Walmart apologizes for Christmas sweater with apparent drug reference

[Speedwell]

But what religion has been historically credited for ending slavery?

Certainly not under right-wing Evangelical Protestantism. The Southern Baptist Convention, still the largest Protestant denomination in the country, was founded in support of slavery. The 19th century was also a time of rampant discrimination by Protestants against Roman Catholics, often leading to deadly violence.

Under what religion have women been afforded the most rights and to whom the most opportunities have been provided for living a life of meaning and purpose?
Under what religion have people been treated the most equal, regardless of race and gender, and have experienced the least amount of discrimination?
Under what religion does the working class experience the least amount of exploitation?

Generally "under" no religion, but as a consequence of the liberal policies of a secular state. And yes, progressive Christians had a big hand forming those policies , but not all Christians have gone along. Dr. King was a Christian, but so were those who opposed him.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Certainly not under right-wing Evangelical Protestantism. The Southern Baptist Convention, still the largest Protestant denomination in the country, was founded in support of slavery. The 19th century was also a time of rampant discrimination by Protestants against Roman Catholics, often leading to deadly violence.

So, you don't really know what religion has been historically credited for the ending of slavery.

Generally "under" no religion, but as a consequence of the liberal policies of a secular state. And yes, progressive Christians had a big hand forming those policies , but not all Christians have gone along. Dr. King was a Christian, but so were those who opposed him.

So, you believe that that the liberties and rights that we enjoy today were not founded upon any set of principles founded in any particular faith or belief system? If that is the case, then what is there to hold them in place?

Dr. King, by the way, was not a progressive Christian in the sense that we would know one to be. He would have been opposed to the things that progressive Christians have supported today such as abortion and gay marriage, as would have other Christians who were a part of the civil rights movement.

 

[durangodawood]

...Dr. King, by the way, was not a progressive Christian in the sense that we would know one to be. He would have been opposed to the things that progressive Christians have supported today such as abortion and gay marriage, as would have other Christians who were a part of the civil rights movement.

Probably true in his day.

I bet not though, if he were around today, at least for gay rights.

 

[Speedwell]

So, you don't really know what religion has been historically credited for the ending of slavery.

I know that there were Christians on both sides of the issue.

So, you believe that that the liberties and rights that we enjoy today were not founded upon any set of principles founded in any particular faith or belief system? If that is the case, then what is there to hold them in place?

More than one. Christianity played an important role, so did Deism. But this is not the place to entertain the argument which you are hinting at, that without a fundamentalist interpretation of Scripture there can be no moral compass.

Dr. King, by the way, was not a progressive Christian in the sense that we would know one to be. He would have been opposed to the things that progressive Christians have supported today such as abortion and gay marriage, as would have other Christians who were a part of the civil rights movement.

He told you that, did he?

 

[Contenders Edge]

Probably true in his day.

I bet not though, if he were around today, at least for gay rights.

King says otherwise: https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm

 

[Contenders Edge]

I know that there were Christians on both sides of the issue.

And since there were Christians on both sides of the issue, it would also be safe to assume that both sides appealed to scripture to defend their side of the matter.

Can you tell me what teachings of the Bible the Christians who opposed slavery appealed to in their defense for the abolition of slavery?

And to what scriptures did those who attempted to justify slavery attempt to make their appeal?

More than one. Christianity played an important role, so did Deism. But this is not the place to entertain the argument which you are hinting at, that without a fundamentalist interpretation of Scripture there can be no moral compass.

Feel free to end the discussion any time. I'm not one to impose.

He told you that, did he?

Read about it here:
580100.Advice for Living

 

[durangodawood]

King says otherwise: https://swap.stanford.edu/20141218230500/http://mlk-kpp01.stanford.edu/kingweb/publications/papers/vol4/580100-000-Advice_For_Living.htm

Dr. King is alive???

Amazing. How did I not hear of this?

 

[Nithavela]

History shows me that it was a time of religious and racial discrimination, widespread acceptance of slavery, the economic exploitation of the working class and serious limitations on the rights of women, none of which conform to the teachings of scripture.

To be fair, a lot of that conforms to the teachings of scripture.

 

[Nithavela]

No, the poster has a fair point.

