Was 911 an inside job?

[The_Evelyonian]

Was 911 an inside job? Is there truth in the conspiracy theories?

No

 

[PassthePeace1]

I can't believe, at the time I cast my vote, that their are 27 people on this forum, that believe...the government was behind 9/11.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

This leaves us with the incontrovertible fact that buildings cannot “pancake” at free fall speeds.

The only explanation known to science for the free fall collapse of a building, especially into its own footprint, is engineered demolition, which removes the supports for each floor of the building at split second intervals so that the debris from above meets no resistance on its fall. To call this explanation a “conspiracy theory” is to display the utmost total ignorance. Any physicist or engineer who maintains that buildings can “pancake” at free fall speed has obviously been bought and paid for or is a total incompetent fool.

The WTC buildings are known to have collapsed at free fall speed into their own footprints.

This fact does not tell us who is responsible or what purpose was served.

How could government complicity be kept a secret? It can be kept a secret, because so many Americans are scientifically ignorant and emotionally weak. They are incapable of realizing the contradiction in the government’s claim that the WTC buildings “pancaked” at free fall speed, and they are emotionally incapable of confronting the evil of the Bush regime.

I am one that is scientifically "ignorant".

Didn't it appear to be a little unusual that not only did one "pancake" but both "pancaked" the exact same way?

I don't know the concept behind this but I never really thought about it. Do all tall buildings pancake if damaged, or do some topple over sideways?
Interesting.

Jeremiah 4:13 "Behold, he shall come up like clouds, And his chariots like a whirlwind. His horses are swifter than eagles. Woe to us, for we are plundered!"

 

[The_Evelyonian]

Didn't it appear to be a little unusual that not only did one "pancake" but both "pancaked" the exact same way?

Actually they didn't. The south tower (the second one hit) was struck lower than the north tower. Also beacuse the aircraft hit the side of the building rather than head on it caused a greater amount of stress on the vertical supports. When the south tower collapsed the top half fell to the side and the added stress caused by the weight of the top half coming down caused the rest of the building to "pancake".

When the north tower (the first one hit) came down the building simply pancaked straight down. The weight of 110 stories collapsing one on top of another is what caused the buildings to reach free fall speed.

 

[NumberOneSon]

More on the Popular Mechanics article is here and what they ignored.

http://www.oilempire.us/popular-mechanics.html

I noticed you erased most of what you had previously written and inserted something else in it’s place. I guess it’s for the best, seeing as the 9/11“Research” site was mistaken on the intercepts issue. I hope you have accepted that fact, and adjusted your views accordingly.

And seeing as Popular Mechanics isn't a publication that devotes itself to debunking 9/11conspiracies 24/7, I can understand why many things were not addressed. You can complain about the issues they "ignored", but I'd rather spend time on the issues they actually addressed. But would it really have mattered to you, Driver, had they tackled twice as many 9/11 myths? Or four times as many? In the end, you still would probably find something they hadn't addressed to your satisfaction and claimed they "ignored" it, so PM can never win.

Regardless of this, it's a Red Herring…

I see; it’s only a “Red Herring” now because you’ve been shown that 9/11Research bungled their research. Obviously you thought the issue had enough merit you felt you had to jump into my discussion with Howard Dean and post a “rebuttal” of the intercepts issue. But now that your site's poorly researched rebuttal has been exposed, the whole thing is suddenly a Red Herring. Go figure.

No, it’s not a Red Herring. The information I provided about domestic intercepts has everything to do with my point to Howard Dean; NORAD was not built to handle domestic intercepts; it was originally created to deal with threats outside of the US (like Soviet Nuclear attacks). Howard Dean couldn’t understand that, even after the WTC towers had been hit, no other planes could have been stopped, and my point was that, not only was there not enough time, but NORAD wasn’t built to handle domestic threats, thus it operated much slower on 9/11 than it would today. For example, the FAA only notified NORAD of Flight 77’s highjacking at around 9:25. NORAD scrambled jets about two minutes later. It took about 8 minutes for the pilots in Virginia to reach their aircraft, maneuver them onto the runway, and get into the air. Three minutes later, Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Thirteen minutes is all NORAD had, and that's simply not enough time.

Before you edited your last post, you said you found it hard to believe that NORAD’s intercepts were almost entirely offshore, but it makes perfect sense when you realize NORAD’s revamped mission involved tracking drug planes attempting to enter the US. In the late 80’s, it added counter-drug operations as part of its mission, which is why NORAD’s intercept operations were virtually all offshore. Does that make sense now? When you understand NORAD’s function then the truth becomes clear.

and Cheney was being asked, "Do the orders still stand?" That order must have come sometime before Mineta had entered the room (before "50 miles out").

What were those orders?

Did you watch the entire video? Mineta tells us what the orders were about 2 minutes and 50 seconds into the clip, after. The orders were to shoot to down the plane. Cheney has already been on record stating this very thing.

 

[Driver]

Did you watch the entire video? Mineta tells us what the orders were about 2 minutes and 50 seconds into the clip, after. The orders were to shoot to down the plane. Cheney has already been on record stating this very thing.

That's wrong, he said he didn't know specifically what the orders were. If a shootdown order had been made, why wasn't the plane heading toward Washington shot down?

Why did the 9/11 Commission change the time Cheney entered the Command Center to 38 minutes after Mineta arrived? And why did they ignore Mineta's testimony?

Go back to posts 216 and 220.

 

[Prophetboy]

06-29-2005 04:57 PM Edit(5 min. Max) Quote Report
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AUSTRALIANS "AWARE" OF MOSSAD-CONNECTION...

Posted By: FarSight3 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Sunday, 27 February 2005, 5:02 a.m.

In Response To: MORE AND MORE PAPERS ACCUSE ISRAEL OF COMPLICITY... (FarSight3)

In remembering my 'PASS-SPORT'-series here at...

NEW OLYMPIC DISCIPLINE?-PASS-SPORTS...
FarSight3 -- Friday, 23 July 2004, 4:58 a.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bi....cgi?read=52882

...here's another piece of a puzzle spread all over the world.

Australians aware of agent's connection to Mossad
27 February 2005
By NICKY HAGER

Australian intelligence officials knew the man at the centre of the Kiwi Israeli spy scandal was a long-time Mossad agent well before he began the New Zealand passport operation.

Since serving three months in prison in New Zealand, Elisha Cara has returned to Israel. He resigned from Mossad and recently got a job as a manager in credit card company Visa Israel.

Cara set up a base in Sydney and travelled to and from New Zealand 24 times between October 2000 and March 2004 without any apparent interest from the local intelligence services.

Details of the case and confirmation of Cara's Mossad background have been leaked by Western Europe-based foreign intelligence sources.

