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Actually that first group of dead people to resurrect to life in Revelation 20 are spared the woe of the second death because they are judged to life, their names being in the book of life, and are resurrected into immortal bodies. "the rest of the dead" who do not resurrect with that first group will have to wait until after the thousand years has ended to resurrect and it's known as the resurrection of damnation.

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" Revelation 20:5

So, it's a blessing to resurrect before the thousand years begins. It is bad for those who have to wait for the resurrection that comes after the thousand years has ended because it is a resurrection of damnation:

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"

Can you give me any supporting Scripture relating to your opinion of Rev 20 for two resurrection days and two judgment days separated by 1000 years+ after the second coming?
 
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Can you give me any supporting Scripture relating to your opinion of Rev 20 for two resurrection days and two judgment days separated by 1000 years+ after the second coming?

I have already proven there are two resurrections and there is a judgment related to both of those. I have used multiple scriptures to prove that. As for the specific number of years inbetween the two resurrections, that is only mentioned in Revelation 20. The other passages make clear there are two resurrections but they don't tell us how much time happens between the two.
 
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I have already proven there are two resurrections and there is a judgment related to both of those. I have used multiple scriptures to prove that. As for the specific number of years inbetween the two resurrections, that is only mentioned in Revelation 20. The other passages make clear there are two resurrections but they don't tell us how much time happens between the two.

Ok. You have clearly nothing. That is one of numerous reasons why Premil is extra-biblical.

Is there anywhere in Scripture that talks about "resurrection days" (plural) or "judgement days" (plural)?
 
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Ok. You have clearly nothing. That is one of numerous reasons why Premil is extra-biblical.

Premillennialism is not extra-biblical. It is Amillennialism that claims all resurrect at the same time yet all relative passages show there are not only two resurrections but the saved are resurrected first, and the unsaved resurrecting second/last which matches perfectly to the two resurrections found in Revelation 20. For those who want to see those passages, just see my previous posts in this thread.
 
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Premillennialism is not extra-biblical. It is Amillennialism that claims all resurrect at the same time yet all relative passages show there are not only two resurrections but the saved are resurrected first, and the unsaved resurrecting second/last which matches perfectly to the two resurrections found in Revelation 20. For those who want to see those passages, just see my previous posts in this thread.

Rev 20 starts at the one-and-only first resurrection of Christ and finishes at the one final future coming of Christ. Repeated Scripture shows a general resurrection and a general judgment- thus exposing Premil.
 
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Premillennialism is not extra-biblical. It is Amillennialism that claims all resurrect at the same time yet all relative passages show there are not only two resurrections but the saved are resurrected first, and the unsaved resurrecting second/last which matches perfectly to the two resurrections found in Revelation 20. For those who want to see those passages, just see my previous posts in this thread.

Is there anywhere in Scripture that talks about "resurrection days" (plural) or "judgement days" (plural)?
 
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Is there anywhere in Scripture that talks about "resurrection days" (plural) or "judgement days" (plural)?


Yes. Revelation 20 shows a resurrection day and judgment happening before the thousand years and one happening after the thousand years where "the rest of the dead" are raised and judged who were not raised with the first to resurrect. That's two different resurrection/judgment days separated by a long period of time.
 
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Yes. Revelation 20 shows a resurrection day and judgment happening before the thousand years and one happening after the thousand years where "the rest of the dead" are raised and judged who were not raised with the first to resurrect. That's two different resurrection/judgment days separated by a long period of time.

You have nothing, apart from your faulty opinion of Rev 20. That is why Premil should be totally rejected. Rev 20 supports the Amil position and agrees with the rest of Scripture.
 
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The texts that describe the rapture show it to be a literal moving of people from one place to another, which is exactly what happens everytime harpazo is used. There is zero evidence to support a figurative rapture.
Again, you're saying it's symbolic because it's literal. That's not evidence.
 
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Why would any one die physically twice?

The only reason would be they still had a task to complete on earth.

Having said that, I think Lazarus with all the other OT church ascended on Sunday after Jesus had talked to Mary. The first person to physically die of the NT church was the thief on the Cross. He died a few hours after Jesus said it was finished. His soul went to Paradise. If Paradise is in the 1st Heaven, then that is where the church is.
So if Lazarus ( and the others ) went to heaven without having died a second time, then that would require them to have been resurrected in spiritual bodies, as described in 1 Corinthians 15, because only spiritual bodies can enter into heaven. Is that what you're saying happened?
 
