Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[Neogaia777]

I guess it was not the last time.

SIN SEPARATES US FROM GOD. Now please stop accusing me of justifying sin.

Again, Nathan the prophet did not tell David that no murdered has eternal life. Why not? IF you think that is what God has to say on the matter and all he has to say, why didn't he say it then? Please answer why God did not have your attitude towards David and his sin?

I sometimes think that stuff like "no murderer has eternal life abiding in him", and the like, I sometimes think, what should "precede" almost all those things is that "Under the Law" (no murderer has eternal life abiding in him) ect... "Under the Law" ect, ect... Cause most of the time, almost the entire Bible is speaking to people under Jewish Law, that are bound by (or cursed by) the Law, and I think much of it/that (The Bible) is expounding on that (curse)...

Actually having to point out and show out, the futility of "man's ways" without God which is what I think the Law represents, especially when taken or misused and/or abused or applied "incorrectly"... The utter failure of man's (hopefully prior to now) sense of justice, that is or was or used to be (again hopefully) "eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth" rather than "turn the other cheek", "suffer for your enemies" and love and such and the like...

Anyway, so, it's (the Laws) true work can be or become complete or completed, (showing and or exposing man's sinfulness, the futility of man's ways, ect) and when complete, then and only then, open up the way for a much and "new and better covenant" in which things work a bit differently...

But, that might just be me or my opinion, IDK...?

And I think that "differently" is what were all trying to figure out, right...?

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I guess it was not the last time.

SIN SEPARATES US FROM GOD. Now please stop accusing me of justifying sin.

Again, Nathan the prophet did not tell David that no murdered has eternal life. Why not? IF you think that is what God has to say on the matter and all he has to say, why didn't he say it then? Please answer why God did not have your attitude towards David and his sin?

The Bible does not always give us a dump of information we desire in one place. The Bible does not give us an exhaustive recording of people's lives as if they had cameras on their heads. We have to read the Bible as a cohesive whole. We do not build doctrine on just one place in the Bible. 1 John 3:15 is just as true ad 2 Samuel 12:13-14. They both have to be read together as being true.

As I stated before, David's sin was taken away in regards to his punishment because his son died in his place. So we know this was not in reference to spiritual sin that was between him and God. We know 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. We know Revelation 21:8 says ALL liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. What we need from you is a verse proving otherwise. That a believer who lied just once who did not repent can still be saved. Yet, we know that one lie is what condemned Ananias and Sapphira. What we need from you is one murder that went unconfessed to God and yet they were still saved. We see nothing like this in our Bible. You have to invent it (contrary to what Scripture says).

Anyways, how do you define justifying sin?
If I justify fire fighting, I would defend fire fighters doing their job even one time.
I don't have to keep agreeing with justifying every fire they fight to justify fire fighting. Why do you think a person needs to do lots of sin in order to justify sin is beyond me. It only takes the justification of one sin to justify sin.

 

[ToBeLoved]

It says NOT LAYING AGAIN....

The Foundation of Repentance.

The foundation of a person's repentance is when they first accept Jesus and they seek forgiveness with him for the first time.

Jesus is our FOUNDATION.

Not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works.

Dead works are a part of an unbeliever's life.
If I lay the foundation of repentance (with Jesus) about dead works regarding my past life before I accepted Christ, I am coming to Christ for the first time.

During the early church, the Jews were doing dead works.
They would repent of of these dead works when they first came to Jesus.

I think you need to evaluate the full sentence. That is why it is a full verse.

The Interlinear Greek has the word "from" or apo in Greek.

The phrase foundation of repentance has the preposition "FROM" DEAD WORKS

Hebrews 6:1 Interlinear: Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfection we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,


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[Oldmantook]

So your interpretation is as long as the rebellion is on going there is no forgiveness (present tense?) Is this really saying anything worth saying? Of course if there’s no repentance there is no forgiveness. The point is the scripture says it’s impossible ( futurw) to renew them AGAIN to repentance. That’s talking about the future. That’s the warning.