The sources, none of whom are New Zealanders, reveal that Cara had headed another Mossad mission that went spectacularly wrong just two years before being put in charge of obtaining illegal New Zealand passports.

Cara's colleagues, Uriel Kelman and Zev Barkan (also known as Zev Bruckenstein), were also fulltime officers in Mossad, the 53-year-old agency with an estimated 1200 staff and headquarters about 10km north of Tel Aviv.

Cara was 50, Kelman, 30, and Barkan, 36, at the time of Cara and Kelman's arrests. Their mission: to obtain "top quality" false passports for use in sensitive Mossad operations.

In contrast, the Israeli diplomat expelled from Canberra several weeks ago in mysterious circumstances, Amir Lati, is definitely not a Mossad agent, the sources say.

According to the sources, earlier in Cara's Mossad career he took part in a routine liaison meeting between Mossad and its "friendly counterparts" in Australia, exchanging views and sharing intelligence. They say that it showed "complacency" in Mossad that the same officer was later used for a covert operation in a country where his name and face were known.

It also suggests that the Australian Security Intelligence Service and the New Zealand SIS are not being vigilant in their monitoring of Israeli spies. The passport scam was uncovered only because of Mossad carelessness - using an agent without a New Zealand accent to talk to an immigration official.

Since Cara's presence provided clear evidence of Mossad links, it is unclear why the agents got away with a minimal three months' prison.

Government security agencies are sensitive about false passports being used by foreigners for illegal activities and Foreign Minister Phil Goff noted that Cara's passports could be for "an assassination in a third country"....

Prime Minister Helen Clark and an ASIO spokesperson would not be drawn on Australia's prior knowledge of Cara.

The Australia-New Zealand operation was, according to the sources, aimed entirely at obtaining false passports for use in covert Mossad operations elsewhere on the world. It was "a standard operation, nothing unusual or dangerous". Cara's three years in Sydney were a normal part of the time-consuming preparations for important Mossad operations.

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky has described the different "qualities" of passports used by the agency: top, second, field operation and throwaway. Top-quality passports - the kind Cara was tasked with obtaining in New Zealand - are real passports with a real person's name that can withstand official checks in the country of origin.

The passport operation employed full-time Mossad staff and local Jewish citizens (called sayanim) who help Mossad within foreign countries. In New Zealand, one sayanim participant was apparently former Auckland Jewish Council member Tony Resnick....

Full article at: http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3200929a10,00.html

Interesting indeed. My proposal: Let's produce some passports with "CITIZEN OF FOREIGN NATION" printed on it. And sell them to the usual 'Middle-Easterners' in Bern, Auckland, Canberra, Vienna, Madrid, Montrael and - yes - last but not least - perhaps in - Washington. But I think, let's simply skip that last point of sale. Not really necessary...

 

[Prophetboy]

MORE AND MORE PAPERS ACCUSE ISRAEL OF COMPLICITY...

Posted By: FarSight3 <Send E-Mail>
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005, 8:03 a.m.

In Response To: SYRIA MAY WITHDRAW TROOPS. *PIC* (Seidr)

And remembering my 'PASS-SPORT'-series here...

NEW OLYMPIC DISCIPLINE?-PASS-SPORTS...
FarSight3 -- Friday, 23 July 2004, 4:58 a.m.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bi....cgi?read=52882

...I wonder which 'hit-team' was involved into this. I see a scenario (as I pointed out here already as well as ChristopherBollyn) that a 'ground-team' was marking Hariri's car with a Laser-device for the homing in of a Laser Guided Bomb or missile - fired from high above in the cover of the clouds.

Did the ground-team own AUSTRALIAN PASSPORTS?

See this article:

12 Australians wanted over Hariri&#8217;s murder

Lebanon&#8217;s Justice Minister Adnan Addoum said on Friday that authorities were hunting for twelve Australian men wanted over the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq al-Hariri.

Addum said that all the suspects hold the Australian passport and that six of them left Beirut for Australia hours after Monday&#8217;s deadly blast, adding that police found traces of explosives on aircraft seats.

Hariri was killed in a huge explosion in Beirut which also claimed the lives of additional 16 people.

The minister added that there are two more Australians who tried to leave Lebanon after the assassination but missed the flight for unknown reasons. Their location is not known.

Interpol agreed to interrogate the twelve suspects, Addoum said.

The minister didn&#8217;t provide further details and it was unclear what role the men played in the attack.

Reports earlier this week said that the Australian government was helping Lebanon investigate Hariri&#8217;s murder.

In other developments, Lebanon&#8217;s Tourism Minister Farid al-Khazan resigned, saying that his decision was in line with his convictions and his &#8220;obligation to the country&#8221;.

There have been mounting calls for the whole Lebanese cabinet to resign over Hariri&#8217;s assassination.

Also Friday, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad appointed his brother-in-law, Major-General Asef Shawkat, as head of military intelligence to replace retiring Major-General Hassan Khalil.

Hariris family demands probe into his murder

Hariri&#8217;s family issued a statement on Thursday calling for launching an international investigation into his assassination.

"We call upon the international community to promptly take control of this issue and form an international investigation commission, since the assassination of Rafik Hariri is a terrorist act targeting Lebanon's stability and national unity, "Al Hariri&#8217;s family said in a statement released on Thursday.

"We will not spare any effort or means to find the perpetrators of this crime no matter what their affiliation is," the statement said.

Earlier, the Lebanese leadership rejected calls to let international experts launch the investigation, but the military judiciary now says that Swiss experts on explosives and DNA will participate in the investigation.

On Wednesday, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State William Burns called on Lebanon to ask for foreign help to facilitate the inquiry.

"We believe the investigation has to be serious and credible and those responsible have to be brought to justice swiftly and that international expertise can be brought to help ensure this kind of investigation," he said during his visit to Beirut to attend the funeral of Al Hariri.

(snip)

Al Hariri&#8217;s family and political supporters asked the Lebanese government officials not to attend the funeral.

And while the U.S. and Israel pointed finger of suspicion at Syria, Imad Moustapha, the Syrian ambassador to the United States, said the Syrian government wasn&#8217;t involved in Al Hariri&#8217;s assassination, and called the former Lebanese Premier a constructive moderate.

"Why would Syria even look with hostility to a person like Rafiq Al Hariri, who is actually helping to mediate between us and the Lebanese opposition?" said Moustapha.

Full article at: http://beirut.indymedia.org/ar/2005/02/2196.shtml


In the meantime more and more international papers are questioning a possible involvement of Israeli Intel-cercles in the assasination. Some of them:

GB: "Daily Telegraph"
France: "L'Humanite"
Csech Republic: "Bravo"
Turkey: "Yeni Asya"
UAR: "Al-Khaleej"

... for naming a few.

