• Starting today August 7th, 2024, in order to post in the Married Couples, Courting Couples, or Singles forums, you will not be allowed to post if you have your Marital status designated as private. Announcements will be made in the respective forums as well but please note that if yours is currently listed as Private, you will need to submit a ticket in the Support Area to have yours changed.

Why Japan, China, and most of the world is in big demographic trouble (but the U.S. is not)

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Worked in that case. Reducing crime in specific countries also decreased refugees from that country. Go figure.

You didn't cite any case in the post I replied to.

What case were you referring to?



We're sending billions to these nations and they're sending record numbers of their poor uneducated people....illegally.

You're just wrong....and part of the problem. You keep poor and struggling marginalized communities in poverty, and they are starting to realize it.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Sure, schrodinger's immigrant, at once taking all our jobs and living lavishly off programs they don't have access to.

I'd like to tell you for certain that they can't access such programs, but they often can by having a child here (or forging as birth certificate) and applying for benefits in the name of the child.

It's hard to say exactly how much fraud is happening...but if you think someone in some department is keeping a close eye on this stuff...consider how easily covid relief funds were stolen.

Edit- also, some states actually do allow illegals to draw welfare benefits...crazy as it may sound.
 
Last edited:
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
So, for example, Texas found that illegals were adding $17 billion to the state economy over a decade ago.
According to the republican comptroller of Texas. And she has the data to back it up.

I don't think anyone takes your ancient cherry picked study seriously.

You can quote it if you want, but more illegals have entered under Biden in 3 years than both administrations before him. It's not a remotely similar situation. It's a crisis.


Doesn't matter. She has way more credibility than you do. Sorry.

Only to you.



Actually, New York provides more money to the federal government than it gets back in aid. They put in about $1.00 for every 74 cents they get back. Thought you knew.

Then explain why they suddenly need 12 billion in federal aid and had to cut basic services because of the illegals clogging their streets?

Living in the past is a sad excuse for ignoring today's problems.






As you just learned, illegal aliens make up a large portion of the state's essential workers. Turns out, New York would be sending less welfare payments to red states, if the illegals weren't working.

Essential workers are just jobs you can't export....that's why they're "essential".

And the illegals aren't working.



I'd be an American.

But you don't believe that. You don't believe it's so easy to make it in this nation that you can arrive here with nothing, no real education, and unable to speak the language and contribute economically.

You think it's hard to make it here even if you're born here, and have a college degree.


I just showed you that it's true. C'mon.

I don't know why you think an article that contradicts itself is convincing but I'd call it intellectual dishonesty...without the intellectual part.


For the same reason they have always come. To get jobs and take part in the American Dream.

That's not a reason for asylum.


Even Trump's own FBI director admitted that the real terrorist problem is home-grown right wing terrorists. We know that illegal immigrants as a group tend to be more law-abiding than native-born Americans. Want me to show you, again?


The number of actual terrorists (not the January 6th kind, the 9/11 kind) who crossed the border illegally under Biden is greater than the combined total of the past 20 years. That's just in the millions apprehended, we're unsure of how many are in the millions who weren't apprehended.

The head of DHS couldn't say for certain the terrorists apprehended were even deported. He literally has no idea if they were detained, deported, or released into the US. This administration is a joke and will cost lives.



 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
In 2019, 286,248 native‐born Americans, 14,010 illegal immigrants, and 15,692 legal immigrants were convicted of crimes in Texas. Thus, 1,190 natives were convicted for every 100,000 natives, 749 illegal immigrants for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, and 510 legal immigrants for every 100,000 legal immigrants (Figure 1). As a percentage of their respective populations, illegal immigrants were more than 37.1 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native‐born Americans. Legal immigrants were about 57.2 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native‐born Americans.
View attachment 340129

Illegals report crimes less since they fear deportations.

Flawed study.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Worked in that case. Reducing crime in specific countries also decreased refugees from that country. Go figure.

I'll tell you what @The Barbarian, if you can give me one logical or rational reason why we shouldn't bother controlling who is allowed into our country legally...I'll just go away and let you have your propaganda thread.

