Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[ToBeLoved]

You don't believe confession of sin is dealing with forgiveness of sin in regards to salvation.

Don't tell me what I believe when it is incorrect and bearing false witness. kthx

Address the post, not the poster. CF rules 101

 

[redleghunter]

That is certainly a possibility but logic dictates that that is not the only possibility. Some fall away because they were never truly saved in the first place, however it does not mean that all who fall away were never truly saved. That is a logical fallacy commonly known as an overgeneralization. It's like saying since some chickens lay brown eggs, all chickens lay brown eggs which of course is not true.

Where is the explicit teaching in Holy Scriptures that souls who have been regenerated lose their justification and imputed righteousness from God through and in Christ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Don't tell me what I believe when it is incorrect and bearing false witness. kthx

Address the post, not the poster. CF rules 101

I am only going off what you said on previous threads.
Surely, I can ask you what you believe now, no?
I thought before you believed in in Eternal Security and that 1 John 1:9 is only dealing with a loss of fellowship and not salvation. Am I incorrect? Did you change your belief on this? Do you believe a Christian has to keep confessing sin to be saved or forgiven? If so, then I deeply apologize.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Yup. Peter had not been tested to see how strong a faith he had and was fooled at that point.

So what?

God doesn't provide a faith measuring stick that says you need to have greater than blah... blah... blah ... measurement of faith to get to heaven.

Peter had faith and believed. His denying Christ never put his salvation in jeporady.

We all start out with a small morsel of faith and Christ in His love takes that faith, justifies us in His blood and gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit.

Pentecost didn't happen until Acts. None of the disciples had even the indwelling Holy Spirit nor Christ's blood as He was still alive (Christ).

The point is less that Peter sinned, but moreso Christ was showing Him that He would do 3 times what he swore just hours earlier he would never do. It was Christ showing him he needed more faith and to believe and trust upon God.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Surely, I can ask you what you believe, no?

You weren't asking. You were telling. Big difference, especially since you barely know me and have bad theology.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You weren't asking. You were telling. Big difference, especially since you barely know me and have bad theology.

Please answer my question. Am I wrong that you don't believe 1 John 1:9 is saying that you have to keep confessing sin in order to be saved (or forgiven)? Yes, nor no? Surely you can share your belief here. It's not wrong of me to state roughly what you said you believed before based upon your statements in other threads.

 

[ToBeLoved]

I thought before you believed in in Eternal Security and that 1 John 1:9 is only dealing with a loss of fellowship and not salvation. Am I incorrect? Did you change your belief on this? Do you believe a Christian has to keep confessing sin to be saved or forgiven? If so, then I deeply apologize.

I will clarify again the context SPECIFICALLY of Hebrews 6, which is the scripture we are discussing.

When reading scripture, it is important to know the context of what you are reading.

* What point in time was this taking place?
* Who is the author?
* Who are the people the author is addressing?
* What were the previous beliefs of the audience, particluarly as to religion (Old Covenant Jews)

Now, I know it is very easy to not understand nor want to understand the context of Hebrews 6 because it is one of the few books in the New Testament written to Jews, whose forefathers were under the Old Covenant and it is also very easy for us as Christians with the entire New Testament cannon in writing at our disposal to start not rightly dividing the Word of God.

If you are only interested in throwing around much of the teaching directed much towards gentiles and not seeing the context of Hebrews 6, then I will leave you to your error.

Bringing 1 John into it though and eternal security as pertains to all the knowledge in the New Testament is studying Hebrews 6 out of context.

If I cannot communicate clearly enough for you to understand after pages of dialog, maybe it is time for me to leave.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I will clarify again the context SPECIFICALLY of Hebrews 6, which is the scripture we are discussing.

When reading scripture, it is important to know the context of what you are reading.

* What point in time was this taking place?
* Who is the author?
* Who are the people the author is addressing?
* What were the previous beliefs of the audience, particluarly as to religion (Old Covenant Jews)

Now, I know it is very easy to not understand nor want to understand the context of Hebrews 6 because it is one of the few books in the New Testament written to Jews, whose forefathers were under the Old Covenant and it is also very easy for us as Christians with the entire New Testament cannon in writing at our disposal to start not rightly dividing the Word of God.

If you are only interested in throwing around much of the teaching directed much towards gentiles and not seeing the context of Hebrews 6, then I will leave you to your error.

Bringing 1 John into it though and eternal security as pertains to all the knowledge in the New Testament is studying Hebrews 6 out of context.

If I cannot communicate clearly enough for you to understand after pages of dialog, maybe it is time for me to leave.

Actually, the topic of discussion of this thread is whether or not King David was saved or not while he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Please answer my question. Am I wrong that you don't believe 1 John 1:9 is saying that you have to keep confessing sin in order to be saved (or forgiven)? Yes, nor no? Surely you can share your belief here. It's not wrong of me to state roughly what you said you believed before based upon your statements in other threads.

Having the entire Bible and all the New Testament writings now and me not being born and raised a Jewish believer by parents who were Jews and not being taught in the Jewish synogauges, I have extensive knowledge available on the teachings of the Apostles after Jesus death and have studied the Bible for 25 years.

