Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[ToBeLoved]

Presently 49.1% have voted yes. I voted no.

Not trying to argue but it would seem very, very silly for me to believe the person who authored half the Psalms Ana God said followed after His own heart was not saved.

If you guys don’t realize it yet, that God is interested in spiritual things and sin has to be dealt with of course but is not what God wants most, then I feel sorry for you.

How do you miss all the chapters and chapters about David’s character and what God thinks. I dunno

 

[ClementofA]

Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

Does - any - sin cause loss of salvation:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If that's what 1 John 1:9 teaches, then how can you say certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?

Are you giving people a licence to sin by saying certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?

If people believe some sins don't cause loss of salvation, then people may feel free not to confess them for forgiveness as per 1 John 1:9 & die in their sins.

1 John 1:9 doesn't speak of confessing only big sins.

BTW, what exactly does it mean to confess a sin? Merely acknowledging to oneself mentally that a sin was a sin?

 

[Llewelyn Stevenson]

What is your interpretation on Romans 7:14-24?

Romans 7 follows Romans 6 and is Paul's encouragement to the new convert and the weak and unlearned who are saying to themselves, "What? Where does that leave me?"

Today we may call this growing up. It is a transitional period in our Christian life and he reveals that the victory will come to us by Jesus Christ, if we will submit to the changes being made in us.

He is saying, You have believed and the work has begun and there is much to be done but you will be victorious though Jesus.

Therefore he begins his next exhortation saying, "So there is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus."

He is saying, "I am not saying you are not saved, but let me show you how to attain the power of being dead to sin."

And how does he say we do it? By following the Spirit and not the flesh and this world [Romans 8].

Some wonder why I am not interested in bikes, cars, sport and pleasure. It is because they are things of this world that hinder my conformity to Christ. They can take up too much of my time and have no eternal value. I hate going to a men's group or a church group where we don't even think about Jesus Christ. All we talk about is Harleys and breaking the law doing burnouts and speeding and fast cars; or football, cricket and such. It breaks my heart that we love these more than Jesus.

I will throw in a curly here. Did you know that sex has no eternal value? It is only for this life. Why do we treat it with such importance? I know that God gave it of a necessity and I am a husband and a father, but I do think it is rather over-emphasised and becomes a stumbling block because we think we can't do without it when we actually can.

All these things pale in significance in the person and light of Jesus Christ.

 

[Llewelyn Stevenson]

I shall have to come back to continue answering. Business calls for my attention and I must provide for the gift of the family God has given me.

 

[ClementofA]

Not trying to argue but it would seem very, very silly for me to believe the person who authored half the Psalms Ana God said followed after His own heart was not saved.

Can one be saved while in the acts of premeditated adultery & murder according to the Scriptures such as:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 Cor.6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[MDC]

Let me give you an example. Do you believe I hold to Man Directed Works Salvationism?

I wasn’t the one being ask but yes I definitely believe that. Matter of fact your theological view on soteriology stems from free will theology which holds to man centered works salvation. Especially those who teach the false doctrine that a child of God can lose eternal life in Christ

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Does - any - sin cause loss of salvation:

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If that's what 1 John 1:9 teaches, then how can you say certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?

Are you giving people a licence to sin by saying certain sins do not cause loss of salvation?

If people believe some sins don't cause loss of salvation, then people may feel free not to confess them for forgiveness as per 1 John 1:9 & die in their sins.

1 John 1:9 doesn't speak of confessing only big sins.

BTW, what exactly does it mean to confess a sin? Merely acknowledging to oneself mentally that a sin was a sin?

The bark of the dog echoed up the tree at the squirrel who was hanging on the bark of the tree at the top near the branches.

The word "bark" is the same word in spelling and pronunciation, but they each have two different meanings. These homonyms exist both in our English bibles and in the original languages. So the word "sin" can have multiple meanings in the Bible. The context determines it's use.

So to say that minor transgression (a “sin not unto death”) is the same as a grievous sin (a “sin unto death”) is to ignore the Bible and the real word. Just because they both can be referred to by the same word, doesn’t mean they are exactly the same. For surely if you seen a person go 5 miles per over the speed limit, you are not going to freak out or be disturbed by say seeing a murder. Both are sins, but one is very serious in God’s eyes and the other is not as serious.