We have gone way beyond "live and let live", which I think isn't much of a problem to anyone, to demanding enthusiastic approval at the cost of legal action if one doesn't at least appear to agree with the scriptural revisionists, but instead stands with God's Word on this topic.

Your definition of "live and let live" is closer to "don't ask don't tell", forcing people to hide themselves and keep up an act so you can pretend they don't exist. That's not equality, thats emotional subjugation.

 

[Nithavela]

But what religion has been historically credited for ending slavery?
Under what religion have women been afforded the most rights and to whom the most opportunities have been provided for living a life of meaning and purpose?
Under what religion have people been treated the most equal, regardless of race and gender, and have experienced the least amount of discrimination?
Under what religion does the working class experience the least amount of exploitation?

That's a number of pretty difficult questions, each with their own answer, but of course you just want to hear "christianity".

 

[FireDragon76]

So to clarify, you writing words on a page counts as evidence to you,. How sad. Not one link. You cannot even muster one single link to support your fantasy claims.

Hardly surprising. Pathetic, but hardly surprising.




Matthew Shepard - Wikipedia
History of violence against LGBT people in the United States - Wikipedia
Significant acts of violence against LGBT people - Wikipedia

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• Scotty Joe Weaver was an 18-year-old murder victim from Bay Minette, Alabama, whose burned and partially decomposed body was discovered on July 22, 2004, a few miles from the mobile home in which he lived. He was beaten, strangled and stabbed numerous times, partially decapitated, and his body was doused in gasoline and set on fire.
• Ronnie Antonio Paris, a three-year-old boy living in Tampa, Florida, died on January 28, 2005, due to brain injuries inflicted by his father, Ronnie Paris, Jr. According to his mother and other relatives, Ronnie Paris, Jr., repeatedly slammed his son into walls, slapped the child's head, and "boxed" him because he was concerned the child was gay and would grow up a sissy. Paris was sentenced to thirty years in prison.[180][181]
• Jason Gage, an openly gay man, was murdered on March 11, 2005, in his Waterloo, Iowa apartment by an assailant, Joseph Lawrence, who claimed Gage had made sexual advance to him. Gage was bludgeoned to death with a bottle, and stabbed in the neck, probably post-mortem, with a shard of glass.[182] Lawrence was sentenced to fifty years in prison.
• 18-year-old Jacob D. Robida entered a bar on February 2, 2006, in New Bedford, Massachusetts, confirmed that it was a gay bar, and then attacked patrons with a hatchet and a handgun, wounding three.[183] He fatally shot himself three days later.[184]
• Kevin Aviance, a female impressionist, musician, and fashion designer, was robbed and beaten in Manhattan on June 10, 2006, by a group of men who yelled anti-gay slurs at him. Four assailants pleaded guilty and received prison sentences.[185]
• Six men were attacked with baseball bats and knives on July 30, 2006, after leaving the San Diego, California Gay Pride festival. One victim was injured so severely that he had to undergo extensive facial reconstructive surgery. Three men pleaded guilty in connection with the attacks and received prison sentences. A 15-year-old juvenile also pleaded guilty.[186][187]
• An altercation occurred in Manhattan on August 18, 2006, between a man and seven black lesbians from Newark, New Jersey. During the altercation, the man was stabbed. The women claim that they acted in self-defense after he screamed homophobic epithets, spit on them, and pulled one of their weaves off,[188] while he has described the attack as "a hate crime against a straight man."[189]
• Michael Sandy was attacked on October 8, 2006, by four young heterosexual men who lured him into meeting after chatting online, while they were looking for gay men to rob. He was struck by a car while trying to escape his attackers, and died five days later without regaining consciousness.[190][191]
• Andrew Anthos, a 72-year-old disabled gay man, was beaten with a lead pipe by a man who was shouting anti-gay names at him on February 27, 2007, in Detroit, Michigan. Anthos died 10 days later in the hospital.[192]
• Sean William Kennedy, 20, was walking to his car from Brew's Bar in Greenville, SC on May 16, 2007, when Stephen Andrew Moller, 18, got out of another car and approached Kennedy. Investigators said that Moller made a comment about Kennedy's sexual orientation, and threw a fatal punch because he did not like the other man's sexual preference.[193]
