I think I answered your points regarding:
a) that regulations are not meant to limit cruelty
- they are, as proved by the EU regulations, for example
- if you want to limit this topic only to the specific country/state/area you live in, then say so, but thats on you, people who live there, to change your legislature
b) that veganism is healthy or natural
- it is not, its a poor, emergency-like diet and not sustainable for the majority of people, either because of financial reasons or because a need to have more proteins and fats than in normal fruit and vegetables (and no, you cannot give avocados or soy to billions of people every day)
- even children do not want vegetables and our natural diet was not vegan, ever
- you must import exotic kinds of vegetables/fruit that are not natural to your area, to have at least some basic nutrition from them for a longer term (the ecological impact of such transportation is significant)
c) that veganism is biblical
- it is not, since Abel to today, livestock was a common part of biblical nations, even God is depicted as a shepherd in the Bible
- some individuals might be vegan, like your supposed Daniel (I think the text is more about the pagan diet of the king than about veganism as such, though) or Christians in the Roman empire who did not want to eat meat sacrificed to idols, but its not a rule for the rest of us
I agree with you that cruelty and suffering of animals is a valid moral concern and I also try to limit meat consumption as much as possible, preferring poultry before mammals, buying bio animal products from smaller farms and vegan substitutes from time to time. And believe me, they are very expensive (and I am not poor, I am a middle class).
However, we must be realistic and look for some balance. What suits your diet individually is a different thing from a world wide solution. You may have good results on a vegan diet, some other on a carnivore diet, most people on a balanced diet. Our gut microbiome, immunity, allergies etc differ from person to person.
According to your very own argument Americans should all be out marching in protest against animal agricultural industry. I would not be against that. It is reason itself for many who are protesting as consumers not buying things that are products or having products from that. But I do not really believe even European industry is avoiding issues of abuse to animals. I seem to recall there was an issue with shipped animals in the news...
Eating whole foods from plants IS healthy and natural. The Bible shows that was what God provided from the beginning, views of a return to that is depicted in prophecy, and would you really have me believe there is suffering and slaughter of any creatures in Heaven? That really is not shown, and I can't expect that.
I am poor, you did not even know. I get whole foods mostly from the produce section in the store where I go, and I am getting what is absolutely most affordable to me. Forget arguing about restaurants, I don't go to any. But I am really happy with my meals I make myself, and do not have the weight on my conscience that animals had to suffer for my demands for what I eat. And, I never get soy, and rarely would get avocado, it is not a favorite of mine. And too bad, you just do not know vegan children. Yes there are those you have not met.
Why do you think I would want the same nutrition as you? I don't, I want healthier nutrition. Not the high sugar levels or added salt, and not the animal fats. And not the pus with it. Not the **** that comes along from what is left on animal carcasses in the industry. Not the hormones. And not stuff to eat with blood still in it which it was cooked with, which disobey what God said directly. Whole food from plants is healthier and a normal variety, with beans or other legumes and whole grains included will have a way of eating with all the nutrients available that way. Eating a little seaweed from the store once in while rounds out the way to have needed minerals. And what is exotic that I get, unless banana counts for that.
Again, as shown before:
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And for what is biblical, you started right off with Abel!! Do you not realize Abel lived before God said anything understood to be permission for having meat from animals? If he used animals for food, he would not have been obedient to God, which the Bible depicts him as being. And it was not actually said Abel killed an animal. Why would Abel chance doing something contrary to God's design that God was not asking for.
Daniel and his friends were healthy, as I would expect, but those then did not expect, when they were not eating things from animals and eating from vegetables instead. That was the point. Of course I know they were avoiding impurity of idolatrous Babylonian fare, and they were not doing so to be vegan, though they remained eating that way, that was irrelevant to the point made about it.
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