 

[Neogaia777]

To all: A few questions...?

What happens to someone if they sin after they may think they are saved or have completed the process of sanctification and are not a sinner anymore, and are 100% sinless and then, they sin one day, or notice they have sinned or just sinned after that...? Are the doomed forever after that, or not...?

Was David 100% completely sinless for the rest of his life after he repented of his "main sins", I guess you could say, or not...? If he was not, how was, or is, or how was he saved...?

God Bless!

 

[redleghunter]

The warning is that a lifestyle of habitual sin is the evidence of unrepentance which equates to no forgiveness and no eternal life. I'm sure that is easy enough for you to understand. Do you agree?

Such a life would be one of unbelief.

Which means the person would be an unregenerate unbeliever.

 

[redleghunter]

I am not saying David was forever condemned. I said he was unsaved when he committed his sins of adultery and murder and then when he repented of his sins in Psalms 51, he then became saved again or forgiven. Why else would a saved or forgiven man seek after forgiveness and or desire for salvation back? David lost his salvation temporarily when he was in his sins of adultery and murder. Before his major crimes (his grievous sins) he was also saved.

Based on Hebrews 3, 6, and 10 applied to your definition of “saved” you can only be saved once and if lost never get it back.

Yet how one loses Justification by faith in Christ is the question. Answer? Unbelief.

 

[redleghunter]

The blood of jesus provides immediate and full justification to us when we first believed and received Jesus as Lord, but it also keeps on continually cleansing us as in sanctification when we confess our done sins to God!

Yes and what has not been discussed is our justification is based on the righteousness of God through and in Jesus Christ.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It does not mean, if you say, "I am sinless by Christ Jesus who has brought me freedom from sin" that you are lying.

Yes, it does. If not, then you have contradiction with 1 John 2:4.

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” (1 John 2:4).
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If that second were true then Romans 6 would make no sense,

What don’t you understand? I can explain it.

nor would John's own statement in this letter, "Whatsoever is born of God does not sin."

1 John 3:9 is talking about the Gnostic belief of 1 John 1:8 who thought they could sin without impunity because they do not think sin exists. It is talking about willful sin or sin done whereby someone is seeking to justify it. A person who is in the born again state and abiding in Christ cannot have this kind of mindset on sin because Christ does not have such a mindset on sin like that. 1 Corinthians 2:16 says we have the mind of Christ.

Christ died for us while we were yet sinners.

This verse reference is talking about the atonement of the entire world, so as to offer the free gift of salvation. It does not mean everyone is saved.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Based on Hebrews 3, 6, and 10 applied to your definition of “saved” you can only be saved once and if lost never get it back.

Yet how one loses Justification by faith in Christ is the question. Answer? Unbelief.

Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about denying Jesus because Hebrews 6:1 talks about the foundation of repentance and of faith towards God (Which is when we first accept Christ). To undo the faith, you have to renounce it. Jesus says if you deny me, I will deny you.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about denying Jesus because Hebrews 6:1 talks about the foundation of repentance and of faith towards God (Which is when we first accept Christ). To undo the faith, you have to renounce it. Jesus says if you deny me, I will deny you.

Then according to this, Peter would not be saved as he denied Jesus three times in one day before the rooster crowed beginning the next day.

But Jesus also said about Peter, “You are the rock upon which I will build my church”.

So how was Peter saved? And an Apostle to boot!

Peter was denying Christ because they would have killed him, not because he lost His faith.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The blood of jesus provides immediate and full justification to us when we first believed and received Jesus as Lord, but it also keeps on continually cleansing us as in sanctification when we confess our done sins to God!

Repentance is a requirement, not just doing them and confessing them to feel free to do them again and again.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Then according to this, Peter would not be saved as he denied Jesus three times in one day before the rooster crowed beginning the next day.

That is pretty much what Jason's theology is saying.

But Jesus also said about Peter, “You are the rock upon which I will build my church”.

HE was not saying Peter is the rock but that fact that He is the Christ. Upon the fact that Jesus is the Christ will He, JEsus, build his church. The church is not built upon a man and when Jesus died, James was the head of the church, not Peter.

