Walt Brown and the Hydroplate theory.

[Justatruthseeker]

By the first geologists like Adam Sedgwick. They went looking for evidence for the Flood, but the more they investigated the more they realized that what they observed falsified the Flood.

Hmmm, that's what they said about Harlen Bretz too

J Harlen Bretz - Wikipedia

"Bretz encountered resistance to his theories from the geology establishment of the day. The geology establishment was resistant to such a sweeping theory for the origin of a broad landscape for a variety of reasons, including lack of familiarity with the remote areas of the interior Pacific Northwest where the research was based, and the lack of status and reputation of Bretz in the eyes of the largely Ivy League-based geology elites. Furthermore, his theory implied the potential possibilities of a Biblical flood, which the scientific community strongly rejected."

Only took about 30 years before the establishment finally admitted they were wrong.....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If the continents were dividing catastrophically, the energy release would have boiled off the oceans. There wouldn't be any water left to form tsunamis.

False assumption.... Since the continents slid on a base of water... hence hydroplate theory......

 

[Justatruthseeker]

IMO....the most plausible of all flood theories that I have encountered.
Bryan Nickel

It's the only actual theory that meets all the facts and fits all of the data and observations....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

They have been studying the Sun for hundreds of years. And ALL of the Standard Model theories are utterly without merit, have been falsified, and are absurd given the observations. They know it, and you evidently do not. Tragic.

They know it too. It's just hard to give up something one has believed in all ones life and invested time and effort into. But that is why every single astronomy discovery since the space age has come as a surprise to astronomers. When you start with the wrong theory you are always surprised observations don't fit your theory.....

And the only recourse is to add Fairie Dust to sledgehammer the observations to fit the theory.....

 

[tas8831]

Sorry. Everybody is dead wrong on this one....The geologists and archaeologists theories are a joke. A very dangerous joke.

Please tell us all about your scientific background such that you have concluded that real theories are wrong and the ranting of a creationist mechanical engineer is true on this.

I am not a geologist, so I will defer to those that are, but Brown also has a written track record on things biological, and in those writings, Brown is laughably incorrect on nearly everything he writes. Why should I accept that Brown is right on the 'hydroplate theory' despite being wrong on everything else he writes?

 

[tas8831]

Dead wrong. I urge you to study the matter in detail and find out the facts.
There is absolutely no way that the standard model is correct, trust me I know.

Please explain how you know. No links to videos, just YOUR explanation.

 

[pitabread]

It's the only actual theory that meets all the facts and fits all of the data and observations....

If by "all" you really mean "none" then sure.

 

[tas8831]

Global flood debunked? Really? By who exactly? The Person who was there or a clueless scientist?

Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. Especially when there was no actual eyewitness, but tall tales copied form other myths.

 

[tas8831]

"real scientific publications" huh. Really. Like the publications that propose utterly failed theories about the Sun, Stars, and the web of galaxies. All....A-L-L.... of those theories have been utterly, resoundingly, conclusively falsified. A-L-L stellar phenomenon are plasmoid z-pinch phenomenon, without exception. Gravity as a force is inconsequential.
Get a clue and try and keep up.

Dead wrong. Believe me.

 

[tas8831]

Oh...I bet you did not know that Walt has tweaked and modified his theory. Of course you didn't. Browns theory uses the data of Scripture as a starting point.

That is why it fails. Well that and the fact that there is no evidence for it, and the evidence there is contradicts it. His lensing jokes are especially entertaining.

Taking the musings of ancient middle eastern numerologists and tale-tellers at face value is bound to make you look like a fool at some point.

 

[tas8831]

Oh brother. The truth is that I have scrupulously studied the range of theories. The Standard model is quite frankly utterly absurd. Walt Browns model is however perfectly plausible and completely explains matters inscrutable to the standard model. I know....KNOW......that the prevailing standard models.....all of them.....are utterly bogus. Untenable, unsupportable, just a mess.

Good luck trust me you are going to need it.

I don;t trust you at all. All you are doing is what any number of creationist zealots with no scientific training have done for decades.