Last Wednesday the Telegraph published an article where Israel was accused of complicity in the murder of Lebanese Abbas Mousawi back in 1992 by a 'car bomb'...

This is indeed interesting if we look at the background of the ownership of the Telegraph that this MSM is now openly accusing Israeli of possible complicity...

War on Error, Part 1947: "Car-Bomb-Suiciders don't bury themselves beforehand"

 

[Prophetboy]

ISRAELI SPIES IN AUSTRALIA

Posted By: Seidr <Send E-Mail>
Date: Tuesday, 22 February 2005, 9:57 a.m.

In Response To: MORE AND MORE PAPERS ACCUSE ISRAEL OF COMPLICITY... (FarSight3)

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involvement of Israeli Intel-cercles in the assasination.
Some of them: ...<<<

There was that Israeli Spy ring caught out in Australia
last year

The PLANNED BOMBING stinks of Mossad

to destabilize al that Harriri was doing
to create prosperity and trade with other Nations
to assit the whole region region to grow and prosper

If the Z cant control it

It wil be destroyed

Harriri was not letting the Z in
as one statesman in Europe in the 30's
also refused to let them in
when he got prosperity going in his Nation
again and established trade with many
Nations who saw the beauty of PEACEFUL TRADE
among Nations

This is NOT TO BE ALLOWED by the controllers !

The naked tyrant cant even keep his mask in place anymore,

And his dwindling virility is there for all to see.

HEH !

 

[Prophetboy]

911,,,, the inside job.
IT'S TIME TO END THE LOONEY 911 CONSPIRACY THEORIES!

Posted By: nwowatcher <Send E-Mail>
Date: Tuesday, 30 November 2004, 9:59 p.m.

Debunking conspiracy theorists' paranoid fantasies about Sept. 11

by Gerard Holmgren debunker@hotmail.com

Copyright Gerard Holmgren. Jan 2003.

This work may be freely copied and distributed without permission as long as it not for commercial use. Please include the author's name, the web address where you found it and the copyright notice.

Astute observers of history are aware that for every notable event there will usually be at least one ,often several wild conspiracy theories which spring up around it. "The CIA killed Hendrix" " The Pope had John Lennon murdered ", "Hitler was half Werewolf", "Space aliens replaced Nixon with a clone" etc,etc. The bigger the event, the more ridiculous and more numerous are the fanciful rantings which circulate in relation to it.

So its hardly surprising that the events of Sept 11 2001 have spawned their fair share of these ludicrous fairy tales. And as always, there is - sadly - a small but gullible percentage of the population eager to lap up these tall tales, regardless of facts or rational analysis.

One of the wilder stories circulating about Sept 11, and one that has attracted something of a cult following amongst conspiracy buffs is that it was carried out by 19 fanatical Arab hijackers, masterminded by an evil genius named Osama bin Laden, with no apparent motivation other than that they "hate our freedoms."

Never a group of people to be bothered by facts, the perpetrators of this cartoon fantasy have constructed an elaborately woven web of delusions and unsubstantiated hearsay in order to promote this garbage across the internet and the media to the extent that a number of otherwise rational people have actually fallen under its spell.

Normally I don't even bother debunking this kind of junk, but the effect that this paranoid myth is beginning to have requires a little rational analysis, in order to consign it to the same rubbish bin as all such silly conspiracy theories.

These crackpots even contend that the extremist Bush

regime was caught unawares by the attacks, had no hand in organizing them, and actually would have stopped them if it had been able. Blindly ignoring the stand down of the US air-force, the insider trading on airline stocks - linked to the CIA, the complicit behavior of Bush on the morning of the attacks, the controlled demolition of the WTC, the firing of a missile into the Pentagon and a host of other documented proofs that the Bush regime was behind the attacks, the conspiracy theorists stick doggedly to a silly story about 19 Arab hijackers somehow managing to commandeer 4 planes simultaneously and fly them around US airspace for nearly 2 hours ,crashing them into important buildings, without the US intelligence services having any idea that it was coming, and without the Air Force knowing what to do.

The huge difficulties with such a stupid story force them to invent even more preposturous stories to distract from its core silliness, and thus the tale has escalated into a mythic fantasy of truly gargantuan proportions.

It's difficult to apply rational analysis to such unmitigated stupidity, but that is the task which I take on in this article. However, it should be noted that one of the curious characteristics of conspiracy theorists is that they effortlessly change their so called evidence in response to each aspect which is debunked. As soon as one delusion is unmasked, they simply invent another to replace it, and deny that the first ever existed. Eventually, when they have turned full circle through this endlessly changing fantasy fog , they then re-invent the original delusion and deny that you ever debunked it, thus beginning the circle once more. This technique is known as "the fruit loop" and saves the conspiracy theorist from ever having to see any of their ideas through to their (ill)logical conclusions.

According to the practitioners of the fruit loop, 19 Arabs took over the 4 planes by subduing the passengers and crew through the use of guns,knives,box cutters and gas, and then used electronic guidance systems which they had smuggled on board to fly the planes to their targets.

The suspension of disbelief required for this outrageous concoction is only for the hard core conspiracy theorist. For a start, they conveniently skip over the awkward fact that there weren't any Arabs on the planes. If there were, one must speculate that they somehow got on board without being filmed by any of the security cameras and without being registered on the passenger lists. But the curly question of how they are supposed to have got on board is all too mundane for the exciting world of the conspiracy theorist. With vague mumblings that they must have been using false ID ( but never specifying which IDs they are alleged to have used, or how these were traced to their real identities), they quickly bypass this problem, to relate exciting and sinister tales about how some of the fictitious fiends were actually searched before boarding because they looked suspicious. However, as inevitably happens with any web of lies, this simply paints them into an even more difficult corner. How are they supposed to have got on board with all that stuff if they were searched ? And if they used gas in a confined space, they would have been affected themselves unless they also had masks in their luggage.

"Excuse me sir, why do you have a boxcutter, a gun, a container of gas, a gas mask and an electronic guidance unit in your luggage?"

"A present for your grandmother? Very well sir, on you get."

"Very strange", thinks the security officer. "That's the fourth Arabic man without an Arabic name who just got on board with a knife, gun or boxcutter and gas mask. And why does that security camera keep flicking off every time one these characters shows up? Must be one of those days I guess..."

Asking any of these basic questions to a conspiracy theorist is likely to cause a sudden leap to the claim that we know that they were on board because they left a credit card trail for the tickets they had purchased and cars they had rented. So if they used credit cards that identified them, how does that reconcile with the claim that they used false IDs to get on to the plane? But by this time ,the fruit loop is in full swing, as the conspiracy theorist tries to stay one jump ahead of this annoying and awkward rational analysis.They will allege that the hijackers' passports were found at the crash scenes. "So there!" they exalt triumphantly, their fanatical faces lighting up with that deranged look of one who has just a revelation of questionable sanity.