• Duanna Johnson, a transsexual woman, was beaten by a police officer in February 2008, while she was held in the Shelby County Criminal Justice Center in Tennessee. Johnson said the officers reportedly called her a "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" and "he-she," before and during the incident.[194] In November 2008, she was found dead in the street, reportedly gunned down by three unknown individuals.[195]
• Lawrence "Larry" King, a 15-year-old junior highschool student was shot twice by a classmate at E.O. Green School in Oxnard, California on February 12, 2008. He was taken off life support after doctors declared him brain dead on February 15.[196] According to Associated Press reports, "prosecutors have charged a 14-year-old classmate with premeditated murder with hate-crime and firearm-use enhancements".[197][198][199]
• Angie Zapata, an 18-year-old trans woman, was beaten to death on July 17, 2008, in Colorado, two days after meeting Allen Ray Andrade. The case was prosecuted as a hate crime, and Andrade was found guilty of first degree murder on April 22, 2009.[200]
• Nima Daivari, 26, was attacked by a man who called him "[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]" on September 13, 2008, in Denver, Colorado. The police that arrived on the scene refused to make a report of the attack.[201]
• A Bourbonnais, Illinois elementary school bus driver was charged with leading a homophobic attack on a 10-year-old student passenger on September 15, 2008. The boy was taunted by the driver who then encouraged other students to chase and beat the child.[202]
• Lateisha Green, a 22-year-old transgender woman, was shot and killed by Dwight DeLee on November 14, 2008, in Syracuse, NY because he thought she was gay.[203] Local news media reported the incident with her legal name, Moses "Teish" Cannon.[204] DeLee was convicted of first-degree manslaughter as a hate crime on July 17, 2009, and received the maximum sentence of 25 years in state prison. This was only the second time in the nation's history that a person was prosecuted for a hate crime against a transgender person and the first hate crime conviction in New York state.[205][206][207]
• Carl Joseph Walker-Hoover, an 11-year-old child in Springfield, Massachusetts, hanged himself with an extension cord on April 6, 2009, after being bullied all school year by peers who said "he acted feminine" and was gay.[208]
• Justin Goodwin, 36, of Salem, Massachusetts was attacked and beaten on April 10, 2009, by as many as six people outside a bar in Gloucester, Massachusetts. Goodwin suffered a shattered jaw, broken eye socket, broken nose and broken cheekbone. Goodwin later committed suicide.[209]
• Seaman August Provost was found shot to death and his body burned at his guard post on Camp Pendleton on June 30, 2009. LGBT community leaders "citing military sources initially said that Provost's death was a hate crime."[210] Provost had been harassed because of his sexual orientation.[210] Military leaders have since explained that "whatever the investigation concludes, the military's "Don't ask, don't tell" policy prevented Provost from seeking help."[210] Family and friends believe he was murdered because he was openly gay (or bisexual according to some family and sources);[211][212][213][214] the killer committed suicide a week later after admitting the murder. The Navy has not concluded if this was a hate crime.[215]
• CeCe McDonald, a young African American trans woman, was attacked outside a tavern shortly after midnight on June 5, 2011, in Minneapolis, Minnesota.[216] CeCe fatally stabbed her attacker with a pair of scissors.[217] She was subsequently convicted of manslaughter and jailed for 19 months in a men's prison.[218]
• Mark Carson, a 32-year-old gay man, was shot to death by a man who trailed and taunted him and a friend as they walked down the street in Greenwich Village, New York, yelling anti-gay slurs and asking one of them, "You want to die tonight?" Elliot Morales was arrested shortly after the shooting and charged with murder and weapons charges on May 19, 2013.[219]
• In March 2014, John Patrick Masterson, an openly gay rapper professionally known as Jipsta was attacked in a New York City subway station as he and his partner were celebrating their 10-year anniversary.[220][221] The assailant began calling the couple homophobic slurs, and following a verbal disagreement, Jipsta was beaten by the unidentified subject, resulting in multiple fractures to his face.[222] As a result of the incident, Jipsta required surgery due to seven broken bones sustained to his nose and eye socket, which forced him to cease promotion of his second album Turnt Up.[223]
• 49 people were killed, and 53 injured, in a shooting at an Orlando gay nightclub on June 12, 2016.

Utter rubbish.

Indeed. Some people commit a sacrilege against memory. Thank you for helping to set the record straight.

 

[FireDragon76]

So, you don't really know what religion has been historically credited for the ending of slavery.