Just one, and before you pull up your ancient study claiming that illegals contribute more than they take....I'll just point out there is absolutely no reason we cannot increase work visas and vet immigrants coming legally. There's no upper limit on work visas.

So just give me one logical or rational reason. I don't care about your bleeding heart morality. Give a reason that rationally makes sense, just one.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
I'll tell you what @The Barbarian, if you can give me one logical or rational reason why we shouldn't bother controlling who is allowed into our country legally...
You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or with the founders of this country. They didn't bother controlling the borders. I don't know if they taught American history in your schools, but we didn't have immigration control until the early 1900s.

If you were paying attention, I suggested the "wink, wink" attitude of politicians and big corporations about illegal immigration is a bad situation. We need a legal path to get the workers we need.

Just one, and before you pull up your ancient study claiming that illegals contribute more than they take...
The study was done 18 years ago. Democrats are asking to have it updated, but republicans are doing their best to stop that, for reasons you clearly understand. It's going to be a much, much bigger number than the mere $17 billion a year the state was making on illegal aliens back then.

So just give me one logical or rational reason. I don't care about your bleeding heart morality.
I just showed you perfectly good economic reasons why illegal aliens are critical to the health of our economy. I can see that the facts are getting you frustrated, and you're starting to get more and more shrill as you try to deal with them. Here's a hint:

When someone posts things that make me irritated, I stop what I'm doing, get an iced tea, play with the dog and then go back and write a reply. It could save you a lot of embarrassment. Worth a try?
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
The Barbarian said:

In 2019, 286,248 native‐born Americans, 14,010 illegal immigrants, and 15,692 legal immigrants were convicted of crimes in Texas. Thus, 1,190 natives were convicted for every 100,000 natives, 749 illegal immigrants for every 100,000 illegal immigrants, and 510 legal immigrants for every 100,000 legal immigrants (Figure 1). As a percentage of their respective populations, illegal immigrants were more than 37.1 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native‐born Americans. Legal immigrants were about 57.2 percent less likely to be convicted of a crime than native‐born Americans.
View attachment 340129
https://www.cato.org/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-2019#convictions

Illegals report crimes less since they fear deportations.
Criminals, both illegal aliens and American citizens, rarely report crimes they do. Which if you had thought about it, is understandable. However, the victims of such criminals often do report them. Which explains the numbers we see. But I can see where you were confused about that. Flawed assumption on your part.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or with the founders of this country. They didn't bother controlling the borders.

They couldn't, nor would they consider the issue, as it wasn't easy for such large numbers to travel such distances so quickly.

If you were paying attention, I suggested the "wink, wink" attitude of politicians and big corporations about illegal immigration is a bad situation.

Then why are you adopting their position? If you aren't hitting on me, stop winking. If you're hitting on me, I'm flattered but not interested.


We need a legal path to get the workers we need.

We have one.



I just showed you perfectly good economic reasons why illegal aliens are critical to the health of our economy.

No, I can just as easily point to studies done by researchers....not comptrollers seeking reelection lol.

If we definitely need immigrant workers, there's no reason they cannot apply for such work legally.



When someone posts things that make me irritated, I stop what I'm doing, get an iced tea, play with the dog and then go back and write a reply. It could save you a lot of embarrassment. Worth a try?

You failed to produce even one rational argument for illegal immigrants. I think the point is well made.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
The Barbarian said:


Criminals, both illegal aliens and American citizens, rarely report crimes they do. Which if you had thought about it, is understandable. However, the victims of such criminals often do report them. Which explains the numbers we see. But I can see where you were confused about that. Flawed assumption on your part.

Illegal victims are less likely to report crimes...and 100% of illegals in the US are breaking the law any time they lie and say they are legal even to work, not to mention crossing the border.

I don't know who exactly you're trying to convince. Everyone knows if they're better or worse off....and across the board, everyone's dollar buys less. The millions of poor flooding the nation has not helped at all.