Hmm? So they got on board with false IDs but took their real passports with them? However, by this time the fruit loop has been completely circumnavigated,and the conspiracy theorist exclaims impatiently, "Who said anything about false IDs? We know what seats they were sitting in! Their presence is well documented!" And so the whole loop starts again. "Well, why aren't they on the passenger lists?"

"You numbskull! They assumed the identities of other passengers!" And so on...

Finally, out of sheer fascination with this circular method of creative delusion , the rational sceptic will allow them to get away with this loop, in order to move on to the next question, and see what further delights await us in the unraveling of this marvelously stupid story.

"Uh, how come their passports survived fiery crashes that completely incinerated the planes and all the passengers? " The answer of course is that its just one of those strange co-incidences, those little quirks of fate that do happen from time to time. You know, like the same person winning the lottery four weeks in a row. The odds are astronomical, but these things do happen...

This is another favourite deductive method of the conspiracy theorist. The "improbability drive" , in which they decide upon a conclusion without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and then continually speculate a series of wildly improbable events and unbelievable co-incidences to support it, shrugging off the implausibility of each event with the vague assertion that sometimes the impossible happens (just about all the time in their world). There is a principle called "Occam's razor" which suggests that in the absence of evidence to the contrary, the simplest explanation is most likely to be correct. Conspiracy theorists hate Occam's razor.

Having for the sake of amusement, allowed them to get away with with the silly story of the 19 invisible Arabs, we move on to the question of how they are supposed to have taken over the planes.

Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas (after they had attached their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive.

So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of "our freedoms" , it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find.

It gets better. Their practical training had allegedly been limited to Cessnas and flight simulators, but this was no barrier to the unflinching certainty with which they took over the planes and skillfully guided them to their doom. If they are supposed to have done their flight training with these tools, which would be available just about anywhere in the world, its not clear why they would have decided to risk blowing their cover to US intelligence services by doing the training in Florida, rather than somewhere in the Middle East, but such reasoning is foreign to the foggy world of the conspiracy theorist , too trapped in the constant rotation of the mental fruit loop to make their unsubstantiated fabrications seem even semi-believable.

Having triumphantly established a circular delusion in support of the mythical Arabs, the conspiracy theorist now confronts the difficult question of why there's nothing left of the planes. Anybody who has seen the endlessly replayed footage of the second plane going into the WTC will realize that the plane was packed with explosives. Planes do not and cannot blow up into nothing in that manner when they crash.

Did the mythical Arabs also haul a huge heap of explosives on board, and mange to deploy them in such a manner that they went off in the exact instant of the crash, completely vapourizing the plane? This is a little difficult even for the conspiracy theorist, who at this point decides that its easier to invent new laws of physics in order to keep the delusion rolling along.

There weren't any explosives. It wasn't an inside job. The plane blew up into nothing from its exploding fuel load! Remarkable! Sluggishly combustible jet fuel which is basically kerosine,and which burns at a maximum temperature of around 800 C has suddenly taken on the qualities of a ferociously explosive demolition agent, vapourizing 65 tons of aircraft into a puff of smoke. Never mind that a plane of that size contains around 15 tons of steel and titanium, of which even the melting points are about double that of the maximum combustion temperature of kerosine - let alone the boiling point - which is what would be required to vapourize a plane. And then there's about 50 tons of aluminium to be accounted for. In excess of 15lbs of metal for each gallon of kerosine.

For the conspiracy theorist, such inconvenient facts are vaguely dismissed as "mumbo jumbo". This convenient little phrase is their answer to just about anything factual or logical. Like a conjurer pulling a rabbit out of a hat, they suddenly become fanatically insistent about the devastating explosive qualities of kerosine, something hitherto completely unknown to science, but just discovered by them, this very minute. Blissfully ignoring the fact that never before or since in aviation history has a plane vapourized into nothing from an exploding fuel load, the conspiracy theorist relies upon Hollywood images, where the effects are are always larger than life, and certainly larger than the intellects of these cretins.

"Its a well known fact that planes blow up into nothing on impact." they state with pompous certainty. "Watch any Bruce Willis movie."

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[Prophetboy]

"Care to provide any documented examples? If it's a well known fact, then presumably this well known fact springs from some kind of documentation - other than Bruce Willis movies ?"

At this point the mad but cunning eyes of the conspiracy theorist will narrow as they sense the corner that they have backed themselves into, and plan their escape by means of another stunning backflip.

"Ah, but planes have never crashed into buildings before, so there's no way of telling." they counter with a sly grin.

Well, actually planes have crashed into buildings before and since, and not vapourized into nothing.

"But not big planes, with that much fuel ", they shriek in hysterical denial.

Or that much metal to vapourize.

"Yes but not hijacked planes!"

"Are you suggesting that whether the crash is deliberate or accidental affects the combustion qualities of the fuel?"

"Now you're just being silly".

Although collisions with buildings are rare, planes frequently crash into mountains, streets, other aircraft, nosedive into the ground,or have bombs planted aboard them, and don't vapourize into nothing. What's so special about a tower that's mostly glass? But by now, the conspiracy theorist has once again sailed happily around the fruit loop. "Its a well documented fact that planes explode into nothing on impact."

Effortlessly weaving back and forth between the position that its a "well known fact" and that "its never happened before, so we have nothing to compare it to", the conspiracy theorist has now convinced themselves ( if not too many other people) that the WTC plane was not loaded with explosives, and that the instant vapourization of the plane in a massive fireball was the same as any other plane crash you might care to mention. Round and round the fruit. loop...

But the hurdles which confront the conspiracy theorist are many, and they are now forced to implement even more creative uses for the newly discovered shockingly destructive qualities of kerosine. They have to explain how the Arabs also engineered the elegant veritcal collapse of both the WTC towers, and for this awkward fact the easiest counter is to simply deny that it was a controlled demolition, and claim that the buildings collapsed from fire caused by the burning kerosine.

For this, its necessary to sweep aside the second law of thermodynamics and propose kerosine which is not only impossibly destructive, but also recycles itself for a second burning in violation of the law of degradation of energy. You see, it not only consumed itself in a sudden catastrophic fireball , vapourizing a 65 ton plane into nothing, but then came back for a second go, burning at 2000C for another hour at the impact point, melting the skyscraper's steel like butter. And while it was doing all this it also poured down the elevator shafts, starting fires all through the building. When I was at school there was a little thing called the entropy law which suggests that a given portion of fuel can only burn once, something which is readily observable in the real world, even for those who didn't make it to junior high school science. But this is no problem for the conspiracy theorist. Gleefully, they claim that a few thousand gallons of kerosine is enough to

:completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft

:have enough left over to burn ferociously enough for over an hour at the impact point to melt steel ( melting point about double the maximum combustion temperature of the fuel )

:still have enough left over to pour down the elevator shafts and start similarly destructive fires all through the building.

