Vaccine Failure in Antarctica

[bekkilyn]

For centuries there has existed the idea of peer-review, which is a process whereby proposed scientific information from any source is subject to the rigors of consensus.

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"Professional peer review focuses on the performance of professionals, with a view to improving quality, upholding standards, or providing certification. In academia, peer review is used to inform decisions related to faculty advancement and tenure. Henry Oldenburg (1619–1677) was a German-born British philosopher who is seen as the 'father' of modern scientific peer review.

A prototype professional peer-review process was recommended in the Ethics of the Physician written by Ishāq ibn ʻAlī al-Ruhāwī (854–931). He stated that a visiting physician had to make duplicate notes of a patient's condition on every visit. When the patient was cured or had died, the notes of the physician were examined by a local medical council of other physicians, who would decide whether the treatment had met the required standards of medical care.

It's not new ...

None of the above has anything to do with what I said.

 

[Aldebaran]

I just wonder what the medical consensus would be if the powers-that-be hadn't been spending so much time suppressing whatever didn't go along with the desired narrative. Rather, we are told that we have no choice but to completely trust without question the experts that are associated with big pharma along with politicians who are obviously in their pockets. It amazes me that so many don't see the obvious conflicts of interest.

It just goes to show that suppression of new ideas and solutions that aren't from the biggest Pharmas on the block doesn't allow those new ideas or solutions to come to fruition. "Science" has suddenly become a closed book.

 

[Aldebaran]

While I don't disbelieve that doctors would never be proscribed for practicing in a way that is disapproved by the majority medical community, I don't believe that a false unity is so entrenched as to totally preclude legitimate consensus.

The medical community also has a lot going for it in terms of past accomplishments to improve human health. The past century is replete with examples of medical advances which advanced the prolonging and the enjoyment of human life. One of those advances was the use of vaccines. Vaccines eliminated small pox, polio, and mumps, measles, and chicken pox in the US.

I believe that such a heritage is worth putting my trust in ...

Sure, back in the days when a vaccine was studied long term before being administered to the public. That's how we got vaccines that resulted in the near-eradication of diseases that had killed millions. The vaccines we get today are whipped up within months, and then used as political tools to control the public, even to the point of deciding who gets to have a job and who doesn't, and deciding who gets to voice their views on social media, and who doesn't.
The old standard was better.

 

[Aldebaran]

Of course you have a choice. If you want these non-approved medicines, I'm sure that you can find someone to provide it.

First of all, that "someone" may or may not be found. Even if they are, they shouldn't have to provide those medications at the risk of losing their career.
Also, a doctor shouldn't have to be found to provide them. A patient should simply be able to trust their own doctor to provide the medication that they believe to be the most effective rather than the one that is least likely to cause them professional trouble.

 

[expos4ever]

There are studies that show that vaccines do not work,...

What studies?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

What studies?

NEW STUDIES: Covid Vaccines Do Not Prevent Infection, Spread… They Simply Do Not Work As Claimed

The three studies Pierpont looked at included one from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), another from the University of Oxford, and the last from the U.K. Department of Health & Social Care.

Each study revealed in its own way that people who get jabbed for the Fauci Flu are actually worse off than people who skip the jab and opt for natural immunity instead.

The CDC study found that the vast majority of new “cases” of the virus are presenting in people who took the jabs. The Oxford study identified the same, though specifically in a health care setting.

https://www.citizensjournal.us/new-studies-covid-vaccines-do-not-prevent-infection-spread-they-simply-do-not-work-as-claimed/

 

[ThisIsMe123]

NEW STUDIES: Covid Vaccines Do Not Prevent Infection, Spread… They Simply Do Not Work As Claimed

In other news water is wet. The point of the vaccine is NOT to prevent infection, but to keep Covid from killing you.

Of course, you knew this already.

 

[Aldebaran]

In other news water is wet. The point of the vaccine is NOT to prevent infection, but to keep Covid from killing you.

Of course, you knew this already.

Are you saying you can't die of Covid if you're vaccinated?

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Are you saying you can't die of Covid if you're vaccinated?

I am saying it can help prevent death and hospitalization. But that's been repeated ad nauseum here.

 

[Taodeching]

In other news water is wet. The point of the vaccine is NOT to prevent infection, but to keep Covid from killing you.

Some are having a hard time understanding this so they must rely on falsehoods. Maybe though they don't know how to understand what you have said, they maybe completely incapable.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Some are having a hard time understanding this so they must rely on falsehoods. Maybe though they don't know how to understand what you have said, they maybe completely incapable.