Keep claiming otherwise though.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
I don't think anyone takes your ancient cherry picked study seriously.
Turns out, reality doesn't care what anyone thinks. Sorry about that.

You can quote it if you want, but more illegals have entered under Biden in 3 years than both administrations before him.
The bottom dropped out during the COVID epidemic, because economic activity took a huge hit. But that really doesn't affect the fact that our economy gets a huge boost from workers here illegally.

And the illegals aren't working.
No, you're completely wrong about that. Ten to twelve million of them, depending on whose estimate you believe:

But you don't believe that. You don't believe it's so easy to make it in this nation that you can arrive here with nothing, no real education, and unable to speak the language and contribute economically.
I taught many kids whose parents did exactly that. I know many of them. Not to be rude, but you don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know why you think an article that contradicts itself
In reasonable journalism, the author will often cite a dissenting opinion, as the author of that article did. Maybe that's not allowed where you come from...

Undocumented workers come here for the same reason they have always come. To get jobs and take part in the American Dream.

That's not a reason for asylum.
It's a reason to figure out a legal way to make that work without damaging the benefits our country gets from their labor.

(Border patrol caught 169 people on terrorist watch list)

Less than the number of terrorists in the Jan 6 insurrection, all of them homegrown. And you should probably know that the vast majority of people on the terrorist watch list are not terrorists...

The TSDB is overseen by the FBI Terrorist Screening Center. It was created after the September 11 attacks.[1] A 2007 report by the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General stated that the TSDB, as the "U.S. Government's consolidated terrorist watchlist" contained "basic biographical information on known or appropriately suspected domestic and international terrorists" and that "the underlying derogatory information on individuals nominated for inclusion in the TSDB must demonstrate a reasonable suspicion of ties to terrorism."[2] The main source of names for the TSDB is the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), a database that as of 2013, contained between 700,000[3] and 1.1 million names.[4]
Terrorist Screening Database - Wikipedia

The number of actual terrorists (not the January 6th kind, the 9/11 kind) who crossed the border illegally under Biden is greater than the combined total of the past 20 years.
Not one of them was indicted for an act of terrorism. (Barbarian checks)

As of September12...

Some 378 individuals have been sentenced to periods of incarceration over their involvement in the January 6, 2021, uprising at the U.S. Capitol in the 32 months since the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election certification took place, the District of Columbia's attorney's office said on Wednesday.

This is why Trump's own FBI director admitted that the major terrorist threat to America was far-right Americans.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
You seem to be arguing with yourself. Or with the founders of this country. They didn't bother controlling the borders.

They couldn't,
Since almost everyone came in on ships, wouldn't be hard. They just didn't worry about it.

If you were paying attention, I suggested the "wink, wink" attitude of politicians and big corporations about illegal immigration is a bad situation.
Then why are you adopting their position?
If you think that's "adopting their position", we've located your problem. It is possible that English is not your first language?

We need a legal path to get the workers we need.

We have one.
We did, in in the 1960s. Ironically, the leftists were opposed to it, and the far right was endorsing it. A form of limited amnesty. Reagan, for example, liked it.

I just showed you perfectly good economic reasons why illegal aliens are critical to the health of our economy.

No, I can just as easily point to studies done by researchers....not comptrollers seeking reelection lol.
But you can't actually put them up here? I think I know why.

(regarding intemperate venting about "propaganda" and "bleeding-heart")

When someone posts things that make me irritated, I stop what I'm doing, get an iced tea, play with the dog and then go back and write a reply. It could save you a lot of embarrassment. Worth a try?

You failed to produce even one rational argument for illegal immigrants.
Everyone can read and figure out if that's true. See, if you had taken a little time to think, you'd have known better.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
Turns out, reality doesn't care what anyone thinks. Sorry about that.

Indeed.

That's funny. We both know why you're picking a study too old to be relevant to cite.


Because every major city dealing with the influx of new poor is begging for billions in aid. We can all see it.


The bottom dropped out during the COVID epidemic, because economic activity took a huge hit.

And Biden overprinted money, drove inflation up, kept wages down by allowing millions of illegals in.