This kerosine really is remarkable stuff! How chilling to realize that those kerosine heaters we had in the house when I was a kid were deadly bombs, just waiting to go off. One false move and the entire street might have been vapourized. And never again will I take kerosine lamps out camping. One moment you're there innocently holding the lamp - the next - kapow! Vapourized into nothing along with with the rest of the camp site, and still leaving enough of the deadly stuff to start a massive forest fire.

These whackos are actually claiming that the raging inferno allegedly created by the miraculously recycling, and impossibly hot burning kerosine melted or at least softened the steel supports of the skyscraper. Oblivious to the fact that the smoke coming from the WTC was black, which indicates an oxygen starved fire -therefore, not particularly hot, they trumpet an alleged temperature in the building of 2000 C , without a shred of evidence to support this curious suspension of the laws of physics.

Not content with this ludicrous garbage, they then contend that as the steel frames softened, they came straight down instead of buckling and twisting and falling sideways.

Since they're already re-engineered the combustion qualities of jet fuel, violated the second law of thermodynamics, and re-defined the structural properties of steel, why let a little thing like the laws of gravity get in the way?

The tower fell in a time almost identical to that of a free falling object, dropped from that height, meaning that its physically impossible for it to have collapsed by the method of the top floors smashing through the lower floors. But according to the conspiracy theorists, the laws of gravity were temporarily suspended on the morning of Sept 11. It appears that the evil psychic power of those dreadful Arabs knew no bounds. Even after they were dead, they were able, by the power of their evil spirits, to force down the tower at a speed physically impossible under the laws of gravity, had it been meeting any resistance from fireproofed steel structures originally designed to resist many tons of hurricane force wind as well as the impact of a Boeing passenger jet straying off course.

Clearly, these conspiracy nuts never did their science homework at school, but did become extremely adept at inventing tall tales for why.

"Muslim terrorists stole my notes, sir"

"No miss, the kerosine heater blew up and vapourized everything in the street, except for my passport."

"You see sir, the schoolbus was hijacked by Arabs who destroyed my homework because they hate our freedoms."

Or perhaps they misunderstood the term "creative science" and mistakenly thought that coming up with such rubbish was in fact, their science homework.

The ferocious heat generated by this ghastly kerosine was, according to the conspiracy theorists, the reason why so many of the WTC victims can't be identified. DNA is destroyed by heat. (Although 2000 C isn't really required, 100C will generally do the job.) This is quite remarkable, because according to the conspiracy theorist, the nature of DNA suddenly changes if you go to a different city.

That's right! If you are killed by an Arab terrorist in NY, your DNA will be destroyed by such temperatures. But if you are killed by an Arab terrorist in Washington DC, your DNA will be so robust that it can survive temperatures which completely vapourize a 65 ton aircraft.

You see, these loonies have somehow concocted the idea that the missile which hit the pentagon was not a missile at all, but one of the hijacked planes. And to prove this unlikely premise, they point to a propaganda statement from the Bush regime, which rather stupidly claims that all but one of the people aboard the plane were identified from the site by DNA testing, even though nothing remains of the plane. The plane was vapourized by the fuel tank explosion maintain these space loonies, but the people inside it were all but one identified by DNA testing.

So there we have it. The qualities of DNA are different, depending upon which city you're in, or perhaps depending upon which fairy story you're trying to sell at any particular time.

This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through three rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible.

But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well ? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour.

Conspiracy theorists fly into a curious panic whenever the Pentagon missile is mentioned.They nervously maintain that the plane was vapourized by it's exploding fuel load and point to the WTC crash as evidence of this behavior. (That's a wonderful fruit loop.) Like an insect which has just been sprayed, running back and forth in its last mad death throes, they first argue that the reason the hole is so small is that the plane never entered the wall, having blown up outside, and then suddenly backflip to explain the 250 ft deep missile hole by saying that the plane disappeared all the way into the building, and then blew up inside the building (even though the building shows no sign of such damage). As for what happened to the wings - here's where they get really creative. The wings snapped off and folded into the fuselage which then carried them into the building, which then closed up behind the plane like a piece of meat.

When it suits them, they'll also claim that the plane slid in on its belly, (ignoring the undamaged lawn) while at the same time citing alleged witnesses to the plane diving steeply into the building from an "irrecoverable angle." How they reconcile these two scenarios as being compatible is truly a study in stupidity.

Once they get desperate enough, you can be sure that the UFO conspiracy stuff will make an appearance. The Arabs are in league with the Martians. Space aliens snatched the remains of the Pentagon plane and fixed most of the hole in the wall, just to confuse people. They gave the Arabs invisibility pills to help get them onto the planes. Little green men were seen talking to Bin Laden a few weeks prior to the attacks.

As the nation gears up to impeach the traitor Bush, and stop his perpetual oil war, it's not helpful to have these idiots distracting from the process by spreading silly conspiracy theories about mythical Arabs, stories which do nothing but play into the hands of the extremist Bush regime.

At a less serious time, we might tolerate such crackpots with amused detachment, but they need to understand that the treachery that was perpetrated on Sept 11, and the subsequent war crimes committed in "retaliation" are far too serious for us to allow such frivolous self indulgence to go unchallenged.

Those who are truly addicted to conspiracy delusions should find a more appropriate outlet for their paranoia.

Its time to stop loony conspiracy theories about Sept 11.
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[Prophetboy]

05-30-2005 09:10 AM Edit(5 min. Max) Quote Report

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf
Operation Northwoods

Media Published Fake Passenger Lists: Analysis Here http://www.911closeup.com/index.shtml?ID=65

The 9-11 Passenger List Oddity Link http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/911passengerlist.html

Flight 93 - Flight 93 = Y Link http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/04/316532.shtml

The Five Sided Fantasy Island http://911-strike.com/pentagon.htm

And then there's this odd little story. I believe Theresa was the first to post this one.

Plane Lands In Cleveland; Bomb Feared Aboard

Reported by: 9News Staff Web produced by: Liz Foreman
9/11/01 11:43:57 AM

A Boeing 767 out of Boston made an emergency landing Tuesday at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport due to concerns that it may have a bomb aboard, said Mayor Michael R. White.

White said the plane had been moved to a secure area of the airport, and was evacuated.

United identified the plane as Flight 93. The airline did say how many people were aboard the flight.

