The answer is in that video. Please watch it.... How does working at less than current minimum wage help anyone out of poverty, being that working a full-time job at minimum wage keeps a worker in poverty.
Don't those people deserve a chance to make more money? If 2x is good, why isn't 4x twice as good?
If increasing it is good, why is increasing it faster not good?
Answering a question with a question? I had hoped you would consider the actual impact of what I asked.
There are reasons to have a minimum wage, but they have little or nothing to do with benefiting poor people (as described in the above video with Dr. Thomas Sowell.)
He showed that the Labor Dept. has no interest in improving the lives of the poor people using a minimum wage.
There is more reason to think the minimum wage is motivated by racist intents than any intent to improve the circumstances of poor people.
Why do you think a minimum wage helps people who are not working? How does it help them get a job?
Eighty years ago, people were glad to get a job making a dollar a day. From that perspective, my grandfather told me that no one was worth $8 per hour! I guess he had heard something about that and was just itching to make his opinion known!
The answer is in that video. Please watch it.
Almost half of all black teenagers are unemployed. If they get any money, they have it given to them (typically government takes it from you and me, and gives it to the people they think should have it,) or they get it by illegal means. It is difficult to convince any black teen who chose the second method that $8/hr is better than $200/day, even when he is sitting in front of a judge and jury.
Are you recommending we go to $4.59 minimum wage ... so as to employ more people?The first federal minimum wage was established in 1933 at $0.25/hr, which is equivalent to about $4.59/hr today.
Are you recommending we go to $4.59 minimum wage ... so as to employ more people?
It seems like a fair question, given that the minimum wage (using Iluvatar's standard) has doubled in real world terms over the intervening years.I'm pretty sure you know that wasn't what iluvatar was saying...
The reason we should not make it $27 is the same reason it should not have been instituted or ever raised. My first minimum wage job was for a little over a $1/hr. I did not have any perspective at the time, but only saw the immediate effect of having a few extra pennies!!!Who suggested making the minimum wage $27 per hour (other than the person who just prior said we should do away with the minimum wage)?
Was just on the other side of that very thing with someone else. However, I have made the point of the video in my text. On the other hand, I am asked if I was asking a question!!! We can both do better...So you're saying that i can simply post links to support my position and not have to actually answer things myself? Here i am thinking we're having a discussion rather than link-wars.
We can discuss how to change that. It is a separate issue, though. Causing half of ANY group to be unemployed because of the gov.program that "promises" to help them is where the problem lies. Dr. Sowell (35 years ago) confronted someone asking a similar question about why you enter that discussion in the middle.And how will paying them less than $8/hour change this perspective?
Have you ever run a business? Do you think an $8 employee costs the employer $8/hr?...Businesses are confiscating the majority of productivity of workers as profits rather than paying that productivity back as wages...
It seems like a fair question, given that the minimum wage (using Iluvatar's standard) has doubled in real world terms over the intervening years.
Eighty years ago was 1935, which was in the middle of the depression. When adjusted for inflation, $1 in 1935 is equal to $17.42 today, or about 2.5 hours at today's federal minimum wage.
Are you recommending we go to $4.59 minimum wage ... so as to employ more people?
Let us start looking at what caused this (not slavery, not Jim Crow, etc.,) and address how to fix it. At the same time, let us NOT make more mistakes that cause more or worse situations like these!
Was just on the other side of that very thing with someone else. However, I have made the point of the video in my text. On the other hand, I am asked if I was asking a question!!! We can both do better...
We can discuss how to change that. It is a separate issue, though. Causing half of ANY group to be unemployed because of the gov.program that "promises" to help them is where the problem lies. Dr. Sowell (35 years ago) confronted someone asking a similar question about why you enter that discussion in the middle.
Let us start looking at what caused this (not slavery, not Jim Crow, etc.,) and address how to fix it. At the same time, let us NOT make more mistakes that cause more or worse situations like these!
Have you ever run a business? Do you think an $8 employee costs the employer $8/hr?
I worked in the engineering office for a small municipality for a number of years. It was proven by straight-up comparison (on more than one occasion) that I produced in a week what would cost that city what they paid me in a year to get an outside firm to do it. If someone making $8/hr. does not make a whole lot more for that employer than that $8, the employer may be looking to replace him!!!
Who suggested making the minimum wage $27 per hour (other than the person who just prior said we should do away with the minimum wage)?
I had asked a question, and had to ask it more than once. Had not been less than civil - was not really less than civil afterward!Other than the one post in which i responded to your video post, i've put forth discussion and answered your questions directly. I will strive to keep any negativity out of the discourse (i do realize that i tend to respond in kind when dealing with less than civil posters).
I had asked a question, and had to ask it more than once. Had not been less than civil - was not really less than civil afterward!
One learns to do things working on the job. (On-the-job training is focused, specific, intense and typically more useful than any classroom setting could be.) He learns things valuable to his future. I have worked for HALF what I could have made at an unskilled job, learned many things, and been able to do many things I was not able before, nor was I likely to learn all those things working the other unskilled job, making twice as much.... How does working at less than current minimum wage help anyone out of poverty, being that working a full-time job at minimum wage keeps a worker in poverty?
Did not say they were, but that was not a good way to respond to a direct question about the minimum wage. If $15 is good for people who do not have any skills, why is $27 not better? The young and inexperienced could afford more things, and pay this terribly high cost they will bear as young people in America. It is because they are now expected (by the wording of the PP&ACA) to pay for Health Insurance that is intended to supplement old people and sick people! You simply asked who was asking a question I had just asked.I am unsure how any of my posts to you were less than civil...
Did not say they were, but that was not a good way to respond to a direct question about the minimum wage. If $15 is good for people who do not have any skills, why is $27 not better? The young and inexperienced could afford more things, and pay this terribly high cost they will bear as young people in America. It is because they are now expected (by the wording of the PP&ACA) to pay for Health Insurance that is intended to supplement old people and sick people! You simply asked who was asking a question I had just asked.
Mr Williams ignores the decades of Jim Crow laws, the fact that even menial jobs now expect some level of education (that black teens have less of relative to white teens) and the fact that poor finances affect marriage stability more than marriage instability affects finances.
Maybe poverty manifests itself today differently than it did a century ago. Maybe it manifests itself differently in urban areas than in rural areas. But when you spend generations forcing a segment of the population into poverty (which is what our nation did, and continues to do on a more limited scale), it's not really fair to blame them for living in ghettos.
That was a good movie!If you need more explanation, watch the movie, "Gran Torino." I do not suggest it for anything other than the main plot. There is a fellow who, not being a black youth, faced the same challenges in this world that a black male his age would face. It is a cultural problem. Though the two cultures are very different, they produce many of the same problems.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1205489/?ref_=fn_tt_tt_1
The bad language is a bit difficult to take, but there is a good story in there...
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