I bet the corporate billionaires love him. He's almost single-handedly finished off the middle class.



I taught many kids whose parents did exactly that. I know many of them. Not to be rude, but you don't know what you're talking about.

If you're talking about 17 years ago...I don't care.


In reasonable journalism, the author will often cite a dissenting opinion, as the author of that article did. Maybe that's not allowed where you come from...

It's reelection pandering without any data.

Undocumented workers come here for the same reason they have always come. To get jobs and take part in the American Dream.

Again, I don't care about moral reasons. I understand you think it makes you a good person to take this position, but it doesn't.


It's a reason to figure out a legal way to make that work without damaging the benefits our country gets from their labor.

If we were benefitting, cities wouldn't be begging for billions in aid. A point you continue to ignore repeatedly because it doesn't fit your rhetoric.


(Border patrol caught 169 people on terrorist watch list)

Right. Do you understand how you get on those lists? It's not easy.


Less than the number of terrorists in the Jan 6 insurrection, all of them homegrown. And you should probably know that the vast majority of people on the terrorist watch list are not terroriseast.

This clearly a joke.


The TSDB is overseen by the FBI Terrorist Screening Center. It was created after the September 11 attacks.[1] A 2007 report by the U.S. Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General stated that the TSDB, as the "U.S. Government's consolidated terrorist watchlist" contained "basic biographical information on known or appropriately suspected domestic and international terrorists" and that "the underlying derogatory information on individuals nominated for inclusion in the TSDB must demonstrate a reasonable suspicion of ties to terrorism."[2] The main source of names for the TSDB is the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), a database that as of 2013, contained between 700,000[3] and 1.1 million names.[4]
Terrorist Screening Database - Wikipedia


Not one of them was indicted for an act of terrorism. (Barbarian checks)

Oh wow....more ancient data.


As of September12...

Some 378 individuals have been sentenced to periods of incarceration over their involvement in the January 6, 2021, uprising at the U.S. Capitol in the 32 months since the attempted overthrow of the 2020 election certification took place, the District of Columbia's attorney's office said on Wednesday.

This is why Trump's own FBI director admitted that the major terrorist threat to America was far-right Americans.

That was true under Trump. He had a much better handle on the problem. Biden has open borders....and actual terrorists are crossing them. Boston bomber types, Orlando massacre types....not mere protesters that get out of hand.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
That's funny. We both know why you're picking a study too old to be relevant to cite.
I put up another, nationwide study. It still works the same way. Why would you imagine it wouldn't?


In reasonable journalism, the author will often cite a dissenting opinion, as the author of that article did. Maybe that's not allowed where you come from...
It's reelection pandering without any data.
Strayhorn documented all of her findings. And she didn't run for re-election. It was, after all, something the ruling party didn't want to hear.

How to get on the terrorist watch list:
The Justice Department's Office of Inspector General has criticized the list for frequent errors and slow response to complaints. An audit by the Office of Inspector General found that 38% of a 105 record sample contained inaccuracies.[13] The Federal Bureau of Investigation has said it is redressing errors

Do you understand how you get on those lists?
A little over 1/3 of the time, someone just messed up. That doesn't seem very hard to me.
That was true under Trump. He had a much better handle on the problem. Biden has open borders....
You just said that he apprehended over a hundred people on the terrorist watch list. And he's caught tens of thousands more. Try to keep your claims consistent. Makes you seem like like you're serious about the stuff you post.

Less than the number of terrorists in the Jan 6 insurrection, all of them homegrown. And you should probably know that the vast majority of people on the terrorist watch list are not terrorists.

This clearly a joke.
In English, you should put a verb after "this." Some other languages don't. Perhaps you're familiar with one of them.

(mentions that terrorist watch list dates from 2007)

Oh wow....more ancient data.

Are you even reading the links?

This is why Trump's own FBI director admitted that the major terrorist threat to America was far-right Americans.

That was true under Trump.
It wasn't all Trump's fault. He merely incited them. They were there before he was president.

