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Featured Walk through if I have it wrong, Ezekiel 38-39

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Mar 17, 2019.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    Yes, but not out of the sequence of Ezekiel 38-39. Likewise, that Ezekiel 39:17-20 is Armageddon, one has to go out of the context of Ezekiel 38-39, because Armageddon is found in Revelation.
  2. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    I am not agreeing that Ezekiel 17-20 is referring to Gog, because Gog's army is destroyed in Ezekiel 39:4, 7 years earlier.
  3. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

    New Zealand
    Correct. All as told to us by the Bible prophets.
    Here is where you show your inability to read my post properly.
    There will never be a nuke explosion in the holy Land. The missiles that Iran has, will explode on the launch pad...recoil upon their own heads....Psalms 7:16, Joel 3:4, Hab 3:14
    Caused by the tremendous Electro-Magnetic Pulse from the CME.

    The Lord will regenerate the holy Land, it will be like a garden land. Jeremiah 12-13, Ezekiel 36:8, Isaiah 35:6-7, Psalms 126:1-5
    What you don't see because of your preconceived beliefs, is how it is every faithful Christian, that are the true Israel of God. Jesus turned things upside down, Isaiah 29:16, by extending salvation to all who would accept it. The Jews have no legitimate claim to the holy Land and if you read the prophesies, you should know they will soon be gone.
    Ezekiel 20:34-38 say who will be allowed there, only the righteous people, the real Israelites of God.
  4. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    The regeneration of the land of Israel (I am assuming that is what you mean by the hold land) to be like garden land - takes places before Gog/Magog in your view?

    I understand that is a position some take.

    So you are saying that in Ezekiel 38 "the people" that are gathered out of the nations - are Christians, who will move into the post solar CME depopulated land of Israel - prior to Gog/Magog?

    And when it speaks of "my people of Israel" in Ezekiel 38:14 is talking about Christians?

    What your position requires is that all of the events of 1948, then the war of independence, the sinai war, the six day war, the Yom Kippur war, are not God's will, but a series of happen stance that the Jews have come out on top in every single incidence in spite of the odds stacked against them.
  5. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    Don't you think this type of reasoning is rather revolting?
  6. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    Douggg, anyone that doesn't flee Jerusalem will be dead. Only those that survive the AoD will have a chance to survive the 70th week.

    Jesus tells the Jews in the discourse to flee when they see the Abomination of Desolation because a nuclear bomb will hit the city destroying everything, not one stone will be left on top of another.

    Zechariah 14:12 King James Version (KJV)
    And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Matthew 24:21 King James Version (KJV)
    For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

    Douggg, if you put in some thought I'm sure you can figure out why God calls this event the Abomination of "Desolation."

    DESOLATION | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary

    the state of a place that is empty or where everything has been destroyed:

    After the AoD, everyone there is dead. No one will be alive to burn weapons for 7 years. If by some miracle you get survivors that stays in the city after the this event, they'll all die soon from radiation and lack of food.

    Bottom line, this is another reason why the 7 years of burning weapons cannot happen in the tribulation.
  7. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    That's a good article David. I decided to copy and paste a portion of what the writer of that link wrote. He's consistent with what we've been telling Douggg, the weapons being burn is 7 years in the millennium, not during the tribulation.

    When will they burn weapons for 7 years

    Ezekiel 39:9
    And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

    Remember a chapter back every wall fell to the ground

    Ezekiel 38:20
    the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

    how could people come out of the cities, if every wall fell unless there was a gap after Armageddon and the people rebuilt their cities in the millennium reign of Christ, then they burned weapons for 7 years. The jews wont be rebuilding during the great tribulation if there is an earthquake.

    Mark 13:14
    But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains:
    will people in Israel fleeing for their lives be burning weapons during tribulation, I don’t think so. Burning weapons will be done in the millennium I believe.
  8. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    When do the events of Ezekiel chapters 35-39 take place?

    Many believe that this great slaughter of the armies of Gog and Magog will occur just prior to the beginning of the 70th Week. This is because Ezekiel described how those who live in Israel will use the weapons for fuel for seven years (Ezekiel 39:9).

