want to talk about OSAS?

[1an]

Sure it is for there is NO SCRIPTURE stating Eternal life is ever lost. Feel free to join in if you can stay on topic

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Those who have Eternal Life are not condemned as Paul says there is no condemnation for those in Christ. Nothing can separate us from Christ.

John 3:36
"He who believes in the Son has eternal life;

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

We have Eternal Life now.

John 6:47
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

John 6:54
54 "He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.

John 10:27-30
"My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 "My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. 30 "I and the Father are one."

His sheep NEVER perish they are secure in Him.

Matthew 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Eternal Life is present and future as we read above and below. We have passed out of death into life. Its a done deal, no conditions.

1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed out of death into life,

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

We have full assurance of Eternal Life above. Its something we can know.

hope this helps !!!

The backslider is lost.
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[Jesus is YHWH]

The backslider is lost.
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The topic is eternal life,

Got Scripture stating one with Eternal Life loses it ?

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

You are taking these verses out of context. I will address the context of the verses later when I have more time. Maybe tonight or tomorrow sometime.

No I'm sticking with the topic/ doctrine of Eternal Life with the scriptures about Eternal Life.

Can you stay on topic ?

 

[1an]

The topic is eternal life,

Got Scripture stating one with Eternal Life loses it ?

Every believer who backslides loses the gift of eternal life.
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[Jesus is YHWH]

Every believer who backslides loses the gift of eternal life.
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Got Scripture ?

Don't argue your personal doctrine engage the biblical text on Eternal Life.

Show a single verse where " Eternal Life " is taken away from one who has Eternal Life.

 

[1an]

Got Scripture ?

Show a single verse where " Eternal Life " is taken away from one who has Eternal Life.

I posted them and you ignored them. Look if you leave the presence of the Lord, where do you think you are going? Mind you, you will have eternal life in another place, but that is not what you mean.

Now then, I am not going to spoon feed you anymore just to have my posts ignored, and please do not order me about. I am not your lacy, so you find them.
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[Jesus is YHWH]

I posted them and you ignored them. Look if you leave the presence of the Lord, where do you think you are going?

Now then, I am not going to spoon feed you anymore just to have my posts ignored, and please do not order me about. I am not your lacy, so you find them.
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Not a single verse with Eternal Life in it which speaks volumes.

I know all the verses in Scripture regarding Eternal Life which is why you will NEVER find one supported your heretical view on losing Eternal Life because its NOT FOUND ANTHWERE in Scripture.

 

[1an]

Not a single verse with Eternal Life in it which speaks volumes.

I know all the verses in Scripture regarding Eternal Life which is why you will NEVER find one supported your heretical view on losing Eternal Life because its NOT FOUND ANTHWERE in Scripture.

Look for something like eternal death, cast out from the presence of the Lord, condemned, eternal destruction. Use your brains and vary your search terms.
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[Jesus is YHWH]

Look for something like eternal death, cast out from the presence of the Lord, condemned, eternal destruction. Use your brains and vary your search terms.
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Yes eternal punishment/destruction are those who never had eternal life. duh

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Matthew 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

 

[Albion]

I posted them and you ignored them. Look if you leave the presence of the Lord, where do you think you are going?

Look for something like eternal death, cast out from the presence of the Lord, condemned, eternal destruction.

You believe that there is such a thing as eternal death, I take it, but if so, eternal security is equally credible and Scriptural.

Neither means that one's final destination is set and irreversible once the person stumbles, falls, or doubts at any point during his life. Rather, it's that his eternal destination is set by his standing at the moment he passes to the next life.

 

[1an]

Yes eternal punishment/destruction are those who never had eternal life. duh

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Matthew 25:46
"These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Try Luke 9:62 and let me see what you make of it.
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[Jesus is YHWH]

Try Luke 9:62 and let me see what you make of it.
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Its not about Eternal Life. Let me know when you come up with a passage about Eternal Life. Thanks !

In the mean time I will not be holding my breath

 

[1an]

Its not about Eternal Life. Let me know when you come up with a passage about Eternal Life. Thanks !

In the mean time I will not be holding my breath

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Does that not mean anything to you? A good driver keeps their eyes on the road and a good Christian needs to keep their eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, otherwise there will be disaster.

So, what do you think will happen if they look back? Clue: Think of Lots wife, she looked back. (Genesis 19:26)

What will happen to a minister of the Gospel who looks back to his old life. This is a believer who will have been faithful for a number of years including Bible College etc. Answer: They are not fit for the kingdom of God. So much for eternal security! There is only one other place left for such people to go.

Albion is right, "his eternal destination is set by his standing at the moment he passes to the next life." Meaning, we have to remain faithful to the end. All the days of our life. No looking back and no licentiousness, never mind what OSAS says.
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[Mark Quayle]

Whatever label you want to give me, that is between you and the Lord. I am only a messenger of God's Word. I am nothing. Christ is everything. I am here to only present to you what His Word plainly says. If you believe it says something else, the burden proof is on you to show me that is what it says by His Word.

Not really. I could say the same thing you say here. Nevertheless, you have the burden of proof, if you claim to be the first to present the truth; I have only to refute what you claim.

Point A (confessing sins) is before one can meet Point B (He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins). Either way, one has to meet the condition of confessing sins in order to be forgiven.

Agreed. except confessing sins is only a logical "before", not a time "before", since the forgiveness is (as I keep trying to show you) indeed contingent on the confession. Your interpretation would have a driver who looks at a woman on the side of the road and consequently has a fatal wreck without time to confess his act of lust, or, more likely, a man who doesn't even realize the number and kinds of sin, rebellion, purposeful blindness, self-righteous anger, etc etc, and God never brings them to his full attention, so he never per item confesses them. Mine has the rest of Scripture to bear, in which the Spirit of God within the person constantly maintains the urge of confession, of agreeing with God that there is still sin within to work on. Calvinism admits to the need to, as Scripture repeats many times, constantly be putting the "old man", the flesh, to death.