He had a much better handle on the problem.
For which he now has multiple felony indictments and will shortly be tried for his role in the insurrection and the attempt to overturn the election.

and actual terrorists are crossing them. Boston bomber types, Orlando massacre types..
Those guys were legal residents. You seem to have made my argument for me. BTW, most massacres in the United States in recent years have been by extreme right racists.

Undocumented workers come here for the same reason they have always come. To get jobs and take part in the American Dream.

Again, I don't care about moral reasons.
It's not moral; it's practical. They come here because they believe that they can become successful if they work hard. No morality involved.
I understand you think it makes you a good person to take this position, but it doesn't.
It merely makes me a realist. Why do you think they come here?
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
I put up another, nationwide study. It still works the same way. Why would you imagine it wouldn't?


Perfect. From your link above...

Model results suggested that wages would rise for U.S.-born and other permanent resident workers, relative to the base forecast, in some lower paying occupations where unauthorized workers are common, decrease slightly in many higher paying occupations, and decrease on average.

So even in a fantasy scenario where we magically wave a wand and they all return home....the poor in the US get wealthier, and the rich get poorer....because the illegals stop holding down wages at the bottom.

Ty for proving my point.



 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
So even in a fantasy scenario where we magically wave a wand and they all return home....the poor in the US get wealthier, and the rich get poorer....because the illegals stop holding down wages at the bottom.
and decrease on average.
So the average worker would see a decrease in his income. Thanks for conceding that for me.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
So the average worker would see a decrease in his income.

In a fantasy scenario where they disappear overnight and production decreases? Who cares. It can't happen that quickly.

The central point of illegal immigrants hurting the wages of US citizens in poverty is clearly true....despite your repeated denials.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
In a fantasy scenario where they disappear overnight and production decreases? Who cares. It can't happen that quickly.
It's not happening to China quickly. That's how demographics works. But the fact is, the United States would be poorer and unable to maintain our standard of living, even if all the illegal aliens left over a period of years.

Russia is seeing that going on right now, as productive people fled the country, leaving old and unproductive people behind.
A DEMOGRAPHIC TRAGEDY is unfolding in Russia. Over the past three years the country has lost around 2m more people than it would ordinarily have done, as a result of war, disease and exodus. The life expectancy of Russian males aged 15 fell by almost five years, to the same level as in Haiti. The number of Russians born in April 2022 was no higher than it had been in the months of Hitler’s occupation. And because so many men of fighting age are dead or in exile, women now outnumber men by at least 10m.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: USincognito
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
It's not happening to China quickly. That's how demographics works.

I'm not sure what sort of problems you believe China is having, but I doubt they are having them. They are losing productivity...as they lose workers....and the factories that Chinese workers used to jump from the roofs of are moving overseas. Chinese workers are earning more money now, and that's a good thing for them.
 
Upvote 0

The Barbarian

Crabby Old White Guy
Apr 3, 2003
29,769
13,306
78
✟441,750.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Libertarian
'm not sure what sort of problems you believe China is having,
The Wall Street Journal reports that the number of newborns in China fell to an historic low last year, despite the government’s emphasis on raising the fertility rate. This leads many to ask, “Will China survive demographic winter?”

Ruth Institute Communications Director Don Feder said, “Having spent decades using the most draconian methods to limit population growth, including forced abortions, Beijing is now desperate to increase fertility.”

Last year, China recorded 10.62 million births, down from 12.02 million in 2020. Births barely exceeded the number of deaths (10.14 million). Feder remarked, “Sometime in the next few years, China’s population will start to fall. Once that happens, descent could become rapid.”

Replacement fertility is 2.1. In 2020, China’s fertility rate was 1.3, one of the lowest in the world. Feder warned, “Demographers say that once a nation’s total fertility rate goes below 1.3, recovery is impossible.”

He further noted: “The proportion of China’s population over 60 is now 18.9%. That’s expected to more than double to 39% by 2050. What will the People’s Republic do when pensions for the elderly exceed taxes paid by workers? The nation is already experiencing a labor shortage.”