So, you believe that that the liberties and rights that we enjoy today were not founded upon any set of principles founded in any particular faith or belief system? If that is the case, then what is there to hold them in place?

Dr. King, by the way, was not a progressive Christian in the sense that we would know one to be. He would have been opposed to the things that progressive Christians have supported today such as abortion and gay marriage, as would have other Christians who were a part of the civil rights movement.

Dr. King was trained in the historical-critical method, went to a liberal seminary, and was a mainline, liberal Protestant theologically, so I think what you are asserting is more than a bit presumptuous.

Coretta Scott King, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s wife, was indeed an advocate for gay rights. In 1983 she spoke out against discrimination against gays and lesbians, long before it was widely acceptable to do so.

Certain topics, especially those having to do with news items, can sometimes tend to raise a whole host of other issues and the LGBT agenda is just one example of many agendas that are at enmity with our maker, destroying our moral fabric, corrupting the pure and innocent, and extinguishing truth and yet orchestrated by the same dark spirit who has been at war with God for ages over the lives and souls of men.

And this just happens to be one topic that led me to raise the question: If Walmart can apologize for a product that may have left a bad impression, why is there no one apologizing for capitulating to the LGBT agenda and for allowing themselves to be intimidated by them, especially within the body of Christ?

The "dark spirit" I see in the world is the spirit of ignorance and fear.

 

[Speedwell]

And since there were Christians on both sides of the issue, it would also be safe to assume that both sides appealed to scripture to defend their side of the matter.

Can you tell me what teachings of the Bible the Christians who opposed slavery appealed to in their defense for the abolition of slavery?

And to what scriptures did those who attempted to justify slavery attempt to make their appeal?

You don't know? I thought you Bible Christians were experts in this kind of thing. Here's a list:

Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery?

 

[Contenders Edge]

To be fair, a lot of that conforms to the teachings of scripture.

No it does not. It is very clear you have not read the scriptures.

 

[Nithavela]

No it does not. It is very clear you have not read the scriptures.

Maybe we read different scriptures. I distinctly remember a lot of passages concerning the lower status of women and slaves.

 

[Contenders Edge]

You don't know? I thought you Bible Christians were experts in this kind of thing. Here's a list:

Why Did So Many Christians Support Slavery?

And yet you have not provided a list of what Christian abolitionists appealed to in defense of their side, which means you either don't know the answer to that, or you are resorting a tactic typical of those seeking to discredit the Christian faith; providing only a part of the story that suits your purpose and disregarding any information that counters your arguments and and accusations against the faith. Which it is, I've yet to see.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Maybe we read different scriptures. I distinctly remember a lot of passages concerning the lower status of women and slaves.

Such as what? Now I am curious as to whether or not we are really reading the same Bible.

 

[FireDragon76]

Such as what? Now I am curious as to whether or not we are really reading the same Bible.

His point seems to be that the Bible as a moral authority isn't obvious, given that it seems to not condemn a number of things today we recognize as obvious evils.

 

[Speedwell]

And yet you have not provided a list of what Christian abolitionists appealed to in defense of their side, which means you either don't know the answer to that, or you are resorting a tactic typical of those seeking to discredit the Christian faith; providing only a part of the story that suits your purpose and disregarding any information that counters your arguments and and accusations against the faith. Which it is, I've yet to see.

You are getting a bit above yourself, it appears. You and your opinions are not the "Christian faith." You don't own the Christian faith or the Bible and are in no position to dictate to the rest of us what we are to believe. Now if you truly don't know the scriptures which condemn slavery I will tell you. But I think you do know them and are just looking for an excuse to be snarky to Christians and others who don't share your right-wing political agenda.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Dr. King was trained in the historical-critical method, went to a liberal seminary, and was a mainline, liberal Protestant theologically, so I think what you are asserting is more than a bit presumptuous.

Coretta Scott King, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s wife, was indeed an advocate for gay rights. In 1983 she spoke out against discrimination against gays and lesbians, long before it was widely acceptable to do so.

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My assertion is based on more than mere presumption as the following link reveals:
580100.Advice for Living

And Coretta Scott King was to the left of Dr. King when it came to social issues. Dr. King's concern was only racial discrimination as far as his role in the civil rights movement is concerned.

The "dark spirit" I see in the world is the spirit of ignorance and fear.

Which is what you are subjected to.