United said it was also "deeply concerned" about another flight, Flight 175, a Boeing 767, which was bound from Boston to Los Angeles.

Link http://www.policestate21.com/bomb_threat.html

 

[Prophetboy]

EXPLOSIVE: 9/11 SMALL JETS OUTFITTED FOR REMOTE CONTROL *PIC*

Posted By: clickyd <Send E-Mail>
Date: Sunday, 29 May 2005, 12:42 p.m.

I received this in my email and thought I would pass it along.

*SNIP*

According to two civilian defense contractor employees working at commercial corporate facilities at Fort Collins-Loveland Municipal Airport (left), in the months before the September 11 attacks U.S. Air Force defense contractors brought in A-3 Sky Warrior aircraft under cover of darkness to be completely refitted and modified at the small civilian airport in Colorado.

The revelations are important evidence for a reportedly ongoing secret 9/11 probe because widely available Federal Emergency Management Administration (FEMA) photographs taken during the attacks clearly show that the few aircraft parts found at the Pentagon belonged to a small jet very similar to a modified A-3 Sky Warrior--not the American Airlines Boeing 757.

It is not known whether all members of Congress are aware of the under-the-radar-screen grand jury proceedings, who has already testified, and whether the probe is purposefully being kept from public knowledge, according to government intelligence sources.

The two witnesses say that separate military contractor teams--working independently at different times--refitted Douglas A-3 Sky Warriors (above) with updated missiles, Raytheon's Global Hawk unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) remote control systems, fire control systems, engines, transponders, and radio-radar-navigation systems--a total makeover, seemingly for an operation more important than use as a simple missile testing platform for defense contractor Hughes-Raytheon.

The employees asked not to be identified for personal safety reasons and fear of job retaliation; but both told 2008 independent presidential candidate Karl Schwarz (left) "the Air Force brought in separate teams to do top-secret military work unrelated to commercial aviation at our airport, and we were told by our bosses not to discuss what we had seen with anyone."

The witnesses were quite fearful about several recent "suicides, car wrecks--mysterious deaths--directly related to the aviation experts" working on the systems that were installed on the A-3â&#8364;&#8482;s at Fort Collins-Loveland--having breached the government-blocked information flow at great personal risk, according to Schwarz--but providing more evidence for a New York 9/11 investigation.

Schwarz, a former Republican from Arkansas now living in Georgia and running as an independent to clean up government corruption and crime told TomFlocco.com that he met with the employees for about an hour in February to discuss the issue.

The witnesses told Schwarz that each jet was placed in a hanger just big enough for a work crew and one A-3 Sky Warrior; and "we were under strict orders not to discuss what the military teams were doing or what we saw."

The presidential candidate told us "there are about 150 retired and active U.S. military and federal intelligence officers who will come forward and testify regarding government involvement in the September 11 attacks--but only if there is a serious criminal grand jury."

Small plane evidence moved at Pentagon

The approximate 16-foot entry hole at the outside facade of the Pentagon on 9/11 has been the subject of countless questions by those who say the hole was caused by an air-to-ground missile (AGM) fired from a small military jet rather than an impact from a Boeing 757.

Interestingly, the Hughes division manufactures the AGMs; and the Raytheon division maintains the last few A-3 Sky Warriors in operation save 2-4 Air Force jets--while also manufacturing the Global Hawk UAV remote control systems.

Some reasons cited to support a missile hole include evidence that a) the wings and rear stabilizer caused virtually no damage to the outside walls and windows at point of impact, b) no 757 interior or exterior parts were found at the scene, c) the soft nose of a 757 would have had difficulty piercing through three Pentagon wall rings, and d) three aircraft parts found were similar to the somewhat outdated but still serviceable Douglas A-3 Sky Warrior military attack jet rather than the much larger Boeing 757.

Air-traffic controllers from the Washington, DC sector originally said the incoming plane was a military jet according to reports; but no grand jury has called them to testify and they have been strangely gagged from speaking out.

One air traffic controller from another Northeast sector revealed to a 9-11 widow that FBI threats were made of both a personal and career nature: "You are ordered never to speak about what you saw on your screen during the attacks; and if you do, things will not go well for you and your family."

Curiously, a large piece of wreckage was found in the entry hole; but the public was kept from closely observing what appears to be a sheared-off piece of wing from a much smaller jet than a Boeing 757.

A group of military personnel and federal officials in suits tightly covered the piece of wreckage with a blue tarp and carried it away to a waiting truck. No reporters or independent aircraft experts have been permitted to examine any of the recovered aircraft parts and no subpoenas have been issued to hear public grand jury testimony from the "movers."

Other government officials who looked more like FBI agents than rescue workers were also photographed moving evidence around immediately after the crash; but none have been subpoenaed to publicly testify as to whether they were bringing evidence to or removing it from a mass murder crime scene.

As if they had prior knowledge, within minutes after the Pentagon crash--FBI agents quickly confiscated a) video tape from a gas station security camera aimed directly at the exact point of impact while recording the size of the plane and/or missile, b) security camera video film from a nearby Sheraton hotel and c) film from a Virginia Transportation Department freeway overpass camera.

This, raising significant questions about obstruction of justice since no reporter, independent crime scene expert or grand jury has been able to view and analyze the film since it was confiscated or certify that it was not tampered with--and those surrendering the film were again told not to discuss the matter.

It is not known whether the FBI has invoked immunity from prosecution regarding this evidence--or cited "National State Secrets" in a manner similar to FBI linguist Sibel Edmonds' case linked to financing the 9-11 attacks, drug money laundering and political campaign contributions.

The explosive evidence raises questions as to whether the grand jury will subpoena all Pentagon wreckage to determine whether it was a section from an A-3 Sky Warrior as many knowledgeable sources believe but also whether the recovered parts do not match a Boeing 757 as asserted by many.

 

[Prophetboy]

Date: Sat May 28 2005 06:11
Glooscap (The jingoist GOP Congressman who brought us "freedom fries" now says Iraq war had "no justification.) ID#249333:
Copyright © 2002 Glooscap All rights reserved
Times have changed, haven't they?



French fries protester regrets war jibe

Jamie Wilson in Washington

It was a culinary rebuke that echoed around the world, heightening the sense of tension between Washington and Paris in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq. But now the US politician who led the campaign to change the name of french fries to "freedom fries" has turned against the war.
Walter Jones, the Republican congressman for North Carolina who was also the brains behind french toast becoming freedom toast in Capitol Hill restaurants, told a local newspaper the US went to war "with no justification".

click here ...

 

[Prophetboy]

CAMPAIGN WANTS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY

Posted By: WhiteHorseRider <Send E-Mail>
Date: Friday, 27 May 2005, 10:51 p.m.

