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Apparently you don't understand my facts completely and here is where you are confused. Even though this shallow ground hearer in Luke 8:13 is said to have "believed," yet he is never said to have been "saved." How do we know that the shallow ground hearer was never actually "saved"? First, his heart condition is contrasted with that of the "good ground" hearer in the 4th soil, who's heart was "good" and "honest." Thus, his heart was not good, being like the soil to which it corresponds, being "shallow" or "rocky," lacking sufficient depth. Such soil represents a sinner not properly prepared in heart.
Amen! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no works (to evidence to his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith.
Amen! Saving belief in Christ continues because it's rooted in a regenerate heart and is not some shallow, temporary belief that has no root, produces no fruit and withers away.
It would be obvious had I read your post.. but I didn't and you are right, but please don't assume people who are NOT responding to your posts even have any understanding of what you have been posting. I didn't and short of going back through them probably won't.
We are saved (accounted as righteous) by faith, not works (Romans 4:2-6) and justified (shown to be righteous) by works. (James 2:21, 2:24)
If you read post #582 you will see there is no contradiction. I never said the ex believer never believed anything at all, but his belief was shallow, lacking sufficient depth and was not firmly rooted belief resulting in salvation. People who "believe" in a shallow way and without a prepared heart, and without a good and honest heart, and without having "root" in themselves, do not experience real salvation. *Not all belief is the same.*
Their belief would save them if they were not against Christ.
The guy who hosts that message board is another OSAS person and so is the guy who owns CARM. It is easy to mix and match scripture to make the Bible say whatever you want. The point being there are numerous scriptures that warn against backsliding and they are there for a reason.
The Bible says our names can be blotted out of the lambs book of life and anyone who says otherwise has to manipulate scripture, hence the long posts we get that play one scripture against another, similar to the lies of fake news.
Belief that saves trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (John 3:15,16,18; Acts 10:43; 16:31 etc..) It's one thing to believe that the death, burial and resurrection of Christ "happened." Even the demons believe that and they are not saved. In order to be saved we must also trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4; Romans 1:16)
Show me where the Bible specifically says, "lose your salvation."
Few will find the narrow way because few genuinely trust in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Many trust in works which leads down the broad way.
Peter had a weak moment, but nothing was mentioned about him losing his salvation. The other disciples along with Peter were said to "fall away" when Jesus was arrested. (Matthew 26:31-35) Is Peter in hell? Are the other remaining disciples in hell? So much for eternal IN-security.
Typical straw man argument by those who promote eternal IN-security and teach "type 2 works salvation."
Genuine believers are not in opposition.