Peter was denying Christ because they would have killed him, not because he lost His faith.

Jesus said if we or Peter deny him before men, He, Jesus, will deny us or Peter before the Father. There is no excuse to do so if you think might lose some benefit (like living) if you do so. Peter did not believe enough at that point.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The warning is that a lifestyle of habitual sin is the evidence of unrepentance which equates to no forgiveness and no eternal life. I'm sure that is easy enough for you to understand. Do you agree?

Jesus told the story of the man forgiven of his debth, really forgiven, who went out and demanded his rights from a man who owed him. You seem to think that all moments are in the same time. That is, a man can repent and be forgiven and later turn to the pleasures of sin or escape the costs of being a disciple of Christ. So he was repentance and changed his mind. He was forgiven and changed his mind. He had eternal life but decided this life's pleasure was better for him. It happens as Jesus said it would. Most people know that what a man does when he is 20 is not how he lives when he is 50, for better or worse. Evidence of habitual sin is evidence that a man has NOW DECIDED not to continue walking in the faith, not that he never was repentant nor forgiven. There is such a thing a past, present and future and they are not all wrapped into one.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Man after God's own heart...

Was David under the OT Law Covenant, and/or if he was, was he judged by it, (in the end) or not...?

God Bless!

This is going to be hard to believe but David loved the OT law. He said it was perfect rejoicing the heart. He said it kept wise the simple. He loved that law. He was under the OT and to some degree so are we. The law to love GOd is the OT Law Covenant that is continued into the new. I can name lots of OT law that we are under like do not murder and do not steal. Do you see what I mean?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

It's because you have been defending that view that David was not unsaved when he committed his sins of adultery and murder.

1. It does not matter why you say untruths about me. 2. You need to realize that you do not understand my position at all. You are a black and white binary thinker and your questions are like, "have you stopped beating your wife, yes or no?" Other possiblities you do not consider.

God does not have to hit us over the head with bricks to get our attention about a particular truth.

Since Jesus himself taught truth and many learned men did not get it, seems like particular truths are not easily accepted. Bricks don't help.

We know from the testimony of Scripture that David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder because 1 John 3:15 (also inspired Scripture) says that NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Was David a murderer? Yes, or no? Do you believe 1 John 3:15 when it says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them? This means ALL murderers - BTW (For the words "no murderer" implies all murderers). This would include King David until he repented of his sins (of course).

This is your opinion. God, Himself, did not say that to David when speaking to him directly about the event. So that is your judgment but God did not have your opinion on the whole of the event.

God does not say every day to an unbeliever they are not saved to their face so as to get them to repent.

This is really silly. God cannot even get through to believers. But he was speaking to David and He did not have your view.

I didn't write the Bible. So please do not shoot the messenger. I am just relaying to you what the Bible says plainly. If you disagree, please stick with Scripture instead of ad hominems.

No, you are editing the Bible according to your extremely judgemental position. You ignore completely what God himself had to say about the matter. And I am not shooting you. I am pointing out, as do others, that what you think the BIble is saying is highly editing as you leave out the bits you do not like. You want to tell us what GOd thought of David and ignore what the prophet said GOd thought of the man. THis is not what the Bible says but what you say. Those two are not the same thing.

In any event, may the Lord's goodness be upon you today.

Maybe He speak to you to read the whole book.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Can one be saved while in the acts of premeditated adultery & murder according to the Scriptures such as:

1 John 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

1 Cor.6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

That is pretty much what Jason's theology is saying.
HE was not saying Peter is the rock but that fact that He is the Christ. Upon the fact that Jesus is the Christ will He, JEsus, build his church. The church is not built upon a man and when Jesus died, James was the head of the church, not Peter.
Jesus said if we or Peter deny him before men, He, Jesus, will deny us or Peter before the Father. There is no excuse to do so if you think might lose some benefit (like living) if you do so. Peter did not believe enough at that point.

that makes no sense that you say Peter didn’t have faith enough at that point as that was right before the crucificxion.

Anyways, Jesus does not. Say we need a certain measurement of faith to be saved. Only that we believe and have some faith.