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Premillennialism is not extra-biblical. It is Amillennialism that claims all resurrect at the same time yet all relative passages show there are not only two resurrections but the saved are resurrected first, and the unsaved resurrecting second/last which matches perfectly to the two resurrections found in Revelation 20. For those who want to see those passages, just see my previous posts in this thread.
You're missing something. Nowhere in scripture does it say that the second resurrection is only for the wicked. Therefore, it can (and does) include both the wicked and the righteous.
 
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You're missing something. Nowhere in scripture does it say that the second resurrection is only the wicked. Therefore, it can (and does) include both the wicked and the righteous.


At the same time it doesn't describe anyone who is righteous being judged there. Since we know the dead in Christ rise first, and that does not include any of the unsaved we know that all the righteous are resurrected in the first resurrection which proves the second resurrection is only for the wicked. No surprise there since those unsaved people come from places like death and hell to be judged. Also, the only result of that day of judgment is punishment of the LOF. No one is shown being rewarded. We only see punishment there.

Remember that in all related passages, we see the righteous resurrected and judged first, followed later by the unrighteous. Never is there a resurrection and judgment where the righteous and unrighteous are judged and resurrected at the same time.

You can see this for yourself:

Revelation 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest of the dead have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This also proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrection separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

Part of the dead resurrect and then "the rest of the dead" will resurrect after a period of time. That's the dead resurrecting in two parts separated by a period of time.


The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.




Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

First group resurrection: "to everlasting life"
Second group resurrection: "to shame and everlasting contempt"


Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

First group resurrection: "resurrection of life"
Second group resurrection: "the resurrection of damnation"



What we learn from both verses is that there are two resurrections. One resurrection is to life and the other resurrection is to damnation and contempt. Two resurrections! Never is there a single resurrection of both righteous and unrighteous at the same time.
 
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Never is there a resurrection and judgment where the righteous and unrighteous are judged and resurrected at the same time.

There are actually three references in scripture to a single resurrection for both the righteous and the wicked.

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will (soon) be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28-29
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
 
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There are actually three references in scripture to a single resurrection for both the righteous and the wicked.

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will (soon) be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

John 5:28-29
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

Daniel 12:2
Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.


All those speak of two separate resurrections with the righteous always resurrecting first. Revelation 20 is the only passage that tells us how much time is inbetween the two resurrections. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" proves one part of those who are dead have to wait before resurrecting. There's no way to get around that.
 
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All those speak of two separate resurrections with the righteous always resurrecting first. Revelation 20 is the only passage that tells us how much time is inbetween the two resurrections. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" proves one part of those who are dead have to wait before resurrecting. There's no way to get around that.
Perhaps you missed it, so I'll post them again but this time I'll clearly highlight in red the parts that prove they are each talking of a single resurrection.

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will (soon) be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

"A resurrection of both..." (not two resurrections)

John 5:28-29
“Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”

"the hour in which..." (not two hours)

Daniel 12:2
But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.

"at that time, multitudes will awake..." (not two times)

Hope that helps.
 
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All those speak of two separate resurrections with the righteous always resurrecting first. Revelation 20 is the only passage that tells us how much time is inbetween the two resurrections. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" proves one part of those who are dead have to wait before resurrecting. There's no way to get around that.

That is not true, and you know it. You have zero corroboration.
 
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Perhaps you missed it, so I'll post them again but this time I'll clearly highlight in red the parts that prove they are each talking of a single resurrection.

Acts 24:15
and I have the same hope in God as these men themselves have, that there will (soon) be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked.

"A resurrection of both..." (not two resurrections)

Yes, that's still two resurrections as proven by all the examples I have already cited. "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" proves one part of those who are dead have to wait before resurrecting. There's no way to get around that.
 
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That is not true, and you know it.

Please don't suggest I am willingly lying. What I have said is true, and it's there in Revelation 20 for anyone to see.
 
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Please don't suggest I am willingly lying. What I have said is true, and it's there in Revelation 20 for anyone to see.

Check this out as to which comes first. Its there for all to see. Let the Lord speak.

Weeds among Wheat
24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and left. 26 And when the wheat sprouted and produced grain, then the weeds also became evident. 27 And the slaves of the landowner came and said to him, ‘Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have weeds?’ 28 And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves *said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’ 29 But he *said, ‘No; while you are gathering up the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them.

30 Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and at the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather up the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them; but gather the wheat into my barn.”’”
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40 So just as the weeds are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and they will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. The one who has ears, let him hear.

Allow the Lord to teach you.
 
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Check this out as to which comes first. Its there for all to see. Let the Lord speak.


The unsaved are dealt with first in that passage but that's not the timeframe of the resurrection. That passage is the timeframe of the GWTJ when the unsaved are judged and cast into the LOF before the immortal saints enter the NHNE (the barn).
 
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