Universal Resurrection

[ewq1938]

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

 

[sovereigngrace]

According to you. You did not write the Bible.

Revelation 20 is not a doctrine. It is a portion of God's Word that you chose to interpret as you see fit.

Yes, and it proves Amil. Your theory carries zero corroboration.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

Once again you avoid the Scripture which shows that Jesus is the first resurrection, and which negates Premil.

 

[ewq1938]

Once again you avoid the Scripture which shows that Jesus is the first resurrection, and which negates Premil.

Jesus is not the first resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20. The first resurrection there is the first group of the dead that resurrect.

 

[sovereigngrace]

Jesus is not the first resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20. The first resurrection there is the first group of the dead that resurrect.

It does not say "the first group of the dead that resurrect." It says: "the first resurrection."

Who is "the first resurrection" in Acts 26:23?

Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?

Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?

Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

 

[ewq1938]

It does not say "the first group of the dead that resurrect." It says: "the first resurrection."

And it is the first part of the dead that are resurrected. "the rest of the dead" is the remaining amount of the dead that did not resurrect with the first group and they are resurrected a thousand years after the first group were resurrected.

 

[sovereigngrace]

And it is the first part of the dead that are resurrected. "the rest of the dead" is the remaining amount of the dead that did not resurrect with the first group and they are resurrected a thousand years after the first group were resurrected.

There is only one first resurrection. Any after that is a second ... etc. Believers have their part in that through union with Christ. This is a spiritual reality. But there is a physical resurrection coming that is unique and distinct to the first in time and substance, but inextricably linked to it spiritual through our union to Christ. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[ewq1938]

There is only one first resurrection. Any after that is a second ... etc.

Not so. In Revelation 20 there are two groups of the dead resurrecting. The first group is the first of those two groups. The second group is the "rest of the dead" which re those who weren't a part of the first group.

Christ being the first to resurrect to immortality is a completely different thing.

There are different "first resurrections"

1. the first bodily resurrection of a dead person being raised back to life in the OT.
2. the first bodily resurrection of a dead person being raised back to life in the NT.
3. the bodily resurrection of Christ.
4. the first of two mass bodily resurrections described in Rev 20.

Context will dictate which of these 4 any certain scripture refers to. Applying all of them to the resurrection of Christ is clear error.

 

[grafted branch]

There are different "first resurrections"

You missed one.

3. the bodily resurrection of Christ.

3.5 Matthew 27:52-53 many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

4. the first of two mass bodily resurrections described in Rev 20.

 

[Timtofly]

Yes, and it proves Amil. Your theory carries zero corroboration.

So the text is useless?

Only your private man made interpretation, which claims the opposite of the text, counts?

And you claim I make stuff up?

Words on a page mean nothing to you, but your interpretation is all you have to go by.

 

[Timtofly]

Once again you avoid the Scripture which shows that Jesus is the first resurrection, and which negates Premil.

The Cross has nothing to do with eschatology, unless you are a Sadducee. They deny stuff like amil do. The first resurrection is a type, physical. It is a constant ongoing process for all in Christ. It is not a one time event after existence ceases. Revelation 20:4 has nothing to do with the church one bit. The physical resurrection of many humans is necessary to populate the earth, no matter when you claim it happens (after the NHNE). It is definitely not a current process, because the church is the current process. Amil move reality around, because of this need to have a contradictory theology that denies a time set apart Holy to God. They deny the Sabbath, where no sin will exist in the world.

 

[Timtofly]

There is only one first resurrection. Any after that is a second ... etc. Believers have their part in that through union with Christ. This is a spiritual reality. But there is a physical resurrection coming that is unique and distinct to the first in time and substance, but inextricably linked to it spiritual through our union to Christ. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.

It is not difficult for a carnal mind. It is also not based on any Scripture whatsoever.