TRUTH OUT.ORG

Campaign Wants Inquiry of Impeachable Offenses

By David Swanson
The American Chronicle

Thursday 26 May 2005

A coalition of veterans' groups, peace groups, and political activist groups announced a campaign today to urge that the US Congress launch a formal investigation into whether President Bush has committed impeachable offenses in connection with the Iraq war. The campaign focuses on evidence that recently emerged in a British memo containing minutes of a secret July 2002 meeting with British Prime Minister Tony Blair and his top national security officials.

John Bonifaz, a Boston attorney specializing in constitutional litigation, sent a memo to Congressman John Conyers of Michigan, the Ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, urging him to introduce a Resolution of Inquiry directing the House Judiciary Committee to launch a formal investigation into whether sufficient grounds exist for the House to impeach President Bush.

Bonifaz's memo, made available today at

<www.AfterDowningStreet.org>,

begins: "The recent release of the Downing Street Memo provides new and compelling evidence that the President of the United States has been actively engaged in a conspiracy to deceive and mislead the United States Congress and the American people about the basis for going to war against Iraq. If true, such conduct constitutes a High Crime under Article II, Section 4 of the United States Constitution."

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LINK TO FULL TEXT OF REPORT

 

[Prophetboy]

ZIONIST BEAST OF BURDEN

Posted By: Aladdin <Send E-Mail>
Date: Friday, 27 May 2005, 4:30 a.m.

In Response To: CITY OF LONDON AS MASTERMIND (Aladdin)

A provocative piece from RENSE
chronicling MOSSAD's past deeds .....
- Aladdin

Mossad & 911 - US Becomes Zionist Beast Of Burden
An Independent Investigation Of 911 And The War On Terrorism
By Dr. Albert D. Pastore PhD 5-26-5
http://rense.com/general65/mossw.htm

The Hebrew Inscription On The Mossad Logo Reads -
"By Way Of Deception Thou Shalt Do War"

We have reviewed how the Zionists used and discarded Germany. Then ...Great Britain. After World War II, it was ...the United States.

SNIP ...

In 1955, one of these "false flag" operations was publicly exposed ...Israeli agents, impersonating Arab terrorists, were caught staging a series of bombings against American installations in Egypt. (2) When this conspiracy was exposed, ...it brought down the Israeli government....scandal became known as "the Lavon Affair".

SNIP ...

Then again during a 1967 war with the Arabs, Israeli gunboats and fighter jets deliberately attacked the USSTHE BADLY DAMAGED USS LIBERTY. ...Thirty five American sailors were murdered and 170 others injured in a prolonged Israeli onslaught

SNIP ...

In the 1980's, the Israelis once again succeeded in framing enemy Arabs in order to enrage America. Former Mossad case officer Victor Ostrosvky ...defected from the Mossad. ...revealed exactly how the Israelis framed Libya for the bombing of a German night club which killed American servicemen. (4) It was this frame up job that caused President Reagan to bomb Libya in 1986, killing the 4 year old daughter of Libyan leader Muamar Qadhafi.

SNIP ...

Ostrovsky, whose 1990 tell-all book, By Way of Deception, infuriated the Mossad ...Among some of Ostrovosky's other amazing revelations are:

* The Mossad recruits Arab agents to carry out missions.

* Israeli agents are skilled at impersonating Arabs.

* Mossad had an elaborate plan to vilify Iraq and involve the US in a war against it.

SNIP .....

In 2001, the Washington Times ran a story ...issued by the Army School of Advanced Military Studies (SAMS).

Here's what SAMS had to say about the Israeli military machine: " ...a 500 pound gorilla in Israel. Well armed and trained. Operates in both Gaza and the West Bank. Known to disregard international law to accomplish mission"(6)

Of Israel's Mossad, the officers issued this warning:
"Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning. Has capability to target US forces and make it look like a Palestinian Arab act." (7) (emphasis added)

Why does the US, which is trillions of dollars in debt, give away billons of taxpayer dollars to a foreign government whose military violates international laws and whose Mossad is capable of murdering US troops in order to frame Arabs?
Have we lost our minds?


Mossad & 911 - US Becomes Zionist Beast Of Burden

 

[Prophetboy]

The Provocateur State:
Is the CIA Behind the Iraqi "Insurgents"--and Global Terrorism?
by Frank Morales
WORLD WAR 4 REPORT, May 10, 2005 http://WW4Report.com
www.globalresearch.ca 12 May 2005

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The requirement of an ever-escalating level of social violence to meet the political and economic needs of the insatiable "anti-terrorist complex" is the essence of the new US militarism.

What is now openly billed as "permanent war" ultimately serves the geo-political ends of social control in the interests of US corporate domination, much as the anti-communist crusade of the now-exhausted Cold War did.

Back in 2002, following the trauma of 9-11, Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld predicted there would be more terrorist attacks against the American people and civilization at large. How could he be so sure of that? Perhaps because these attacks would be instigated on the order of the Honorable Mr. Rumsfeld. According to Los Angeles Times military analyst William Arkin, writing Oct. 27, 2002, Rumsfeld set out to create a secret army, "a super-Intelligence Support Activity" network that would "bring together CIA and military covert action, information warfare, intelligence, and cover and deception," to stir the pot of spiraling global violence.

According to a classified document prepared for Rumsfeld by his Defense Science Board, the new organization--the "Proactive, Preemptive Operations Group (P2OG)"--would actually carry out secret missions designed to provoke terrorist groups into committing violent acts. The P2OG, a 100-member, so-called "counter-terrorist" organization with a $100-million-a-year budget, would ostensibly target "terrorist leaders," but according to P2OG documents procured by Arkin, would in fact carry out missions designed to "stimulate reactions" among "terrorist groups"--which, according to the Defense Secretary's logic, would subsequently expose them to "counter-attack" by the good guys. In other words, the plan is to execute secret military operations (assassinations, sabotage, "deception") which would intentionally result in terrorist attacks on innocent people, including Americans--essentially, to "combat terrorism" by causing it!

This notion is currently being applied to the problem of the Iraqi "insurgency," it seems. According to a May 1, 2005 report by Peter Maass in the New York Times Magazine, two of the top US advisers to Iraqi paramilitary commandos fighting the insurgents are veterans of US counterinsurgency operations in Latin America. Loaning credence to recent media speculation about the "Salvadorization" of Iraq, the report notes that one adviser currently in Iraq is James Steele, who led a team of 55 US Army Special Forces advisers in El Salvador in the 1980s. Maass writes that these advisors "trained front-line battalions that were accused of significant human rights abuses."

Read the entire article at: The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MOR505A.html

 

[Prophetboy]

DANGER: MIND CONTROLLERS AT WORK!