I wouldn't be surprised if, from your point of view, you would find John Owen's quote a contradiction with other Calvinistic claims: "Be always at it whilst you live; cease not a day from this work; be killing sin or it will be killing you." And while you mull that over, keep in mind Christ says, "without me you can do nothing."

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Luke 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Does that not mean anything to you? A good driver keeps their eyes on the road and a good Christian needs to keep their eyes on the Lord Jesus Christ, otherwise there will be disaster.

So, what do you think will happen if they look back? Clue: Think of Lots wife, she looked back. (Genesis 19:26)

What will happen to a minister of the Gospel who looks back to his old life. This is a believer who will have been faithful for a number of years including Bible College etc. Answer: They are not fit for the kingdom of God. So much for eternal security! There is only one other place left for such people to go.

Albion is right, "his eternal destination is set by his standing at the moment he passes to the next life." Meaning, we have to remain faithful to the end. All the days of our life. No looking back and no licentiousness, never mind what OSAS says.
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Like I said you don't seem to be able to stay on topic with Eternal Life.

hmmmm I wonder why ?

and why would I believe something that is not true ?

Nowhere in the bible does a person with Eternal Life lose it. So why would I deny the truth and believe a lie ?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not really. I could say the same thing you say here. Nevertheless, you have the burden of proof, if you claim to be the first to present the truth; I have only to refute what you claim.



Agreed. except confessing sins is only a logical "before", not a time "before", since the forgiveness is (as I keep trying to show you) indeed contingent on the confession. Your interpretation would have a driver who looks at a woman on the side of the road and consequently has a fatal wreck without time to confess his act of lust, or, more likely, a man who doesn't even realize the number and kinds of sin, rebellion, purposeful blindness, self-righteous anger, etc etc, and God never brings them to his full attention, so he never per item confesses them. Mine has the rest of Scripture to bear, in which the Spirit of God within the person constantly maintains the urge of confession, of agreeing with God that there is still sin within to work on. Calvinism admits to the need to, as Scripture repeats many times, constantly be putting the "old man", the flesh, to death.

I wouldn't be surprised if, from your point of view, you would find John Owen's quote a contradiction with other Calvinistic claims: "Be always at it whilst you live; cease not a day from this work; be killing sin or it will be killing you." And while you mull that over, keep in mind Christ says, "without me you can do nothing."

Let’s again at the verse to show our readers that what you say is not true.

1 John 1:9 says, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”

First part of the verse is conditional and it says “if we confess our sins.” The second part says, “he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” The first part hinges on making the second part possible by the language used. For example: If Rick picks up the ringing phone, his friend will be able to talk with him in that moment. Another example: If the pastor says to Bob and Sarah, “I now pronounce you husband and wife” per their agreement to the marriage vows, they then become husband and wife. The first thing is conditioned upon the next thing being made possible.

 

[1an]

Like I said you don't seem to be able to stay on topic with Eternal Life.

hmmmm I wonder why ?

and why would I believe something that is not true ?

Nowhere in the bible does a person with Eternal Life lose it. So why would I deny the truth and believe a lie ?

Mat 5:13 Ye (believers) are the salt of the earth: but if the salt (believers) have lost their savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.

2Pe 2:21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, then, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22 It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Co 10:12 The backslider (people do backslide) in heart shall be filled with his own ways;

Zep 1:4-6 I will reach out to punish Judah and Jerusalem— nothing will remain of the god Baal; nothing will be remembered of his pagan priests. Not a trace will be found of those who worship stars from their rooftops, or bow down to the god Milcom, while claiming loyalty to me, the LORD. Nothing will remain of anyone who has turned away and rejected me. (Backslidden Judah)

Do you think the backslider has eternal life?

So much for eternal security.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Mat 5:13 Ye (believers) are the salt of the earth: but if the salt (believers) have lost their savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.

2Pe 2:21 For it were better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, then, after knowing it, to turn back from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

2Pe 2:22 It has happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog turning to his own vomit again, and the sow that had washed to wallowing in the mire. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1Co 10:12 The backslider (people do backslide) in heart shall be filled with his own ways;

Zep 1:4-6 I will reach out to punish Judah and Jerusalem— nothing will remain of the god Baal; nothing will be remembered of his pagan priests. Not a trace will be found of those who worship stars from their rooftops, or bow down to the god Milcom, while claiming loyalty to me, the LORD. Nothing will remain of anyone who has turned away and rejected me. (Backslidden Judah)

Do you think the backslider has eternal life?

Why would I since the bible never says those who have eternal life lose it.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Its only Jesus that saves us but if we live as a heretic then we are not a repentant believer. Once saved doesn't say you can continue to live a unrepentant life. If you live a life like that you are not a Jesus follower. You give up all claims as a Jesus follower if you are not a follower. Further if you live a life of sin Its obvious you could care less if you are saved or not. There's nothing to say that you can't forfeit your own salvation by practicing sin. We're talking people that live their lives for Jesus. Not those that do not believe.
We all have a choice and we can choose to give up our rights as a Christian which means we are no longer saved but that is our freewill, We make that choice. In that case they didn't lose it, They made the choice to give it up.

So when we're born, we live in a bad manner and this leads to death.

Are you saying that the life that God gives is not eternal in nature?

You said people who live their lives for Jesus.

I'm talking about those who are born again, for many will say - didn't I? yet Jesus never knew them.

 

[1an]

Why would I since the bible never says those who have eternal life lose it.

“For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame."

Believers like these who fall away, lose their eternal life.

They are not eternally secure.
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