Walt Brown and the Hydroplate theory.

[Justatruthseeker]

The geologists came up clueless because there was no global flood, and so no clues

Again, that's what they claimed about Harlen Bretz too, that there was no evidence supporting a catastrophic formation of the Washington Scablands.


J Harlen Bretz - Wikipedia

"Bretz encountered resistance to his theories from the geology establishment of the day. The geology establishment was resistant to such a sweeping theory for the origin of a broad landscape for a variety of reasons, including lack of familiarity with the remote areas of the interior Pacific Northwest where the research was based, and the lack of status and reputation of Bretz in the eyes of the largely Ivy League-based geology elites. Furthermore, his theory implied the potential possibilities of a Biblical flood, which the scientific community strongly rejected."

And here they are, spouting the same old arguments over and over that have already been shown to be wrong.....

Just that you all are so against it without any actual evidence or even understanding the theory lends more support to it than your sad attempts at denial do....

 

[Astrophile]

Again, that's what they claimed about Harlen Bretz too, that there was no evidence supporting a catastrophic formation of the Washington Scablands.


J Harlen Bretz - Wikipedia

"Bretz encountered resistance to his theories from the geology establishment of the day. The geology establishment was resistant to such a sweeping theory for the origin of a broad landscape for a variety of reasons, including lack of familiarity with the remote areas of the interior Pacific Northwest where the research was based, and the lack of status and reputation of Bretz in the eyes of the largely Ivy League-based geology elites. Furthermore, his theory implied the potential possibilities of a Biblical flood, which the scientific community strongly rejected."

And here they are, spouting the same old arguments over and over that have already been shown to be wrong.....

Just that you all are so against it without any actual evidence or even understanding the theory lends more support to it than your sad attempts at denial do....

If there had been a worldwide flood, the landforms and sediments characteristic of the Washington Scablands would occur all over the world, not just in the northwestern United States.

 

[pitabread]

people haven't crunched anything, which is why your assertions have no citations backing them up......

Is your Google broken?

Here, let me help you: "Walt Brown Debunked"

(The first two links alone do a pretty good job.)

 

[tas8831]

So our Walt Brown acolyte plagiarized a big chunk of a page from Barry Setterfield's website, I exposed and reported it, and both the plagiarism and my exposure of it have been deleted. So, watch this one - we may have another typical creationist here...

Actually the reverse, since Barry fought against Walt for years against the Hydroplate theory and supported the Changing speed of light theory.

Not sure that you followed what I wrote - Cv5, who hawks Brown's work (i.e., "our Walt Brown acolyte"), made a long post that I discovered to have been a lengthy copy-paste from Barry Setterfield's website. I made a post pointing this out, and I also reported it to the admin. A while later, both Cv5's plagiarism post and my 'outing' of it had been deleted.
I made no mention of Brown v. Setterfield, or that Setterfield plagiarized Brown, or whatever.

Looks like your reading comprehension is shining through again.

 

[Jimmy D]

Again, that's what they claimed about Harlen Bretz too, that there was no evidence supporting a catastrophic formation of the Washington Scablands.


J Harlen Bretz - Wikipedia

"Bretz encountered resistance to his theories from the geology establishment of the day. The geology establishment was resistant to such a sweeping theory for the origin of a broad landscape for a variety of reasons, including lack of familiarity with the remote areas of the interior Pacific Northwest where the research was based, and the lack of status and reputation of Bretz in the eyes of the largely Ivy League-based geology elites. Furthermore, his theory implied the potential possibilities of a Biblical flood, which the scientific community strongly rejected."

And if we read on......

"Both Pardee and Bretz continued their research over the next 30 years, collecting and analyzing evidence that eventually identified Lake Missoula as the source of the Spokane Floods and creator of the Channeled Scablands. "

So we can see that unorthodox or unpopular ideas can win through if they are justified by evidence... and that he didn't discover evidence of a global flood.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If there had been a worldwide flood, the landforms and sediments characteristic of the Washington Scablands would occur all over the world, not just in the northwestern United States.

Sigh. the scablands, just like the Grand Canyon were not caused directly by the flood, but by events AFTER the flood and the conditions of the local environment AFTER the flood.....

Conditions must be right to form these type of landscapes... and your slow river cutting theory fails miserably.....

Not that I expect anyone to actually take the time to learn something....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

And if we read on......

"Both Pardee and Bretz continued their research over the next 30 years, collecting and analyzing evidence that eventually identified Lake Missoula as the source of the Spokane Floods and creator of the Channeled Scablands. "

So we can see that unorthodox or unpopular ideas can win through if they are justified by evidence... and that he didn't discover evidence of a global flood.

Sure he did, that's how those gigantic lakes got there...... And the sediment was partially hydrated with flood waters still. just like the grand canyon formation...

Actually take the time to learn and you might actually learn something that fits better than your sad slow river cutting theory that leaves the rocks it cuts through jagged instead of smoothed.....

 

[Astrophile]

Sigh. the scablands, just like the Grand Canyon were not caused directly by the flood, but by events AFTER the flood and the conditions of the local environment AFTER the flood.....

Conditions must be right to form these type of landscapes... and your slow river cutting theory fails miserably.....

Not that I expect anyone to actually take the time to learn something....

So what were the right conditions to form the scablands after the supposed flood, and why didn't these conditions occur anywhere else?

 

[Markstrimaran]

Hi new guy here. Just checking out the site.
I have 3 questions.
1. Is the nation of Israel relevan today?
2. Is the 6 day creation literal?
3. Can a person have a very close relationship with GOD?

Sorry about bumping the thread, but Geology is a specialized area of interest for me. I am amazed about how hydrogen can morph into all the other elements. Yet scientists have been unsuccessful in turning lead into gold since the dawn of the reformation.