The flesh really does not want to die, but it will be cast into the lake of fire and never die. The flesh will make up any excuse to come back to life, which is the doctrine of amil. They hold strongly to sinful flesh being once again brought out of the dust, even if it is just to be burned up in the Lake of Fire.

Jesus is not the God of the dead. Satan is the lord of the dead. Jesus is the Lord of living breathing incorruptible body humans redeemed in His blood shed on the Cross. The first resurrection is physical, a type, not a when.

If amil can convince enough people of a physical General resurrection at the end of time, they can do away entirely the physical reign of Christ on earth with an iron rod.

Jesus already proved that His voice can raise the dead prior to Him even dying on the Cross with the physical resurrection of Lazarus. There is no general last day voice resurrection. It happens constantly and on an ongoing basis for all in Christ. Christ is gathering a physical church in Paradise right now. Jesus is not waiting for some future General Last Day Resurrection.

Those who physically reject Christ now and all in the past, starting with Adam, who died in their sin, will stand before God and give a spiritual reason why they should not be cast into the Lake of Fire at the GWT. That is generally not a physical resurrection, but a second death sentence. God's grace does not stop, but the condition of each soul is hard to predict. Some will remain dogmatic to their own cause, even if that means life in the Lake of Fire.

 

[BrotherJJ]

Hi,

The bible says there will be a Universal Resurrection of the dead and living when Jesus returns.

Can someone please explain how it works.

Is it Jesus who will resurrect everyone at His Second Coming?

And how come it says a 1000 year period?
Is that the New Heaven/Earth (remade Universe)?

And does that happen after the Universal Resurrection?

Thank you for any clarification!

From my perspective,

Acts 24:15 And have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
(MY NOTE: Resurrection of BOTH the just & unjust.

1 Cor 15:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
(NOTE: Christ raised 1st - Done)

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(NOTE: Adams sin receives the death sentence, for himself & ALL humanity. Christ's sin payment will provide EVERY human that died to partake in a resurrection. Some thru faith in Jesus sin atoning payment & resurrection to eternal life with God & Those that reject God & His Christ's payment eternal separation from their creator God)

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(NOTE: Everybody dies & EVERYBODY will be resurrected.)

Jn 5:
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

BTW just after Jesus was raised many OT believers were also resurrected (Matt 27:50-54). They will forever live in His presents.

When Jesus physically returns His 1000 yr reign begins (Zec chapter 14, Rev 19:11-15, 20:1-8.)

After the 1000 yrs there will be the White Throne Judgment (Rev 20:11-13) Non-believers only. ALL that rejected God's offer of forgiveness until life's end/death, will be resurrected, judged via the (Deut 28:14-60) law & forever separated from the Lords presents.

What's the litmus test for sin - The LAW (Deut 28:14-60)

The people at the White Throne Judgment that rejected Christ's redemptive sin atonement. Having no cover/cloak for sin (Jn 15:22) they are judged without mercy according to every jot & tittle of the Law (Deut 28:14-60).

Everything they've ever done or said, has been "RECORDED". Every idle word ever spoken, is judged. End result, eternal separation from Creator God.

Believers (sin wage paid by Jesus) will stand at the judgment seat of Christ (2 Cor 5:10). The discussion here is rewards, NOT, sin/judgment. Christ took their judgment & paying sins required wage. Even a drink of water given in His name will receive a reward (Matt 10:22)

Rev 22:12 Jesus said; behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

 

[ewq1938]

You missed one.

Nope. I covered that in number 2 plus the bodies of the saints weren't the first resurrection of a dead person in the NT:

2. the first bodily resurrection of a dead person being raised back to life in the NT.

 

[keras]

What is carefully avoided here, is the fact that the only people resurrected when Jesus Returns; will be the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years of this age.
The rest of the dead; everyone whos has ever lived, await the GWT Judgment - AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:4-5

The whole theory of going to heaven; pre, mid or post the Return, is false and will never happen.

