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Universal Background Checks: If you are opposed, why?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by wing2000, Jan 12, 2013.

  1. seeking Christ

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    Is one armed person in a school of 7000 + sufficient?

    What if there are only 2000 students?

    What if there are only 600 students? That's the smallest school I ever went to, and a shooter coming in anywhere other than the main door would've been plenty far enough away from the Principal to shoot all the kids on a class or two before the Principal could've possibly arrived at that scene. I don't think that's enough of a deterrent to be effective.

    How bout a goal of at least 30% of staff armed, but make sure they're qualified first? Start with a voluntary basis and see what turns up?
     
  2. Merope

    Merope Well-Known Member

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    That would quickly teach people not to burgle. After all if the solution to gun violence is to have more guns then the solution to WMDs is to make sure everyone is armed with them. Mutually assured destruction and all that. :thumbsup:
     
  3. wing2000

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    ...so while a vast majority of Americans (90 Percent) support Universal Background checks, not one of the eight GOP members of the Senate Judiciary Committee voted for a background check bill today.

     
  4. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Answer:

    "The version of background check bill passed on party lines Tuesday but senators said it will be replaced on the Senate floor by a version developed by a bipartisan trio of senators."

    Senate panel passes two gun-control measures
     
  5. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    We'll see if that happens...but thanks for the link.
     
  6. Jeffwhosoever

    Jeffwhosoever Faithful Servant Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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  7. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    90 percent of Americans are idiots then, if that's not a bogus stat.

    Because, among other things like gun control being a very partisan issue, the bill is horrible. This isn't just a private sales ban and de facto registration, this is an "imprison legal gun owners for innocent behavior" bill. This bill covers just about any "transfer" of a gun, not just sales.

    Under this Intolerable Act, you couldn't let a friend borrow a gun to go shooting, you couldn't even have your gun in his trunk if you drove to the range separetly,(and people go shooting other places than established ranges. I wonder if letting someone else shoot your gun on BLM land would be illegal under this?) and you'd better not go on vacation or business trips for more than a week or that's an illegal transfer to your roommates, and God help you if you lose a gun on a hunting/camping trip and can't fill out the lost/stolen forms within 24 hours.

    This bill is just about harassing legal gun owners.
     
  8. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    My, what a big imagination we have.

    Signed,
    Idiot who supports Universal Background Checks.
     
  9. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    Not my imagination, that's what the bill says.

    "(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to—

    (A) bona fide gifts between spouses, between parents and their children, between siblings, or between grandparents and their grandchildren;
    (B) a transfer made from a decedent’s estate, pursuant to a legal will or the operation of law;

    (C) a temporary transfer of possession that occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unlicensed transferee, if —
    (i) the temporary transfer of possession occurs in the home or curtilage of the unlicensed transferor;
    (ii) the firearm is not removed from that home or curtilage during the temporary transfer; and
    (iii) the transfer has a duration of less than 7 days; and

    (D) a temporary transfer of possession without transfer of title made in connection with lawful hunting or sporting purposes if the transfer occurs—
    (i) at a shooting range located in or on premises owned or occupied by a duly incorporated organization organized for conservation purposes or to foster proficiency in firearms and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the premises of the shooting range;
    (ii) at a target firearm shooting competition under the auspices of or approved by a State agency or nonprofit organization and the firearm is, at all times, kept within the premises of the shooting competition; and
    (iii) while hunting or trapping, if—
    (I) the activity is legal in all places where the unlicensed transferee possesses the firearm;
    (II) the temporary transfer of possession occurs during the designated hunting season; and
    (III) the unlicensed transferee holds any required license or permit.

    (3) For purposes of this subsection, the term ‘transfer’—
    (A) shall include a sale, gift, loan, return from pawn or consignment, or other disposition; and
    (B) shall not include temporary possession of the firearm for purposes of examination or evaluation by a prospective transferee while in the presence of the prospective transferee."
     
  10. iluvatar5150

    iluvatar5150 Well-Known Member

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    I had to read that a few times to make sure I wasn't crazy. Are you sure you read that correctly, because you just proved yourself 100% wrong? The section you quoted lists all of the exemptions to the background checks, including temporary transfers of possession, which would be what would happen when you loan your friend your gun.

    -Dan.
     
  11. Blackguard_

    Blackguard_ Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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    "(C) a temporary transfer of possession that occurs between an unlicensed transferor and an unlicensed transferee, if —
    (i) the temporary transfer of possession occurs in the home or curtilage of the unlicensed transferor;
    (ii) the firearm is not removed from that home or curtilage during the temporary transfer; and"

    So no, you can't lend a friend a gun to go shooting.
     
  12. Flashlight

    Flashlight Senior Member

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    Forcing me to undergo a background check is saying that I am guilty until proven innocent.
     
  13. illudium_phosdex

    illudium_phosdex Insert witty title here.

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    Wrong question.
     
  14. The Woodsman

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    How do you define "unstable"? If a person ever seeks therapy or some sort of mental help, does that make them unstable? Would it make them unstable forever?

    I recently read a story about how a man in California had his guns taken away because his wife had once recieved treatment for mental issues. Does living in the same household as an "unstable" person disqualify you from owning a gun?
     
  15. Lucy Stulz

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    Yeah! I want to work for the CIA but they refuse to give me Q clearance until I submit to an invasive background check! It is unamerican!
     
  16. [serious]

    [serious] 'As we treat the least of our brothers...' RIP GA Supporter

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    That's the strangest argument I've ever seen.

    "Hey, we should check to see if someone has a record of drunk driving before we issue them a license."
    "but once you demonstrate that they don't have a history of drunk driving, what's to stop them from starting to drive drunk in the future?"
     
  17. mandelduke

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    ^_^
     
  18. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    Response I received from Senator Flake today to my email asking that he support Universal Background Checks:

    <excerpt>

    As you may know, I support the Second Amendment, and I do not believe our society needs more laws restricting gun ownership. What we really need is to do a better job of keeping guns out of the hands of those who should not have them, while ensuring that those who break existing laws are fully prosecuted.

    To that end, I do not support universal background checks, which would be extremely costly, create further delays for those eligible to buy guns, and apply to private transfers between family members, friends, neighbors, and even firearms passed down through wills. I do support making the existing background check system more effective in order to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

    ___________

    ....what good does it do to make the background check system more effective if one can simply go to a gun show to bypass it?

    Try again Senator.
     
  19. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    : )
     
  20. GarfieldJL

    GarfieldJL Regular Member

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    I'm against Universal Background checks because the current administration has demonstrated in my mind that they can't be trusted.

    Right now the NRA has more credibility than the entire DoJ.

    Fast & Furious ring any bells...
     
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