 

[tas8831]

You are in for quite a shock believe me. Or at least a serious disappointment. If you really believe that the various standard models are valid, you had better research and reconsider. All of those theories have been wrecked. And thank God that I was paying strict enough attention to realize it.

So, why didn't you just admit that you are nothing but a preacher?

 

[tas8831]

If Walt's hydroplates are a plausible theory for the flood (or anything else) then Dan's Da Vinci Code is a plausible explanation for Christianity.

At least Dan Brown admits that the DaVinci Code is fiction...

 

[tas8831]

Keep looking. The Flood of Noah is one of the most detailed episodes in Scripture

Such amazing DETAIL:

Genesis 7 New International Version (NIV)

7 The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”


5 And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.


6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female, came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.


11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth forty days and forty nights.


13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the Lord shut him in.


17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits.21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Genesis 8 New International Version (NIV)

8 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters receded. 2 Now the springs of the deep and the floodgates of the heavens had been closed, and the rain had stopped falling from the sky. 3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and fifty days the water had gone down, 4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. 5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible.


6 After forty days Noah opened a window he had made in the ark 7 and sent out a raven, and it kept flying back and forth until the water had dried up from the earth. 8 Then he sent out a dove to see if the water had receded from the surface of the ground. 9 But the dove could find nowhere to perch because there was water over all the surface of the earth; so it returned to Noah in the ark. He reached out his hand and took the dove and brought it back to himself in the ark. 10 He waited seven more days and again sent out the dove from the ark. 11 When the dove returned to him in the evening, there in its beak was a freshly plucked olive leaf! Then Noah knew that the water had receded from the earth. 12 He waited seven more days and sent the dove out again, but this time it did not return to him.


After that it is post flood fakery.

But wow, such detail... Such... a low bar....

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Global flood debunked? Really? By who exactly? The Person who was there or a clueless scientist?

The geologists came up clueless because there was no global flood, and so no clues

 

[tas8831]

So our Walt Brown acolyte plagiarized a big chunk of a page from Barry Setterfield's website, I exposed and reported it, and both the plagiarism and my exposure of it have been deleted. So, watch this one - we may have another typical creationist here...

 

[pitabread]

False assumption.... Since the continents slid on a base of water... hence hydroplate theory......

So water prevents energy release now? Is this some magical new physics at work?

People have crunched the numbers over the years and Walt Brown's entire thesis dies to basic physics.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

If by "all" you really mean "none" then sure.

Oh no... ALL... But then that's why you can't actually show how it doesn't fit, just make baseless unsupported claims.....

Just like they did with Harlen Bretz...


J Harlen Bretz - Wikipedia

"Bretz encountered resistance to his theories from the geology establishment of the day. The geology establishment was resistant to such a sweeping theory for the origin of a broad landscape for a variety of reasons, including lack of familiarity with the remote areas of the interior Pacific Northwest where the research was based, and the lack of status and reputation of Bretz in the eyes of the largely Ivy League-based geology elites. Furthermore, his theory implied the potential possibilities of a Biblical flood, which the scientific community strongly rejected."

Only took about 30 years before the establishment finally admitted they were wrong.....

How many more we got to wait before they admit they are still wrong????

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So water prevents energy release now? Is this some magical new physics at work?

People have crunched the numbers over the years and Walt Brown's entire thesis dies to basic physics.

people haven't crunched anything, which is why your assertions have no citations backing them up......

Go ahead, slide something on water, even if it isn't pressurized and holding it up, and tell me how much energy release you get compared to dragging that same thing across bedrock....

What I thought, like most doesn't understand too much of physics. At least come up with something reasonable to protest.... Enough energy release to melt the bedrock....

 

[Justatruthseeker]

So our Walt Brown acolyte plagiarized a big chunk of a page from Barry Setterfield's website, I exposed and reported it, and both the plagiarism and my exposure of it have been deleted. So, watch this one - we may have another typical creationist here...

Actually the reverse, since Barry fought against Walt for years against the Hydroplate theory and supported the Changing speed of light theory.