 

[ewq1938]

What is carefully avoided here, is the fact that the only people resurrected when Jesus Returns; will be the martyrs killed during the final 3 1/2 years of this age.
The rest of the dead; everyone whos has ever lived, await the GWT Judgment - AFTER the Millennium. Revelation 20:4-5

That's incorrect. While Revelation 20 only focuses upon those beheaded saints, we know from other scripture that all the dead in Christ rise at that same timeframe:

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

As you can see, the dead in Christ will be brought with Him.


1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:


This isn't just some of them but all the dead in Christ.


1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Same order of events mentioned here:

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And of course the resurrection of the dead in Christ happens slightly before the rapture. All within the second coming timeframe. The only dead that aren't resurrected at this time are "the rest of the dead" who resurrect and come from dark, bad places like hell and the grave as per Revelation 20. No saved person is still dead at that time. Only the unsaved make up that second resurrection.

 

[ewq1938]

The whole theory of going to heaven; pre, mid or post the Return, is false and will never happen.

Also not correct. Those who are raptured are raptured to the 1st heaven which is the clouds of the Earth. It is correct to say they are not raptured to the 2nd or 3rd heaven however.

 

[grafted branch]

Nope. I covered that in number 2 plus the bodies of the saints weren't the first resurrection of a dead person in the NT:

2. the first bodily resurrection of a dead person being raised back to life in the NT.

So Lazarus was resurrected in what is considered the New Testament in our Bibles but the new covenant didn’t start until after Christs death (Hebrews 9:15-17).

So I personally would place the widows son and Lazarus in the old covenant; Christ as the first resurrection in the new covenant and the first literal bodily resurrection of many people in the new covenant occurring in Matthew 27:52-53.

 

[Freedm]

Rev 20 speaks of two groups of the dead that resurrect/live again.

The first resurrection is the resurrection of this first group of the dead because they resurrect first. The rest have to wait for their resurrection:

"the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" (Rev 20:5)

This is the last resurrection of those who are dead. One group resurrected and "the rest" or the remaining ones did not resurrect when the others did.

This proves they partake of the second resurrection also known as the last resurrection because no one is still physically dead after they "live again". This proves without a doubt that there are two separate days of resurrections separated by a thousand years and how long that actually is doesn't matter.

The first group resurrects before the thousand years begins and the second/last group resurrects after the end of the thousand years.

I agree with this, however, there are a couple of other important questions that come from this.

1. When was the first resurrection?
2. Who are these "dead" that are resurrected?

I'll tell you what I think. The dead are all those who died before Jesus was resurrected, in other words all the people of the OT. The reason they needed a resurrection is because they actually died (unlike believers today who will never die). Those OT people returned to the dust of the earth, as God said they would. They "slept with their fathers" waiting for the resurrection, which is Jesus.

So of that entire group of people who died in the OT, I believe only the righteous were resurrected in the first century. The wicked will have to wait until after the thousand years have ended. In the meantime, those of us who've accepted Jesus today will never die and will literally be transformed into spiritual beings when our physical bodies die, unlike the OT saints who had to sleep in the dust of the earth, we go directly into the spiritual realm.

 

[ewq1938]

So Lazarus was resurrected in what is considered the New Testament in our Bibles but the new covenant didn’t start until after Christs death (Hebrews 9:15-17).

That's true but I also covered the first resurrection of the OT in number 1. The only one I did leave out was when a Christian raised someone from the dead, that would be their first resurrection ie: the first dead person they laid hands on and they came back to life. I might add that to the list but it's kinda wordy.

So I personally would place the widows son and Lazarus in the old covenant;

Right....there's lots of resurrections in the OOT and NT but remember the list is trying to speak of the "first" of them. So, the OT would have only one first time someone was resurrected from the dead, same with the NT.

Christ as the first resurrection in the new covenant and the first literal bodily resurrection of many people in the new covenant occurring in Matthew 27:52-53.

The first mass bodily resurrection is definitely something I need to add to the list!