    However, this one verse, standing on its own, cannot be used to demonstrate that the seven years in question are equivalent to the so-called "tribulation" period. In fact, it has been commonplace for God to use periods of "seven" in the past, for various activities, such as the following (most of which involve seven-year periods):
    • performing His acts of creation in six "days" and resting on the seventh "day" (Genesis 2:2,3),
    • waiting seven days after commanding Noah to bring the animals onto the ark before sending the rain (Genesis 7:4),
    • having Jacob agree to work seven years in return for receiving Rachel (Genesis 29:18,20,27,28),
    • causing seven years of abundance and seven years of famine in the land (Genesis 41:26,29,30,53,54),
    • counting off seven sabbaths of years for the jubilee (Leviticus 25:8).
    • commanding that debts be canceled after seven years (Deuteronomy 15:1),
    • giving the Israelites into the hands of the Midianites for seven years (Judges 6:1),
    • allowing David to rule over Israel in Hebron for seven years (1 Kings 2:11),
    • having the first temple built in seven years (1 Kings 6:38), and
    • causing another famine in the land for seven years (2 Kings 8:2).
    The seven years mentioned in Ezekiel 39:9 most likely refer to the first seven years of the Millennium, after Jesus has returned to earth.


    Burning weapons during Jesus' millennial reign - Joel's Trumpet

    Joel Richardson WND
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    Whether it is proven right or wrong will be when Gog/Magog takes place. Before we get to that point, the EU has to restructure into the ten king (leader) form of government with one leader (the little horn) over them.
  10. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    I am not seeing that because Jesus returns to the Mt. Olives in Jerusalem in Zechariah 14 at His Return.
    Well, I would not automatically equate that to a nuclear explosion. Jesus in Revelation 19:21 destroys them who have gathered to make war against him by speaking...

    Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
  11. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    In the past, that has been the basis for the rationale. But the present rationale which is 100% concrete infallible - is Jesus Himself is speaking in Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to earth and is recounting the past 2000 years.

    Because in Daniel 9:27, the 70 weeks end with the completion of the 7 year 70th week. And in Revelation, Jesus returns in Revelation 19 is preceded by 7 years, by all of the text having elements of the 7 years. That 7 years is directly prior to Ezekiel 39:21-29.

    The burning of the weapons for 7 years mainly confirms that Jesus's return is 7 years after Gog/Magog.

    The 7 years have to take place before....

    Ezekiel 39:21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

    22 So the house of Israel shall know that I am the LORD their God from that day and forward.

    23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

    24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

    25 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

    26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.

    27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;

    28 Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.

    29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.
  12. DavidPT

    DavidPT Premil, the correct position of course

    United States
    Yes I realize that, yet I was also referring to the judgment mentioned in verse 21.

    Let's suppose someone were reading Ezekiel 39 way before the time of any NT Scriptures. What would be the rationale for them to be concluding Ezekiel 39:17-20 are not even connected to the judgment on Gog, but is talking about a different judgment altogether? Why would they think, if the contexts preceding verse 17 have to do with the judgment on Gog, that now out of nowhere God changes the subject entirely? How would they have reasoned it, that in verse 17 God is now telling Ezekiel to speak to every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field? Would they have reasoned it to mean God is now talking about a different judgment altogether? Or would they have reasoned it that this is still connected to the judgment executed against Gog? If this has nothing to do with the judgment on Gog though, this would be way out of context for God to then be going on about another judgment not even involving Gog. Especially when He leaves no hints whatsoever in the texts that this is what He now is doing.
  13. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

    United States
    There is no way to know back before Jesus's death and resurrection, him being rejected by his own people, and the giving of Revelation to correctly understand Ezekiel 38-39.
  14. claninja

    claninja Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I don't think I'm following you. If you are NOT suggesting that something has to be in chronological order from start to finish in a chapter, in order for it to be in chronological order, then why is your position that gog HAS to be defeated prior to the Spirit being poured out?

    I'm not quite understanding you here. Zechariah 13 has a chronology, however, the future fulfillment of Zechariah 13 does not follow it exactly. For example, In Zechariah 13, verse 1 comes before verse 7 in its immediate chronological context. However, if we are looking for the fulfillment of those said verses, Zechariah 13:7 was fulfilled prior to Zechariah 13:1. My argument is the same with Ezekiel 39. In the immediate context, Ezekiel 39 has a chronology. But it's fulfillment is not required to follow that said chronology, in the exact same order.

    I disagree, Jeremiah 29 makes it very clear that God will restore Jacob's fortune after the Babylonian exile.

    Jeremiah 29:10-14 For this is what the LORD says: “When Babylon’s seventy years are complete, I will attend to you and confirm My promise to restore you to this place. For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon Me and come and pray to Me, and I will listen to you. You will seek Me and find Me when you search for Me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the LORD, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and places to which I have banished you, declares the LORD. I will restore you to the place from which I sent you into exile.”