Then why did you write there is so much disagreement about interpreting the passage?
Your understanding of the Greek verb tenses is deficient. Unlike the English language , the verb tense primarily shows ongoing action - not time. It does not reference any aspect of action regarding the future. I suggest you put in some study.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I think you need to evaluate the full sentence. That is why it is a full verse.

The Interlinear Greek has the word "from" or apo in Greek.

The phrase foundation of repentance has the preposition "FROM" DEAD WORKS

Hebrews 6:1 Interlinear: Wherefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Christ, unto the perfection we may advance, not again a foundation laying of reformation from dead works, and of faith on God,


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So lets ignore the English because it does not defend your belief?
Sorry, not buying it.
The English and the Greek do not conflict with each other.
You have to first defend the English in order to defend the Greek.
So far you are not defending the Bible in what it plainly says.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What scripture says that though? I'm not going to put words in God's mouth, so I need the scripture that says that.

What do you think happens when the church turns a believer over to Satan for the destruction of the body?

Jesus warned the churches in Revelation about the wrong they were engaged in. He warned them he would remove their candle stick if they didn’t repent. He didn’t comfort them with the promise he’ll make them obey.

You see, you assume if Jesus goes after a list sheep, they cannot escape him. But he doesn’t promise that. You need to show the verses where the sheep have no choice.

The 70 left and he did not pursue them. That’s a fact not a metaphor.

 

[Oldmantook]

But those are messages for the unsaved, yes. Those needing salvation. Once saved from sin, the HS is enabling us to live a sanctifying life. We can't do that ourselves, by will. Our sins are forgiven. Does this not speak of the unforgiven sins.

You have yet to explain Rom 8:13 which is specifically addressed to the BRETHREN as indicated in v.12. If you (brother) live according to the flesh, you WILL DIE. Death means spiritual death. A lifestyle of sin/living according to the flesh, results in separation from God and spiritual death.

 

[ToBeLoved]

So lets ignore the English because it does not defend your belief?
Sorry, not buying it.
The English and the Greek do not conflict with each other.
You have to first defend the English in order to defend the Greek.
So far you are not defending the Bible in what it plainly says.

It seems you may be afraid to study the Greek. Romans was written in Greek, why would you not want to see the verse without translation from the original language, unless you know it doesn't support your position.

AND... English and Greek do conflict each other. One language can never perfectly expouse another. Do you know anything about languages

 

[Bible Highlighter]

It seems you may be afraid to study the Greek. Romans was written in Greek, why would you not want to see the verse without translation from the original language, unless you know it doesn't support your position.

AND... English and Greek do conflict each other. One language can never perfectly expouse another. Do you know anything about languages

Seems to me, you need to defend the Bible in a language that you do actually read it in. You don't read the Bible in the Greek when you decide to pick it up and just read the story of Joseph, etc.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What do you think happens when the church turns a believer over to Satan for the destruction of the body?

Jesus warned the churches in Revelation about the wrong they were engaged in. He warned them he would remove their candle stick if they didn’t repent. He didn’t comfort them with the promise he’ll make them obey.

You see, you assume if Jesus goes after a list sheep, they cannot escape him. But he doesn’t promise that. You need to show the verses where the sheep have no choice.

The 70 left and he did not pursue them. That’s a fact not a metaphor.

Verses please.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Seems to me, you need to defend the Bible in a language that you do actually read it in. You don't read the Bible in the Greek when you decide to pick it up and just read the story of Joseph, etc.

Every verse I study I read in the Interlinear Greek in the New Testament or Hebrew in the Old Testament.

It is better to be thorough when one study's. You should embrace this habit.

I would look at the Hebrew in reading the story of Joseph.

Since Romans is the New Testament, its Greek.

I also go to the online Parallel Bible that shows 16 english translations. Resources on the Internet are good for Bible study. Here is the link to the Parallel Bible search on Biblehub.com

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every verse I study I read in the Interlinear Greek in the New Testament or Hebrew in the Old Testament.

It is better to be thorough when one study's. You should embrace this habit.

I would look at the Hebrew in reading the story of Joseph.