Posted By: Mother_Of_The_World <Send E-Mail>
Date: Wednesday, 25 May 2005, 6:59 a.m.

With everything that's happened over the last few years, intelligent, free thinking, and open-minded people must be wondering: HOW have such incredible ABOMINATIONS (like 9/11; "Operation Enduring Freedom"; "Operation Iraqi Freedom"; the various corporate, and political corruption scandals - not to mention Constitutional CRIMES (i.e: "The Patriot Act" etc!), been allowed to transpire, in our "civilized, and advanced modern society", without undefendable general public RESISTANCE.

Maybe this recent report can explain WHY?

(See also latest report on the Author's homepage!)
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Danger: Mind Controllers At Work!

Part One - Copyright Joe Vialls, 15th May 2005

So you think you voted for George Bush or Tony Blair or John Howard
on their 'merits'? Think again. Media mind control techniques have
now reached a new standard of excellence in the west. Out go
old-fashioned baseball bats and heavy drugs, replaced by
'low light images', and a new 'color coded language'
fired straight down your unsuspecting optic nerve.

EXCERPT:

When government politicians and officials indulge in high crimes like treason, mass murder and pedophilia, an innocent "patsy" is always put in place to take the blame. As mentioned later in this report, these unfortunate patsies receive far harsher 'preparation and treatment' than the subliminal psychotronic brainwashing delivered to you via television screens and video stores.

EXCERPT:

Yes, of course the deranged 'One World Government' controllers on Wall Street wish to manipulate your thoughts and reasoning, but are dead against you discovering that your thoughts and reasoning are not always your own. A major clue on this objective was provided by Zbigniew Brzezinski, then National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter:

"In the technotronic society the trend would seem to be towards the aggregation of the individual support of millions of uncoordinated citizens, easily within the reach of magnetic and attractive personalities effectively exploiting the latest communications techniques to manipulate emotions and control reason."

Brzezinski had no intention of 'implanting' radio receivers inside the heads of American citizens, because, thankfully, he knew there was absolutely no need to do so. Can you imagine ayone in America, Australia, or Britain meekly submitting to such a bizarre procedure? "Oh sure, Doc, that sounds great! Can you fit them to my wife and kids as well?"


FULL ARTICLE

http://www.surfingtheapocalypse.net...ames;read=76336

 

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[Prophetboy]

US 'backed illegal Iraqi oil deals'

Report claims blind eye was turned to sanctions busting by American firms

Julian Borger and Jamie Wilson in Washington
Tuesday May 17, 2005
The Guardian

The United States administration turned a blind eye to extensive sanctions-busting in the prewar sale of Iraqi oil, according to a new Senate investigation.
A report released last night by Democratic staff on a Senate investigations committee presents documentary evidence that the Bush administration was made aware of illegal oil sales and kickbacks paid to the Saddam Hussein regime but did nothing to stop them.

The scale of the shipments involved dwarfs those previously alleged by the Senate committee against UN staff and European politicians like the British MP, George Galloway, and the former French minister, Charles Pasqua.

In fact, the Senate report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52% of the kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil - more than the rest of the world put together.
"The United States was not only aware of Iraqi oil sales which violated UN sanctions and provided the bulk of the illicit money Saddam Hussein obtained from circumventing UN sanctions," the report said. "On occasion, the United States actually facilitated the illicit oil sales.

The report is likely to ease pressure from conservative Republicans on Kofi Annan to resign from his post as UN secretary general.

The new findings are also likely to be raised when Mr Galloway appears before the Senate subcommittee on investigations today.

The Respect MP for Bethnal Green and Bow arrived yesterday in Washington demanding an apology from the Senate for what he called the "schoolboy dossier" passed off as an investigation against him.

"It was full of holes, full of falsehoods and full of value judgments that are apparently only shared here in Washington," he said at Washington Dulles airport.

He told Reuters: "I have no expectation of justice ... I come not as the accused but as the accuser. I am [going] to show just how absurd this report is."

Mr Galloway has denied allegations that he profited from Iraqi oil sales and will come face to face with the committee in what promises to be one of the most highly charged pieces of political theatre seen in Washington for some time.

Yesterday's report makes two principal allegations against the Bush administration. Firstly, it found the US treasury failed to take action against a Texas oil company, Bayoil, which facilitated payment of "at least $37m in illegal surcharges to the Hussein regime".

The surcharges were a violation of the UN Oil For Food programme, by which Iraq was allowed to sell heavily discounted oil to raise money for food and humanitarian supplies. However, Saddam was allowed to choose which companies were given the highly lucrative oil contracts. Between September 2000 and September 2002 (when the practice was stopped) the regime demanded kickbacks of 10 to 30 US cents a barrel in return for oil allocations.

In its second main finding, the report said the US military and the state department gave a tacit green light for shipments of nearly 8m barrels of oil bought by Jordan, a vital American ally, entirely outside the UN-monitored Oil For Food system. Jordan was permitted to buy some oil directly under strict conditions but these purchases appeared to be under the counter.

The report details a series of efforts by UN monitors to obtain information about Bayoil's oil shipments in 2001 and 2002, and the lack of help provided by the US treasury.

After repeated requests over eight months from the UN and the US state department, the treasury's office of foreign as sets control wrote to Bayoil in May 2002, requesting a report on its transactions but did not "request specific information by UN or direct Bayoil to answer the UN's questions".

Bayoil's owner, David Chalmers, has been charged over the company's activities. His lawyer Catherine Recker told the Washington Post: "Bayoil and David Chalmers [said] they have done nothing illegal and will vigorously defend these reckless accusations."

The Jordanian oil purchases were shipped in the weeks before the war, out of the Iraqi port of Khor al-Amaya, which was operating without UN approval or surveillance.

Investigators found correspondence showing that Odin Marine Inc, the US company chartering the seven huge tankers which picked up the oil at Khor al-Amaya, repeatedly sought and received approval from US military and civilian officials that the ships would not be confiscated by US Navy vessels in the Maritime Interdiction Force (MIF) enforcing the embargo.

Odin was reassured by a state department official that the US "was aware of the shipments and has determined not to take action".

The company's vice president, David Young, told investigators that a US naval officer at MIF told him that he "had no objections" to the shipments. "He said that he was sorry he could not say anything more. I told him I completely understood and did not expect him to say anything more," Mr Young said.

An executive at Odin Maritime confirmed the senate account of the oil shipments as "correct" but declined to comment further.

It was not clear last night whether the Democratic report would be accepted by Republicans on the Senate investigations committee.

The Pentagon declined to comment. The US representative's office at the UN referred inquiries to the state department, which fail to return calls.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story...1485648,00.html