    The eternal promise land is an interesting topic.

    It was promised to Abraham and his offpsring prior to the old covenant, meaning the addition of the old covenant 430 years later cannot revoke the promise made to Abraham.

    Genesis 3:15 For all the land that you see, I will give to you and your offspring forever.

    Galatians 3:17-18 What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to cancel the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

    However, God promised to scatter Israel away from the promise land if they could not keep the old covenant.

    Deuteronomy 28:64-65 Then the LORD will scatter you among all the nations, from one end of the earth to the other, and there you will worship other gods, gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your fathers have known. Among those nations you will find no repose, not even a resting place for the sole of your foot. There the LORD will give you a trembling heart, failing eyes, and a despairing soul.

    Even though God promised to restore their fortunes after the blessings/curses would fall on them, it still depended on their obedience to the law. And we know that Israel could never fully obey the law.

    Deuteronomy 30:1-4 When all these things come upon you—the blessings and curses I have set before you—and you call them to mind in all the nations to which the LORD your God has banished you, and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey His voice with all your heart and all your soul according to everything I am giving you today, then He will restore you from captivitya and have compassion on you and gather you from all the nations to which the LORD your God has scattered you. Even if you have been banished to the ends of the earth, He will gather you and return you from there.

    Deuteronomy 30:10 if you obey the LORD your God by keeping His commandments and statutes that are written in this book of the law, and if you turn to Him with all your heart and all your soul.

    So how do we reconcile the land being Abraham's offspring's eternal possession, and yet God scattering Israel from the promise land if they could not obey?

    Because Jesus is the offspring to which the promises of Abraham were made.

    Galatians 3:16 The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.

    Jesus was seated at the right hand with all authority and above all dominion. The whole earth is his, and this includes the land of Israel, thus fulfilling the promise to Abraham and his offspring, who is Christ.
    Hebrews 1:2 But in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, and through whom He made the universe.
    Matthew 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
    Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
    Ephesians 1:20-21 and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in the one to come.

    1 Corinthians 10:26 For “the earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof.”
    Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

    Your looking at the wrong offspring. The promise land can never be taken away from Christ, for earth is his and the fullness thereof.

    Since we appear to agree that this battle is both spiritual and physical (satan, beast, kings of the earth, and their armies), I don't have an answer as to how someone could reasonably explain a spiritual and physical battle and have another party believe it.

    I do.

    How could someone proved pestilence, fire, and hail occurred a couple thousand years ago?

    How can all of Israel be saved......
    Romans 11:26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
    ...and yet only a remnant saved?
    Romans 9:27 And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved

    Not all of Israel is Israel.
    Romans 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,

    God did not reject his people whom he foreknew.
    Romans 11:1-2 I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew.

    Not sure how anyone could provide convincing evidence of a physical/spiritual battle.

    This would lend evidence for your position. However, as you are making the claim, the burden of proof falls on you.

  15. DavidPT

    DavidPT Premil, the correct position of course

    United States
    I hear you. I don't disagree with your points here, yet I still feel you're placing some of these events in the wrong era of time, regardless.

    A cpl of things I would like to point out, most of it you obviously already realize, if the feasting of the birds in Ezekiel 39:17-20 are referring to the Gog judgment, this would obviously place the events of the Gog judgment at the end of this age where it's involved with the 2nd coming. It would also place the burning of weapons in the millennium. As to the latter here. Do you know one thing this would prove if the burning of the weapons have to fit in the millennium, IOW post the 2nd coming? It would prove Amil is not even remotely the correct position since that position would have no answer for them burning weapons 7 years post the 2nd coming. This shouldn't be a problem for Premil though. If Amil is not the correct position, would it really be such a bad thing that this would be yet further proof that that position is incorrect?
  16. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

    United States
    According to Josephus there were also 97,000 captives taken during the 5 month siege of Jerusalem.
    We can look at that and see what is in store for the Jews in Jerusalem in the future, as shown in Revelation, IMHO

    Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

    Matthew 24:13
    The yet one enduring
    <5278> into a finish<5056>, this one shall be being saved;
    Mark 13:13

    and ye shall be being hated by all because of the Name of Me,
    the yet one enduring<5278> to a finish<5056>, this one shall be being saved.