So what I believe, 2000 years after Christ's death, having all the writings of the Bible, plus justification in Jesus Christ as well as the indwelling Holy Spirit, God Himself leading me in Truth is totally different than what the context is in Hebrews 6.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Actually, the topic of discussion of this thread is whether or not King David was saved or not while he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

I'll talk King David. You want to roll back to David, I'm fine with that.

I can even cut and paste from my previous posts in this thread and not have to write so much.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Having the entire Bible and all the New Testament writings now and me not being born and raised a Jewish believer by parents who were Jews and not being taught in the Jewish synogauges, I have extensive knowledge available on the teachings of the Apostles after Jesus death and have studied the Bible for 25 years.

So what I believe, 2000 years after Christ's death, having all the writings of the Bible, plus justification in Jesus Christ as well as the indwelling Holy Spirit, God Himself leading me in Truth is totally different than what the context is in Hebrews 6.

Let's get back to the topic of the thread again in regards to whether or not King David being saved in his sins of adultery and murder.

1 John 3:15 is one of such verse that holds the key to our understanding on this.
For it says, "NO MURDERER has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

Now, I don't know about you, but I cannot in good conscience change what this verse says. It tells me that anyone who is a murderer (unrepentant murderer - obviously), they do not have have eternal life abiding in them. That is what this verse says to me. What do you think it says?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'll talk King David. You want to roll back to David, I'm fine with that.

I can even cut and paste from my previous posts in this thread and not have to write so much.

Well, again, the topic of this discussion (of this thread) is about King David and whether or not he is saved. So we should stick to primarily dealing with that point of discussion here. This thread is not about Hebrews 6:4-6 (Which is an unrelated passage that deals with apostasy). Hebrews 6:4-6 does not deal with the condemnation specifically of murder and adultery (of which David did).

 

[ToBeLoved]

Please answer my question. Am I wrong that you don't believe 1 John 1:9 is saying that you have to keep confessing sin in order to be saved (or forgiven)? Yes, nor no? Surely you can share your belief here. It's not wrong of me to state roughly what you said you believed before based upon your statements in other threads.

Start a new thread not based on Jewish Old Covenant teachings and/or Jewish converts to Christ and I will state my beliefs as a gentile New Covenant Christian.

Post the link.

But I am not veering off on you changing the subject and confusing this thread and it’s context.

I’m sorry if that is not the answer you wanted. Maybe you will start the new thread if your really interested

 

[ToBeLoved]

Well, again, the topic of this discussion (of this thread) is about King David and whether or not he is saved. So we should stick to primarily dealing with that point of discussion here. This thread is not about Hebrews 6:4-6 (Which is an unrelated passage that deals with apostasy). Hebrews 6:4-6 does not deal with the condemnation specifically of murder and adultery (of which David did).

Ok. I’ll just wait until you post something new around the original topic then.

If I don’t read anything today, have a blessed weekend

 

[YeshuaFan]

The warning is that a lifestyle of habitual sin is the evidence of unrepentance which equates to no forgiveness and no eternal life. I'm sure that is easy enough for you to understand. Do you agree?

John is describing same person as in Hebrews 6, someone who professed Jesus saved them, but did not have the actual rebirth experience!

 

[mark kennedy]

Where does it say that Christ cannot be recrucified? Can anyone be recrucified come to think of it? Why did


THanks Mark, this is VERY encouraging. I greatly appreciate your post.

Hebrews 6:4-6 and no, it can't happen again.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Repentance is a requirement, not just doing them and confessing them to feel free to do them again and again.

When we are justified before God by the Cross of Christ, all sins to ever commit by us was atoned and paid for in full, as God declares us to be just as righteous as Jesus Himself now!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Hebrews 6:4-6 and no, it can't happen again.

Unrelated passage to the topic of discussion of this thread. Please start another thread if you want to continue to talk about Hebrews 6:4-6. We are talking about King David on whether or not he was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. We need passages or verses that are more directly in line with his situation. Hebrews 6:4-6 is unrelated because it is talking about apostasy and not backsliding.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Start a new thread not based on Jewish Old Covenant teachings and/or Jewish converts to Christ and I will state my beliefs as a gentile New Covenant Christian.

Post the link.

But I am not veering off on you changing the subject and confusing this thread and it’s context.

I’m sorry if that is not the answer you wanted. Maybe you will start the new thread if your really interested

I am not interested in that topic of discussion at this time, but I did post a new thread whereby it would answer my question I was asking you.

Here it is:

Do you have to keep confessing sin through out your life to be saved? (See 1 John 1:9)

Please keep in mind, I am not looking to fault you in any way. If you say that confessing of sin (through out believer's life) is not for salvation, I will seek to not to find fault with you on what you said previously. I just want to know what you believe. I want to discuss things in a Biblical way here in love and respect.

Anyways, may you also have a blessed weekend and a Happy Early Thanksgiving.

 

[redleghunter]

That's not how Christ is crucified the second time. It's when you find another solution to sin like legalism that you become apostate and a child of perdition.

Which allows for the plausible question of whether or not such a person truly trusted in Grace in the first place.