 

[Speedwell]

Hi new guy here. Just checking out the site.
I have 3 questions.
1. Is the nation of Israel relevan today?
2. Is the 6 day creation literal?
3. Can a person have a very close relationship with GOD?

Sorry about bumping the thread, but Geology is a specialized area of interest for me. I am amazed about how hydrogen can morph into all the other elements. Yet scientists have been unsuccessful in turning lead into gold since the dawn of the reformation.

It can be done, but it is ruinously expensive and so not worth the trouble.

 

[Markstrimaran]

Can't be worse than growing corn, just to make ethanol. When it's almost free to pump fuel out of the ground.

 

[Speedwell]

Can't be worse than growing corn, just to make ethanol. When it's almost free to pump fuel out of the ground.

But there are no special interests with the clout of big agribiz to benefit from making lead into gold.

 

[Markstrimaran]

I need to see the philosophers stone for myself. Smashing atoms is such a brutal way of doing science. The amount of gold is invisible. To all except a the privileged few. The CERN shiva statue worries me.

 

[Ophiolite]

Hi new guy here. Just checking out the site.
I have 3 questions.
1. Is the nation of Israel relevan today?
2. Is the 6 day creation literal?
3. Can a person have a very close relationship with GOD?

Sorry about bumping the thread, but Geology is a specialized area of interest for me. I am amazed about how hydrogen can morph into all the other elements. Yet scientists have been unsuccessful in turning lead into gold since the dawn of the reformation.

Incorrect. Glen Seaborg did this back in 1980. See this Wikipedia article.

Your three questions have nothing to do with Hydroplate theory, so this probably wasn't the ideal place to post your thoughts. You might want to ask the questions outwith the science section and perhaps start a thread on the transmutation of elements here. Just a thought.

 

[Markstrimaran]

Thanks for the alchemy knowledge. The particle smasher once intersted me. Until it went off in search of Bosons and Dark energy. It would have been really interesting if the particle accelerator could have continued. Perhaps producing gold from hydrogen atoms.
My 3 questions still stand unanswered.
Such simple questions. I am the newbie. I prefer to know if the philosophical positions of others are similar.

 

[Astrophile]

Hi new guy here. Just checking out the site.
Sorry about bumping the thread, but Geology is a specialized area of interest for me. I am amazed about how hydrogen can morph into all the other elements. Yet scientists have been unsuccessful in turning lead into gold since the dawn of the reformation.

It needs temperatures of >10^7 K and pressures of about 10^16 pascals (N/m²) for hydrogen even to fuse into helium; the cores of stars can reach these temperatures and pressures, but even the smallest stars are 25,000 times as massive as the Earth. Making gold requires the extreme conditions of a supernova or a collision between two neutron stars, with T ~ 5×10^9 K; perhaps this will help you to understand why scientists can't make gold in laboratories

 

[Markstrimaran]

It demonstrates the almighty power of GOD.
I view all of the elements other than a few radio active isotopes as part of special creation.
I there for have a problem with consensus science belief in the original origin of the cosmos. As being highly speculative and the quantum physics is just a overly educated guess.

My one thought you might be able to answer. In a nuclear reaction, what keeps the sun from burning its self out exponentially, as more and more atoms are being split.

 

[Astrophile]

It demonstrates the almighty power of GOD.
I view all of the elements other than a few radio active isotopes as part of special creation.
I there for have a problem with consensus science belief in the original origin of the cosmos. As being highly speculative and the quantum physics is just a overly educated guess.

My one thought you might be able to answer. In a nuclear reaction, what keeps the sun from burning its self out exponentially, as more and more atoms are being split?

First, the Sun generates energy by fusing protons (hydrogen nuclei) into helium nuclei, not by splitting atoms. Second, and more interestingly, if the interior of the Sun or any star were to become too hot, so that the nuclear reaction rates increased exponentially, the star would expand and cool, thereby reducing the rate of the nuclear reactions. As a result, the nuclear reaction rates remain stable.

 

[Markstrimaran]

Thanks for the clarification of fusion vs fission. I remember a while back cold fusion was a hope of getting rid of the nuclear power plants.

The cooling as it expands part. Is hard to digest. I am aware of Boyle's law. The ideal gas laws. As a gas is compressed it generates heat, and vise versa.
There is nothing in the vacuum of space to contain it. Which it's only fail safe is the gravitational pull created from Helium. The stuff balloons are filled with.
The sun is huge I agree, but the violence and plasma ejections on the surface don't seam to be effected much by its huge gravitational pull. That keeps the solar system in balance. Something else is occurring. I am not sure just what, but electrical arcs top the list.

 

[Ophiolite]

The cooling as it expands part. Is hard to digest. I am aware of Boyle's law. The ideal gas laws. As a gas is compressed it generates heat, and vise versa.

No. The amount of heat remains the same, but since that is now contained in a smaller volume the temperature is necessarily higher.

There is nothing in the vacuum of space to contain it. Which it's only fail safe is the gravitational pull created from Helium. The stuff balloons are filled with.

If the "it" you are speaking of is the sun, that is held together by the gravitational pull of all its constituent atoms, not just the helium. The use of the phrase "fail safe" in this context makes no sense at all.

The sun is huge I agree, but the violence and plasma ejections on the surface don't seam to be effected much by its huge gravitational pull.

No. Incorrect. The majority of the plasma ejected in solar flares is pulled back to the main body of the sun.

That keeps the solar system in balance. Something else is occurring. I am not sure just what, but electrical arcs top the list.

With respect, your grasp of basic astronomy is such that I don't think it is wise for you be making wold guesses. Tens of thousands of scientists have spent a few centuries working out what is happening. It would make sense to listen to what they say.