    Captivity and sword Luke 21:24 Revelation 13:10

    Luke 21:
    19 “By your endurance<5281> possess your souls. [#5281>Revelation 13:10]
    23“But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
    For there will be Great Distress in the land and Wrath upon this people. [Revelation 13:10]
    24 And they shall be falling to mouth of sword and they shall be being led captive into all the nations. [Deuteronomy 28:68 Revelation 13:10]
    And Jerusalem shall be being trodden by nations until which may be being filled times of nations.

    Revelation 9:6
    And in those days the men shall be seeking the death, and not no shall be finding it;
    and shall be desiring to be dying, and the death is fleeing from them.

    Revelation 13:10
    [Luke 21:19-24]
    If any to-captivity into captivity is going away.
    If any in sword to be killed, is binding him in sword to be killed.
    Here is the endurance and the faith of the Saints


    Ezekiel 14:21
    "For this is what the Sovereign LORD says: How much worse will it be when I send against Jerusalem my four dreadful judgments--sword and famine and wild beasts and plague--to kill its men and their animals!

    Jeremiah 15:2
    “And it shall be, if they say to you, ‘Where should we go?' then you shall tell them, ‘Thus says the LORD:
    “Such as are for death, to death;
    And such as are for the sword, to the sword;
    And such as are for the famine, to the famine;
    And such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.” '

    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    The Destruction of Jerusalem

    The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover................

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, ................
    Of the captives the whole was about NINETY-SEVEN THOUSAND.

    ........the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome.
    After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves,
    or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ;
    whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.[Deuteronomy 28:68]

    Last edited: Mar 21, 2019
  17. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

    New Zealand
    Obviously; as described in Ezekiel 38:8-13, Ezekiel 36:8 and many other prophesies.
    Yes, just the New Testament teaches us. Ethnicity has no bearing on who are true Israelites.
    It is God's holy people who are seen in the holy Land; Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, as Romans 9:24-26 says: ….in the very place that Israel [ethnic] were told they were no children of Mine, there they, [Christians] shall be called Sons of the Living God.

    A statement made from desperation.
    God does control the outcomes of wars, etc. for His own purposes. He has helped the Jews, I know that and I also know that the Jews never acknowledge that help.
    The Jewish State of Israel is the visible entity of Israel today, while God works with the real Israelites, scattered among the nations. This situation is about to change and soon God will have what He always wanted, but has never had; His faithful people in His holy Land, being His witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

    Want to come along? Or do you just want to go direct to heaven, without passing go? 'Go' in this case is the great test by fire that 1 Peter 4:12 and over 100 other prophesies inform us about.
    Actually you and everybody do not have any choice in this, God will do what His has plainly told us He will. Jeremiah 4:28
  18. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    Just one minor problem with your suggestion. The prophecies of Revelation is not about 70 AD.

    Also this, there won't be any solder's alive to take any captives. All the soldiers from a portion of the 200 million invading army that attacks Jerusalem will be dead. Their blood outside the city of Jerusalem will reach 180 miles in length up to 5 feet in height.

    Revelation 14:20 New Living Translation (NLT)
    The grapes were trampled in the winepress outside the city, and blood flowed from the winepress in a stream about 180 miles long and as high as a horse’s bridle.

    And Jesus did tells them to flee in the Olivet Discourse: Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 17 & 21. And they will heed His warning and flee in time before the destruction hits.

    It's already prophesied in Zechariah, the Jewish people will flee. The one half in Jerusalem that flee and survive are the Jews. The other half that stays in the city and perish are the Palestinians who will get East Jerusalem as their capital after Trump's peace plan.

    Zechariah 14:2-5 New Living Translation (NLT)
    2 I will gather all the nations to fight against Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the population will be taken into captivity, and the rest will be left among the ruins of the city.

    3 Then the Lord will go out to fight against those nations, as he has fought in times past. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem. And the Mount of Olives will split apart, making a wide valley running from east to west. Half the mountain will move toward the north and half toward the south. 5 You will flee through this valley, for it will reach across to Azal. Yes, you will flee as you did from the earthquake in the days of King Uzziah of Judah. Then the Lord my God will come, and all his holy ones with him.

    By the way, do you know what that earthquake is the bible is speaking of? It's from the detonation of a nuclear bomb. Many of the great quakes mentioned in prophecy are from a nuclear blast.

    The camera that shot this footage was taken 50 miles away from ground zero. Feel the trembling from the quake a few seconds after detonation? Most of the quakes prophesied about the end time are not natural quakes, they're from nuclear weapons.

