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[Contenders Edge]

His point seems to be that the Bible as a moral authority isn't obvious, given that it seems to not condemn a number of things today we recognize as obvious evils.

Such as?

 

[FireDragon76]

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My assertion is based on more than mere presumption as the following link reveals:
580100.Advice for Living

And Coretta Scott King was to the left of Dr. King when it came to social issues. Dr. King's concern was only racial discrimination as far as his role in the civil rights movement is concerned.





Which is what you are subjected to.

No, the ignorance is on the part of those who would assert ancient, dubious superstitions over the light of reason and science.

 

[FireDragon76]

Such as?

Slavery, subjugation of women, homophobia.

 

[FireDragon76]

You are getting a bit above yourself, it appears. You and your opinions are not the "Christian faith." You don't own the Christian faith or the Bible and are in no position to dictate to the rest of us what we are to believe.

Absolutely.

I am so tired of the Right using religion as a weapon against freethought. It doesn't really serve the interests of saving my soul, either. All it is doing is alienating me from taking their religion and worldview seriously. They have no good arguments anymore that persuade, only accusations and insinuations. Well, let me just say that betrays a low character, and when people have to resort to propaganda, misinformation, and libel, that doesn't speak to an ethical worldview.

 

[durangodawood]

Slavery, subjugation of women, homophobia.

Morality is evolving. The Bible stopped 2000 years ago. Many important moral principles havent changed at all. But some have.

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

Oh there's many Christian countries where LGBT persecution is just awful.

If many Islamic countries are even worse, thats hardly something to be proud of.

Try being a Christian in an Islamic country.

 

[Rebecca4Christ]

Absolutely.

I am so tired of the Right using religion as a weapon against freethought. It doesn't really serve the interests of saving my soul, either. All it is doing is alienating me from taking their religion and worldview seriously. They have no good arguments anymore that persuade, only accusations and insinuations. Well, let me just say that betrays a low character, and when people have to resort to propaganda, misinformation, and libel, that doesn't speak to an ethical worldview.

I've been curious,so I'll ask you....
Why does an Athiest desire to join a Christian forum? Sincere question, please answer in like manner.

 

[Nithavela]

His point seems to be that the Bible as a moral authority isn't obvious, given that it seems to not condemn a number of things today we recognize as obvious evils.

If not actively endorse them.

 

[FireDragon76]

I've been curious,so I'll ask you....
Why does an Athiest desire to join a Christian forum? Sincere question, please answer in like manner.

I've been a member of this forum for years. I used to identify as a Christian. I'm still a member of a Lutheran church (ELCA), but I no longer attend and I am considering letting my membership drop.

I prefer to think of myself as a freethinker rather than an atheist. I am not a metaphysical materialist. I'm more influenced by Jungian or Mahayana Buddhist thought in terms of my view of the world- when it comes to the existence of the God of the Bible, I am a non-realist but I don't think religion is total nonsense. Just the kind that promote bigotry and intolerance.

I don't find this big God idea persuasive at all. Especially when its tied with baseless hatred, intolerance, and denial of scientific facts.

 

[durangodawood]

Try being a Christian in an Islamic country.

I do think on average Christians fare better there than gays.

But my point was: Christians do themselves no favors by comparing themselves against the most repressive Islamic states. I mean, could you possibly set the bar any lower?

 

[Contenders Edge]

You are getting a bit above yourself, it appears. You and your opinions are not the "Christian faith." You don't own the Christian faith or the Bible and are in no position to dictate to the rest of us what we are to believe. Now if you truly don't know the scriptures which condemn slavery I will tell you. But I think you do know them and are just looking for an excuse to be snarky to Christians and others who don't share your right-wing political agenda.

My faith is built on nothing more than the authority of scripture by which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is delivered to all. Whether you wish to embrace it or not is up to you and your railing false accusations against me which make plain your ignorance clearly show that you are on the losing side of the debate.

 

[FireDragon76]

My faith is built on nothing more than the authority of scripture by which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is delivered to all. Whether you wish to embrace it or not is up to you and your railing false accusations against me which make plain your ignorance clearly show that you are on the losing side of the debate.

Typical passive-aggressive, fideistic attitude of conservative Christians. You give no real reasons why we should accept the authority of your scriptures, yet you take pot-shots against minority groups and then run and hide behind religion and act put upon when anybody calls you out on it.

 

[Contenders Edge]

No, the ignorance is on the part of those who would assert ancient, dubious superstitions over the light of reason and science.

That all depends on what you perceive as the light of reason and science and what you deem to be ancient, dubious superstitions since opinions vary on what constitutes as science and what the light of reason is and what is dubious superstition.

 

[FireDragon76]

That all depends on what you perceive as the light of reason and science and what you deem to be ancient, dubious superstitions since opinions vary on what constitutes as science and what the light of reason is and what is dubious superstition.

I would never expect a Christian to appeal to the dank side of postmodernism... but I guess that's the last refuge of those with no real arguments.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Typical passive-aggressive, fideistic attitude of conservative Christians. You give no real reasons why we should accept the authority of your scriptures, yet you take pot-shots against minority groups and then run and hide behind religion and act put upon when anybody calls you out on it.

We have given a multitude of reasons as to why the authority of scripture should be accepted and can be trusted. There are multitude of books written, articles published, websites and blogs produced (including my own) in defense of the Gospel and scriptural authority and if they were all put together, that long list would run for miles and would probably circle the globe many times over.

But whether or not you accept the evidence on behalf of the Gospel presented before you and the arguments made in its favor is up to you. As far as taking pot-shots against minority groups, I am not sure what you mean by that as that statement conveys a number of different meanings, but this much I can say; we can love people and not necessarily like everything they do or agree with everything they say, teach, propagate, and promote.

 

[Contenders Edge]

I would never expect a Christian to appeal to the dank side of postmodernism... but I guess that's the last refuge of those with no real arguments.

The dank side of postmodernism being what you have apparently appealed to as you yourself have presented no real arguments; just baseless and misguided accusations founded in ignorance.

 

[Contenders Edge]

Slavery, subjugation of women, homophobia.

Show me in the Bible where slavery and the subjugation of women, as you understand them to be, are promoted.

 

[Speedwell]

My faith is built on nothing more than the authority of scripture by which the Gospel of Jesus Christ is delivered to all. Whether you wish to embrace it or not is up to you and your railing false accusations against me which make plain your ignorance clearly show that you are on the losing side of the debate.

I may be, but as there are over two billion Christians in the world and not more that a hundred million or so of your sort I'm not too worried about it.

 

[FireDragon76]

Show me in the Bible where slavery and the subjugation of women, as you understand them to be, are promoted.

The Bible and slavery - Wikipedia

1 Corinthians 14:34

 

[FireDragon76]

I may be, but as there are over two billion Christians in the world and not more that a hundred million or so of your sort I'm not too worried about it.

There's about 500 million or so Pentecostals or Evangelicals who all broadly share the same superstitious, premodern worldview. But that's only a small fraction of the 2 billion Christians in the world.