The regime is trying to address this by such policies as making it harder to get a vasectomy. Some hospitals refuse to perform the procedure unless the patient can prove he’s married and has children.

Local governments have offered longer maternity leaves and are organizing matchmaking events. The latter will be hampered by the fact that, due to decades of the one-child policy and the traditional Chinese preference for male children, among 20-to 40-year-olds, men now outnumber women by 17.5 million.

Feder observed, “Beijing crippled its birthrate with its hideous one-child policy. But every industrialized nation is grappling with falling fertility. Elderly populations are rising while the number of young workers is falling. Who will do society’s vital work in a nation where fewer and fewer are born each year?”

Ruth Institute President Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, Ph.D., added, “We at the Ruth Institute take this very seriously. For the past two years, we’ve had a speaker on Demographic Winter at our annual Summit for Survivors of the Sexual Revolution. Last year, we launched our Demographic Winter Resource Center. We invite everyone to check out this resource and educate themselves on a growing worldwide problem.


Chinese workers are earning more money now, and that's a good thing for them.
As you learned, prosperity results in a decrease in fertility. And with China's former population control edicts they left themselves in a terrible dilemma. This is why the Chinese government is frantically trying to patch together a solution that won't require major reforms in the way their dictatorship controls China.
 
Upvote 0

Ana the Ist

Aggressively serene!
Feb 21, 2012
39,990
12,573
✟487,130.00
Country
United States
Gender
Male
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Married
The Wall Street Journal reports that the number of newborns in China fell to an historic low last year, despite the government’s emphasis on raising the fertility rate. This leads many to ask, “Will China survive demographic winter?”

Ruth Institute Communications Director Don Feder said, “Having spent decades using the most draconian methods to limit population growth, including forced abortions, Beijing is now desperate to increase fertility.”

Last year, China recorded 10.62 million births, down from 12.02 million in 2020. Births barely exceeded the number of deaths (10.14 million). Feder remarked, “Sometime in the next few years, China’s population will start to fall. Once that happens, descent could become rapid.”

Replacement fertility is 2.1. In 2020, China’s fertility rate was 1.3, one of the lowest in the world. Feder warned, “Demographers say that once a nation’s total fertility rate goes below 1.3, recovery is impossible.”

He further noted: “The proportion of China’s population over 60 is now 18.9%. That’s expected to more than double to 39% by 2050. What will the People’s Republic do when pensions for the elderly exceed taxes paid by workers? The nation is already experiencing a labor shortage.”

The regime is trying to address this by such policies as making it harder to get a vasectomy. Some hospitals refuse to perform the procedure unless the patient can prove he’s married and has children.

Local governments have offered longer maternity leaves and are organizing matchmaking events. The latter will be hampered by the fact that, due to decades of the one-child policy and the traditional Chinese preference for male children, among 20-to 40-year-olds, men now outnumber women by 17.5 million.

Feder observed, “Beijing crippled its birthrate with its hideous one-child policy. But every industrialized nation is grappling with falling fertility. Elderly populations are rising while the number of young workers is falling. Who will do society’s vital work in a nation where fewer and fewer are born each year?”

Ruth Institute President Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse, Ph.D., added, “We at the Ruth Institute take this very seriously. For the past two years, we’ve had a speaker on Demographic Winter at our annual Summit for Survivors of the Sexual Revolution. Last year, we launched our Demographic Winter Resource Center. We invite everyone to check out this resource and educate themselves on a growing worldwide problem.



As you learned, prosperity results in a decrease in fertility. And with China's former population control edicts they left themselves in a terrible dilemma. This is why the Chinese government is frantically trying to patch together a solution that won't require major reforms in the way their dictatorship controls China.

Most of China’s difficulties as a nation derive from overpopulation.

I'm not entirely certain what they think the problem is but I'll just explain....China won't have any problems with the elderly population.

They'll die. China won't care for them. They'll just let them die hungry, cold, without power or heat, without food, or whatever.

It's not as if people have rights in China.

Anything else?
 
Upvote 0