    Jeremiah 30:4-8 King James Version (KJV)
    4 And these are the words that the Lord spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
    5 For thus saith the Lord; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
    6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
    7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.
    8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:

    Jeremiah 30:4-8 is a parallel scripture with a little more detail.

    In verse 5, they heard the explosion and felt the trembling from the bomb.

    In verse 6, panic strikes everyone that witness the event. By now they ALL will flee like all hell just broke loose.

    In verse 8, their enemies destroy and no longer will they be able to enslave them.

    Isaiah 29:1-8 Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
    God Punishes Jerusalem
    29 God says, “Look at Ariel, the city where David camped. Keep on having your festivals, year after year. 2 But I will punish Ariel. The city will be filled with sadness and crying, but it will always be my Ariel.

    3 “I will put armies all around you, Ariel. I will raise war towers against you. 4 You will be pulled to the ground. Your voice will rise from the ground like the voice of a ghost. Your words come like a whisper from the dirt.”

    5 There will be so many foreigners that they will be like dust. Cruel people will be like the chaff blowing in the wind. Then suddenly, 6 the Lord All-Powerful will punish you with earthquakes, thunder, and loud noises. There will be storms, strong winds, and a burning, destructive fire. 7 Many nations will fight against Ariel. It will be a nightmare. Armies will surround Ariel and punish her.8 But it will also be like a dream to those armies. They will not get what they want. It will be like a hungry man dreaming about food. When the man wakes up, he is still hungry. It will be like a thirsty man dreaming about water. When the man wakes up, he is still thirsty. The same thing is true about all the nations fighting against Zion. Those nations will not get what they want.

    Isaiah 29:1-8 NKJV;ERV;NLT - Woe to Jerusalem - “Woe to Ariel, to - Bible Gateway

    A large portion of the beast's 200 million army suddenly got wiped out. There won't be any captives because the invading army is dead, bloodshed 180 miles long and 5 feet deep.

    Full preterism is not allowed on CF Little Lamb.
  19. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    I'm not talking about that Douggg, I'm referring to your rationale comparing it to the holocaust when Israel is clearly not at peace at this point.

    Next topic. Have you seen the news about what's happening with the EU? There won't be a EU around someday soon. This makes it very hard to prove the beast's empire coming from Europe.

    Doug Casey Says the EU’s Collapse Is Now “Imminent”
    Doug Casey Says the EU’s Collapse Is Now “Imminent” - International Man

    What might trigger the collapse of the EU?
    What might trigger the collapse of the EU?

    Le Maire: EU ‘falling apart before our eyes’

    The EU could collapse in the same way the Soviet Union did, George Soros warns
    The EU could collapse in the same way the Soviet Union did, George Soros warns

    The European Union will collapse
    Geopolitics | The European Union will collapse
  20. Seville90210

    Seville90210 Psalm 118:26

    United States
    Well this is an easy answer. It's because your time line is off course. Zechariah 14 is not a prophecy of Revelation 19. The parallel scripture to to Zechariah 14 in the book of Revelation is found in Revelation 14.

    Douggg, why is Jesus' robe covered with blood mentioned in Revelation 19:13?

    Revelation 19:13 King James Version (KJV)
    And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.


    Douggg, why is Jesus fighting God's enemies alone in Isaiah 63 when in Revelation 19 He comes with the armies of heaven?

    Isaiah 63:1-4 New Living Translation (NLT)
    1 Who is this who comes from Edom,
    from the city of Bozrah,
    with his clothing stained red?
    Who is this in royal robes,
    marching in his great strength?

    “It is I, the Lord, announcing your salvation!
    It is I, the Lord, who has the power to save!”

    2 Why are your clothes so red,
    as if you have been treading out grapes?

    3 “I have been treading the winepress alone;
    no one was there to help me.
    In my anger I have trampled my enemies
    as if they were grapes.
    In my fury I have trampled my foes.
    Their blood has stained my clothes.
    4 For the time has come for me to avenge my people,
    to ransom them from their oppressors.

    Ever wondered if your idea of the second coming is off based? Ever wondered if maybe the western church's interpretation of the second coming could be wrong?

    There's many scriptures in the old testament that tells us His return is nothing like what we've been told.

    Again, Revelation 19 is not the same event as Zechariah 14. You're analyzing Zechariah 14 using Revelation 19. That's like trying to figure the female anatomy looking at pictures of a guy, not knowing the differences beforehand. And yes, it is a nuclear bomb that will hit Jerusalem during the AoD. Other OT scriptures tells us this.