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Universal Reconciliation
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claninja
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Matthew 16:27-28
"For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
Correct me if I'm wrong, so you are saying that the event in v27 is the end of the world (very similar to sheep and goats/wheat and tares), but v28 is the transfiguration?
These verses seem to imply that some of those standing with Jesus (his audience's generation) will not taste death before Jesus comes in his kingdom, with his angels in the glory of his father to repay every man for his works.
Right before Matthew 10:23, the verses in Matthew 10:16-23
speak of the disciples going out as sheep among wolves (great commission). They will be persecuted and brought before governors and counsels for testimony, but they should not worry what to say, for the Holy Spirit will speak. Brothers, fathers, children, and parents shall betray one another unto death. Then in v23, when persecuted they shall flee to the next city to preach the gospel, for they will have not gone through all the of the cities of Israel before the son of man comes.
These verses correlate perfectly with Mark 13:9-13, Matthew 24:9-14, and Luke 21:10-19.
These events take place after the death and resurrection of Christ, but before and leading up to the temple destruction.
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claninja
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So you are reading it this way, correct me if I am wrong: "For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. 28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death before they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
The son of man is to come into his glory (transfiguration) and then at some future point not necessarily right after the transfiguration, will repay every man for what he has done. The "some of his audience (disciples)" will not taste death before they see the transfiguration. This only refers to the "coming in his glory" or the "transfiguration", and not that they will not taste death before seeing Him repay for every man for what he has done.
I definitely can agree with this interpretation as a possibility.
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claninja
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If heaven and earth have not passed away, then we are still under the old testament covenant, and Christ as not yet fulfilled the OT law and prophets. Matthew 5:18, "For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."
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claninja
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Oh, so Jesus wasn't really saying they wouldn't taste death before they saw Jesus coming into his kingdom. He really meant they wouldn't die before they saw a picture of what it would be like for when Jesus would come into his kingdom. hmmm....I don't know about that.
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claninja
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The Jews were expecting the Romans to be overthrown by the messiah and a physical kingdom to be enacted on earth. Just as in the previous chapter (john 17), Christ states the apostles are not of this world. That does not mean they are not in the world. The kingdom of God is one that is not just external, but also internal. The kingdom of heaven is not something that starts once we die. It is already here.
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claninja
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The desolating sacrilege happens when armies surround Jerusalem. So you are saying this is about a future time and not when the roman armies sieged (literally surround) Jerusalem in the Jewish Roman war. I highly suggest looking up the Jewish Roman war.
So you are saying Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 have nothing to do with the temple destruction in 70AD? it's about the future destruction of a 3rd temple?
The desolating sacrilege happens when armies surround Jerusalem. So you are saying this is about a future time and not when the roman armies sieged (literally surround) Jerusalem in the Jewish Roman war. I highly suggest looking up the Jewish Roman war.
So you are saying Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 have nothing to do with the temple destruction in 70AD? it's about the future destruction of a 3rd temple?
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