claninja
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I happen to be of the mindset, that when it comes to prophesies like this, chronology counts, thus matters.
I would argue chronology should not be as important. There are a ton of OT prophecies that are not fulfilled in the order they were written. For example Zechariah 13:
Zechariah 13:1 On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the residents of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity
Zechariah 13:7 Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn My hand against the little ones.
Its pretty obvious that verse 1 was not fulfilled before verse 7. The only reason we know this is because of the NT reference.
Matthew 26:30-31 And when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of me this night. For it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered
So the argument of Chronology is not as good as finding fulfillment in the NT testament scriptures. fulfillment in the NT scriptures should always be our tent pole.
Ezekiel 39:28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
Let's also consider this. The way the text reads to me here, is like such. but I have gathered them unto their own land, meaning before the judgment executed on Gog and his multitude, and have left none of them any more there, meaning He no longer leaves them in captivity among the heathen.
Use scripture to interpret scripture. The gathering and restoring of fortunes has to do with the return from Babylonian exile.
Jeremiah 29:10-14 “For thus says the Lord: When seventy years are completed for Babylon, I will visit you, and I will fulfill to you my promise and bring you back to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfareb and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.
Ezekiel 39:25 Therefore thus says the Lord God: Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel, and I will be jealous for my holy name
Psalm 85 is generally recognized as being written upon return from exile.
Psalm 85:1 Lord, you were favorable to your land; you restored the fortunes of Jacob.
Israel would have to be restored from exile for the promises of the messiah's coming in the flesh to be fulfilled
Yet God is still obviously hiding His face from them, the fact most of them are still Christ rejectors, thus unbelievers.
God is not hiding his face from his people. He poured out his spirit on them at Pentecost.
That tells me Gog and his multitude have not been defeated yet, thus verse 29 is not yet fulfilled, regardless what passages like in Acts 2 indicates
ignoring the tent pole leaves me to believe that your interpretation is incorrect. we know for a fact the spirit was poured out at Pentecost 10 days after Jesus ascended.
You believe the spirit will be poured out again? Why would it need to be poured out again, if its already here.
John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper,f to be with you forever
John 16:7-11 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
I don't see us too far apart here in our thinking in regards to this. I'm certain we don't see it exactly the same, yet I don't see anything in what you said here that I feel the need to try and dispute atm.
cheers
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