Why do you say that?At which point the GOP will be sure to shut down the DMV in minority areas.
Here is an interesting thought. If someone doesn't have the basic documents required to get an ID, what makes you think that they will have the basic documents to validate their covid vaccination passport that may be required to vote in person? Is the requirement for covid passport to vote (as some suggest may be required) not produce the same problems as a simple id?You should have read just a bit further down the page. If it’s not a birth certificate, it’s another document they are unlikely to have. And this discussion isn’t limited to Georgia. I had to have a birth certificate to get an ID in Oregon. I’ve never served in the military and didn’t have a passport.
What do you need to get an ID in Georgia?
Most residents will need a Secure ID, Georgia’s REAL ID-compliant option. As such, the documents needed for state ID include any one of the following forms of primary identification:
- A U.S. passport or passport card (valid or expired less than 10 years)
- An original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate or a Consular Report of Birth Abroad
- A DHS Certificate of Naturalization (form N-550 or N-570)
- A DHS Certificate of Citizenship (form N-560 or N-561)
- SSA Numident Records or Original US Military Discharge Papers (applies only to applicants born before January 1, 1940)
Edit: AND many people can’t get or find their birth certificate because of bad record keeping, particularly older black people. I think I’ve already mentioned this?
Why are older black people worse at record keeping than, let's say, older white people? It sounds like you don't have very high expectations for black folk in general. Like we need assistance from white folk to take care of our basic needs.You should have read just a bit further down the page. If it’s not a birth certificate, it’s another document they are unlikely to have. And this discussion isn’t limited to Georgia. I had to have a birth certificate to get an ID in Oregon. I’ve never served in the military and didn’t have a passport.
What do you need to get an ID in Georgia?
Most residents will need a Secure ID, Georgia’s REAL ID-compliant option. As such, the documents needed for state ID include any one of the following forms of primary identification:
- A U.S. passport or passport card (valid or expired less than 10 years)
- An original or certified copy of a U.S. birth certificate or a Consular Report of Birth Abroad
- A DHS Certificate of Naturalization (form N-550 or N-570)
- A DHS Certificate of Citizenship (form N-560 or N-561)
- SSA Numident Records or Original US Military Discharge Papers (applies only to applicants born before January 1, 1940)
Edit: AND many people can’t get or find their birth certificate because of bad record keeping, particularly older black people. I think I’ve already mentioned this?
Its the recordkeeping at the courthouse, etc., not the recordkeeping of individuals who don’t have a birth certificate. Slow down, dude.Why are older black people worse at record keeping than, let's say, older white people? It sounds like you don't have very high expectations for black folk in general. Like we need assistance from white folk to take care of our basic needs.
What on earth are you talking about? Are you saying that courthouse intentionally misplace vital records for black people? You're the one who said that old black people are particularly bad at finding birth certificates.Its the recordkeeping at the courthouse, etc., not the recordkeeping of individuals who don’t have a birth certificate. Slow down, dude.
Back in the 90s, I had to help my mother get her birth certificate from Arkansas. I called the county she was born in and asked the clerk.
The woman was very polite, but she searched and searched...no birth certificate for my mother could be found. She asked me to call back the next day, while she would continue to look.
The next day...she still couldn't find it. Nor had she found it the day after that.
Finally, she hesitated a moment and then asked, "Pardon me for asking...but is your mother black?"
I said, "Yes."
She said, "Oh!" Then five minutes later: "I found it!"
The birth certificates in that county were still separated by race (at least those dating back to when they were separated by race).
Also in the 90s, I had the opportunity to do some community service in Montgomery, Alabama, that involved a young elementary school teacher and I going through old county school records stored in stacks and stacks of boxes, putting them in order so a team could properly file them. We had spent most of the day working on the records when we finally got to one of the boxes in the very back of the room. After a while as we tallied the records in that box, the young teacher, a white woman from North Dakota, suddenly noticed that all of them had listed the race as "colored"...which hadn't been noted in any of the other boxes, but was consistent on all the records in this box.
I had already noticed that...and I understood why, which I had to explain to the young lady. I also already knew that in those years, such school records were the only records black people often had.
I suspect there are lots of birth certificate issues for many people who were born in rural areas fifty or more years ago, and particularly if they were the records of blacks stuck in a separate box.
Is the GOP control of voting areas?Based on past experience.
Yet the vast majority of blacks are in favor of voter identification requirements. Why would the vast majority of blacks be in favor of disproportionately hurting the black community?
@Sparagmos again I ask for a third time. Please explain why the vast majority of black voters support laws that disproportionately disenfranchise them?
Get a Georgia State ID CardThere is a difference between 'finding' and 'obtaining'.
Simple question. I hear from many people that voter ID laws are wrong because voting is a constitutional right. But owning a firearm is a constitutional right too. So why is it wrong to require photo identification to vote but not wrong to require a photo identification (and background check) to own a firearm? I would love to someone to explain that to me
Just because there is no perfect way does not mean we should not try, these methods are effective but not perfect. What I mean by asking questions is asking them some of their registration information and then comparing that to the rest of their registration information. I don't see how that is harder for minorities to do than for non minorities.Notaries cost money, and they are unreliable. Asking questions can be slanted to make it harder for certain demographics to pass, ie Jim Crow. Etc.
No, a lot of times the organizers to get a permit must show ID for some situations.Are you saying we have to show ID to attend a protest?