Since Romans is the New Testament, its Greek.

You didn't repent hearing the Greek.
Also, God was able to communicate the languages between people just fine in Acts 2. Why you think God has not preserved His Word in our world language today is beyond me.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every verse I study I read in the Interlinear Greek in the New Testament or Hebrew in the Old Testament.

It is better to be thorough when one study's. You should embrace this habit.

I would look at the Hebrew in reading the story of Joseph.

Since Romans is the New Testament, its Greek.

I also go to the online Parallel Bible that shows 16 english translations. Resources on the Internet are good for Bible study. Here is the link to the Parallel Bible search on Biblehub.com

What is the "foundation of your repentance"?
Please describe that phrase for me in the Bible.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every verse I study I read in the Interlinear Greek in the New Testament or Hebrew in the Old Testament.

It is better to be thorough when one study's. You should embrace this habit.

I would look at the Hebrew in reading the story of Joseph.

Since Romans is the New Testament, its Greek.

I also go to the online Parallel Bible that shows 16 english translations. Resources on the Internet are good for Bible study. Here is the link to the Parallel Bible search on Biblehub.com

You also have to take it by faith and not looking at the context, that your Lexicon is giving you the right definition. You also sometimes have to select the right definition. Sometimes they do not always get things correct. How do you know when a Lexicon is wrong? One can say the Spirit guides them, but they would also have to prove that the actual words they are defending in the Bible is backed up by the context and by other cross references. You are using the "Lexicon card" to escape all that.

 

[ToBeLoved]

You didn't repent hearing the Greek.

Because repentance is between me and the all powerful God who knows my every thought and deed.

Seems to me you are having issues defending your position here.

Let's get back to Hebrews 6:1.

So why is the preposition 'from' in there?

 

[ToBeLoved]

You also have to take it by faith and not looking at the context, that your Lexicon is giving you the right definition. You also sometimes have to select the right definition. Sometimes they do not always get things correct. How do you know when a Lexicon is wrong? One can say the Spirit guides them, but they would also have to prove that the actual words they are defending in the Bible is backed up by the context and by other cross references. You are using the "Lexicon card" to escape all that.

So you think the Greek Lexicon is giving me the wrong definition for the word 'from'?

That's a pretty bad argument. It's a preposition.

It doesn't seem like the word 'from' is used in too many ways here.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Every verse I study I read in the Interlinear Greek in the New Testament or Hebrew in the Old Testament.

It is better to be thorough when one study's. You should embrace this habit.

I would look at the Hebrew in reading the story of Joseph.

Since Romans is the New Testament, its Greek.

I also go to the online Parallel Bible that shows 16 english translations. Resources on the Internet are good for Bible study. Here is the link to the Parallel Bible search on Biblehub.com

The problem I see with many Lexicon studies these days, is that people disbelief what their Bible says in the English as a result of them. Little do they realize that their English Bible was translated from that language. They are saying they are better than the translators and they must have messed up. They are saying the Lexicon guys got it right and the Bible was not preserved in our world language today.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because repentance is between me and the all powerful God who knows my every thought and deed.

Seems to me you are having issues defending your position here.

Let's get back to Hebrews 6:1.

So why is the preposition 'from' in there?

I asked you first how do you define "foundation of repentance"?
I see this as my acceptance of Jesus.
I cannot lay that foundation again. I have already accepted Him once.

Jesus is my foundation.

 

[ToBeLoved]

What is the "foundation of your repentance"?
Please describe that phrase for me in the Bible.

When we repent, we are to turn away. Aparently in this verse we are not to lay a foundation of repentance from dead works.

So I would say that we are to repent from the live works that we do through Christ Jesus.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

When we repent, we are to turn away. Aparently in this verse we are not to lay a foundation of repentance from dead works.

So I would say that we are to repent from the live works that we do through Christ Jesus.

So initial salvation is what Hebrews 6:1 is talking about.
Copy that.
Okay, you cannot lay this foundation again!
That is what it is saying.
It says... NOT LAYING AGAIN the foundation of repentance.