It's called willful ignorance.

 

[Original Happy Camper]

In other news water is wet. The point of the vaccine is NOT to prevent infection, but to keep Covid from killing you.

Of course, you knew this already

only because after many years the current administration changed the definition.

Of course, you knew this already

 

[ThisIsMe123]

only because after many years the current administration changed the definition.

Of course, you knew this already

No. I have no idea what you're talking about. Definition...of what?

 

[com7fy8]

If vaccines are what is supposedly making the new variants mostly harmless, then why has South Africa, which has a low vaccination rate (26.7%) and gave birth to and seen the greatest and longest impact from Omicron also seen no real increases in deaths?

Well, if Omicron is easier on people, it would have fewer deaths, including in unvaccinated people. So, though, a lot of Delta sicknesses possibly would have caused a lot more trouble in South Africa.

Omicron is, quite likely, a positive development. Its appearance has nothing to do with the vaccination program.

It is many times more contagious than the previous variants, but doesn't cause as serious disease.

So . . . it could spread fast, but not kill as many people as earlier COVID strains have.

And what if Omicron causes some amount of immunity against other strains? Getting vaccinated by Omicron might help, for ones who do not want to get shots. Maybe, then, Omicron vaccinated the unvaccinated in South Africa, so they did not get killed by worse strains.

Has this been discussed officially? Maybe Omicron is part of an anti-vax conspiracy.

 

[A_Thinker]

Maybe Omicron is part of an anti-vax conspiracy.

How would that be so ?

 

[Original Happy Camper]

No. I have no idea what you're talking about. Definition...of what?

vaccine

Of course, you knew this already

 

[ThisIsMe123]

Well, if Omicron is easier on people, it would have fewer deaths, including in unvaccinated people. So, though, a lot of Delta sicknesses possibly would have caused a lot more trouble in South Africa.So . . . it could spread fast, but not kill as many people as earlier COVID strains have.

And what if Omicron causes some amount of immunity against other strains? Getting vaccinated by Omicron might help, for ones who do not want to get shots. Maybe, then, Omicron vaccinated the unvaccinated in South Africa, so they did not get killed by worse strains.

Has this been discussed officially? Maybe Omicron is part of an anti-vax conspiracy.

However....there is a possibly of future variants that may be worse than Omicron. the faster it spreads, the more opportunity for mutation.

Expect more worrisome variants after omicron, scientists say | AP News

There is this theory that as Omicron spread, it'll lead to an even lesser and lesser disease causing variant....that MAY be the case, but that also may not be the case.

“People have wondered whether the virus will evolve to mildness. But there’s no particular reason for it to do so,” he said. “I don’t think we can be confident that the virus will become less lethal over time.”

Also note:

Experts say the virus won’t become endemic like the flu as long as global vaccination rates are so low. During a recent press conference, WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said that protecting people from future variants — including those that may be fully resistant to today’s shots — depends on ending global vaccine inequity.

 

[com7fy8]

Maybe Omicron is part of an anti-vax conspiracy.

How would that be so ?

I meant that facetiously.

Of course, even if the Omicron one was engineered . . .

However....there is a possibly of future variants that may be worse than Omicron. the faster it spreads, the more opportunity for mutation.

And you say there could be weaker and weaker variants.

Actually, it seems ones are saying it is stickier so it holds onto the wall of the bronchiole so it does not go deep into the lungs where immune overreaction could cause deep inflammation and therefore the lethal breathing trouble.

So, may be it attracts immune reaction, but not where the reaction can jam up your breathing. But that does produce some immunity, I would say, to the spike proteins which COVID uses to attach inside the body.

So . . . it seems Omicron itself is not really harsh or mild, but the body's reaction can tend to not be so self-destructive, though it could be reacting to the same antigens that ones have in other strains. It's just stickier by having more spikes, perhaps, so it grabs on before going where the reaction could be much worse, down deeper.

 

[expos4ever]

NEW STUDIES: Covid Vaccines Do Not Prevent Infection, Spread… They Simply Do Not Work As Claimed

You are moving the goalposts. You said the vaccines do not work. Even if they do not reduce transmission, they reduce serious illness. Which is their main purpose.

The vaccines work. Period. End of story.

 

[expos4ever]

https://www.citizensjournal.us/new-studies-covid-vaccines-do-not-prevent-infection-spread-they-simply-do-not-work-as-claimed/

Your site is not credible.

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