chance, they are to acknowledge the existence of sin by confessing it to Jesus (who is our advocate) so as to be forgiven (1 John 1:9) (1 John 2:1). No forgiveness means there is no salvation. Confessed sin (with the intent on forsaking it) is the "sin that is not unto death." Also, if we don't walk in the light, the blood of Jesus will not cleanse us of all sin (1 John 1:7) (Note: Walking (abiding) in the light is loving your brother - see 1 John 2:9-10; And loving your neighbor is the equivalent of keeping the Moral Law - see: Romans 13:8-10). For that person who says they know the Lord and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy.

"For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." (1 John 5:3). Obviously this includes believing in Jesus (1 John 5:5) and being born again (1 John 5:4), which is the entrance and foundation of one's salvation. Immediately after John tells us about the "sin uno death" (1 John 5:16), and the "sin not unto death" in John 5:17, he says this:

18 "We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness."
(1 John 5:18-19).

1 John 5:18 is repeating 1 John 3:9. It is saying that whosever is in the born again state and abides in Jesus (1 John 3:6), does not sin (willfully) whereby they are seeking to justify sin (1 John 1:8). 1 John 5:18 says, He that is truly born again (or begotten of God) keeps himself by obeying God's commands and the wicked one touches him not. James 4:7 says, "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." 1 John 5:19 says we know we are of God (1 John 2:3), and the whole world lies in wickedness. But everyone who does evil hates the light (John 3:20). Men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil (John 3:19).

God is not a respecter of persons: But in every nation he that fears him, and works righteousness, is accepted with him (Acts of the Apostles 10:34-35)

Romans 2:11-12 says, “For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;”.

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Neogaia777]

That still says it but justification is largely conversion and sanctification is the process following. Righteousness and holiness are the issues so it's not like the terminology is invented.

If one is true, they will stay in the process of sanctification until it is complete, or until they die or Christ comes back... "However" we cannot, and should not (because we just "can't") be judging or gauging and/or comparing ourselves to one another by what we see of this, especially in another...

God Bless!